Thinking to (partially) sell my $DFEN (-0,02%) position. What do you think? Peace or ceasefire deal will have an significant impact on $DFEN (-0,02%) or $EUDF (-0,12%) in the short-, mid-, and/or long term?

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Thank you for your input, feedback is the only way to develop further. The result is an adjustment to my future portfolio structure, including savings plans.
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- 1.37 % VanEck Defense $DFEN (-0,02%)
I have recently started using a broad core-satellite strategy with ETFs, individual stocks, themes and crypto.
My portfolio is currently still being restructured. I want to have completed this by the end of Q4 2025.
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Strategy update
Hi all
here's some info on my strategy, it's core-satellite method
ETF's is the biggest part with
Core:
$VUSA (-0,88%) & $VEUR (-0,13%)
Satellite:
$ASWC (+0,03%) & $DFEN (-0,02%) as Defense investing, due to EU pulling 5% of GDP with 2030 target
$IGLN (+0,41%) for the gold exposure, minimizing downtrend when markets drop
$JEGP (-0,16%) to make use of market volatility as source of income
$TDIV (-0,72%) past performance is great, dividends of 3-4% always nice income
Individual stocks: mostly dividend stocks as we can deduct €240-region of dividend income of those indidual stocks, sadly not of ETF's.
$$KBC (-0,38%) is marked as pension plan. I do work for KBC and once a yearn i can buy stocks and deduct some of it from my taxes, also buying on cheaper prices.
$UNP (-2,16%) will be a good long-term hold as america is still the biggest, and with trump it should have some long-term growth in it.
$ARCAD (+0,96%) is a value play, aiming to sell around €58, but in meantime, giving dividend to deduct taxes.
$JNJ: (-0,31%) always good to have this one, great long-term hold and steady source of dividends
$ASML (+1,67%) : love this stock, it's a monopoly and is growing strongly, keeping this as long as i like the progress

🧠 Opinion sought: Defense ETFs as a strategic portfolio component? ($DFNS)
Hello everyone,
I have been looking more closely at allocating to thematic sector ETFs for some time now - particularly with regard to long-term geopolitical trends, government spending cycles and strategic diversification.
The VanEck Defense UCITS ETF ($DFEN (-0,02%)
) is now available with over 5 bn € AUM one of the largest and fastest growing defense ETFs in Europe.
I personally find the construct - physical replication, ESG screening (no exposure to controversial weapons), broad geographical diversification (USA, EU, Israel, South Korea) - quite interesting. TER of 0.55% is reasonable.
💡 My view - Pro:
- Defense spending is rising structurally in many industrialized countries → long-term tailwind
- Hardly any correlation with traditional consumer or tech sectors → Diversification
- Many holdings benefit not only from military business, but also from aerospace, cybersecurity and dual-use technologies
⚖️ But there are also cons:
- Political risks (export bans, ESG pressure from institutional investors)
- Lack of transparency of some sources of income (civil/military not always clearly separable)
- Possible overvaluation after the strong run since 2023?
📊 Question for you:
➡️ How do you rate the defense sector in general - as a strategic component of a diversified long-term portfolio?
➡️ Do you think $DFEN is a sensible vehicle - or too niche / cyclical?
I'm looking forward to hearing your views - especially from those who deal with sector ETFs, geopolitical trends or ethical issues themselves.
Thank you 🙌

Just my assessment - and maybe you are doing everything right and there is some kind of armor super cycle. :)
Defense
as EU is going to push 5% coming years, i'll be adding to my new buy
targetting 5% of total portfolio size
New addition away from Novo...
...after everything here is full of Novo and I really hit the jackpot at the ATH (buy price around 115€...), I have a new entry in the pharma / medical sector :)
My investment strategy is generally "long" and the savings plans have also been adjusted:
- $VWRL (-0,45%) 300€ p.M.
- $BTC (+0,21%) 100€ p.m.
- $1810 (-0,6%) 150€ p.m.
- $489 (-1,6%) 50€ p.m.
- $DFEN (-0,02%) 150€ p.m.
- $1211 (-0,26%) 150€ p.m.
- $175 (+1,87%) 50€ p.m.
- $RTX (-1,4%) 50€ p.m.
- $RKLB (+5,42%) 50€ p.m.
- $ASML (+1,67%) 100€ p.m.
- $SHL (-0,1%) 480€ p.m.
- Gold 50€ p.m.
So total investment per month is 1680€ / savings rate per month.
Apart from that, I still hold around 5k in cash at the moment (watchlist is filled with Google and various other stocks).
I would be happy to receive feedback and wish you a nice weekend :)
LG
Wisdom Tree European Defense ETF 🇪🇺- Alternative to US-heavy defense ETFs
Minimizing the US cluster risk is currently a major topic for investors. It is perhaps even THE topic since the second Trump administration has been throwing tariffs and isolationist positions around.
As part of an incipient reallocation in the portfolio $DFEN (-0,02%) and $ASWC (+0,03%) recently, but was bothered by the high proportion of US shares and the heavy weighting of Blackbox $PLTR (-2,66%) among others.
Today I stumbled across the recently launched ETF from WisdomTree, which compiles purely European defense companies: $IE0002Y8CX98 (-0,12%)
Some quick raw data:
Listed for the first time on 3/4/2025
TER: 0.4% p.a.
Physical
Accumulating
WKN: A40Y9K
IE0002Y8CX98
Largest positions:
Rheinmetall (approx. 20%) $RHM (+1,29%) 🇩🇪
Leonardo (approx. 15%) $LDO (-0,25%) 🇮🇹
Saab (approx. 10%) $SAAB B (+0,27%) 🇸🇪
BAE (approx. 10%) $BAE (+0%) 🇬🇧
Thales (approx. 9%) $THALES (-0,25%) 🇫🇷
This investor will reallocate a little. He is not giving investment advice, but rather enjoying the diversity of Europe. 🇪🇺
Sources:
https://www.wisdomtree.eu/en-gb/etfs/thematic/wdef---wisdomtree-europe-defence-ucits-etf---eur-acc
https://www.wisdomtree.eu/en-gb/strategies/european-defence
https://www.justetf.com/de/etf-profile.html?isin=IE0002Y8CX98#chart

"USA has technologies that Europe doesn't have": Rheinmetall CEO advocates transatlantic partnership
Hello everyone, the last few days there has been a lot of talk here about the new European Defense ETF. Now the Rheinmetall CEO is talking about the fact that the US defense industry is indispensable.
$RHM (+1,29%)
$IE0002Y8CX98 (-0,12%)
$DFEN (-0,02%)
According to Papperger, CEO of Rheinmetall, Europe cannot currently replace the USA in the defense sector. Papperger spoke out in favor of continuing the transatlantic partnership in the field of armaments as well.
13.03.2025
Speaking on Deutschlandfunk radio, the Rheinmetall CEO said that the USA has very special technologies in the field of weapons technology that Europe does not have at the moment. Complete independence from the USA would cost Europe a great deal. He did not believe that politicians wanted that. Papperger advocated seeking talks with US President Trump. He asked: "Do we really want to destroy the transatlantic partnership?" That is not possible. The USA is currently the leading nation in the world and we need to find sensible ways of dealing with it.
Turnover up 36 percent, profit increases by 61 percent
Rheinmetall manufactures tanks, artillery, military trucks, air defense systems, drones and ammunition. The company now generates 80 percent of its consolidated sales with military goods; business as an automotive supplier is becoming less important. The Group presented its corporate figures for the past year yesterday in Düsseldorf. According to the figures, turnover increased by 36 percent to around 9.8 billion euros. Profits increased by 61 percent to around 1.5 billion euros, the highest level in the company's history.

Wave of upgrades, being there is everything
Hello everyone, over the last few days I have been wondering which company could benefit the most from the enormous investments in armaments. Which company is still reasonably fairly valued and where might it still be worth entering?
However, as I have realized that there is not just one company, the question arises as to whether I should add the whole bouquet to my portfolio.
In my search for the bouquet, I looked for an index. And I came across the
MarketVector Global Defense Industry Index
came across. The MarketVector Global Defense Industry Index provides access to companies worldwide that are active in the military or defense industry.
During my further research, I then came across the
VanEck Defense UCITS ETF A. $DFEN (-0,02%) I came across the VanEck Defense UCITS ETF A.
The VanEck Defense UCITS ETF A is the only ETF that replicates the MarketVector Global Defense Industry Index. The ETF replicates the performance of the index through full replication (purchase of all index components). The dividend income in the ETF is accumulated (reinvested in the ETF).
The VanEck Defense UCITS ETF A is a very large ETF with a fund volume of EUR 2,979 million. The ETF was launched in Ireland on March 31, 2023.
Now my question would be to the ETF experts in the community.
What do you think of this ETF?
The TER (total expense ratio) of the ETF is 0.55% p.a. Is it worth these costs, there are also cheaper defense ETFs.
USA 59.33%
France 10.60%
Italy 6.84%
South Korea 4.95%
Israel 4.10%
Singapore 3.22%
Great Britain 3.05
Germany 1.09%
Other countries
The high proportion of US companies could be a disadvantage. However, when I look at the US companies, I see less of a disadvantage.
With 8.53% Palantir, the ETF offers a good opportunity to continue playing the hand and minimize the risk of the high valuation a little.
Palantir Technologies, Inc. 8.53%
Thales SA 8.07%
Booz Allen Hamilton Hldg 7.80%
Leidos Holdings 7.68%
Leonardo SpA 6.84%
Curtiss-Wright 6.78%
BWX Technologies 5.13%
CACI International 4.28%
Elbit Systems 4.10%
SAAB 3.84
The US stocks may even have an advantage now, because they have taken a beating in recent weeks. And should now slowly start to pick up again. As you can already see today
$CACI (+2,51%) and $BAH (-1,3%) recognizable today.
@Memo0606 Perhaps an alternative to Caci!
Furthermore, I still see potential in European stocks. Because Europeans want to pick these companies and it has only just begun.
I also like the fact that through the ETF you can invest in
HANWHA AEROSPA.CO (South Korea)
because unfortunately this is difficult as an individual investment.
Overview of returns
Current year +15.66%
1 month +7.15%
3 months +12.64%
6 months +37.51%
1 year +45.26%
3 years -
5 years -
Since inception (MAX) +117.66%
2024 +52,70%
Please tell me your opinion on my thesis, I look forward to your comments.
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The most important European defense companies: Top 10 and stock valuation
A little update on current events: I took a look at the largest defense companies in Europe and thought it might be of interest to you.
So here's a brief overview of the ten most important players - with a few basics about the companies, their figures (turnover, valuation, etc.) and an assessment of how much potential they still have.
These companies are currently the focus of the armaments boom and are very popular with many investors.
➡️ BAE Systems (UK) $BA. (+0,81%) - British defense technology
- P/E RATIO (P/E): approx. 21.7 on a trailing basis; expected ~19.4 (2025e)
- P/E RATIO (P/S): approx. 1.60 current; expected ~1.37 (2025e)
- Dividend yield: ~2.2 % (annual dividend ~31 pence)
- Share price (March 2025): ~£14.07 (approx. €16)
- Market capitalization~£42 billion
- Outlook: Solid sales growth (~+5% expected for 2025)
- Analysts mostly with Buy-recommendation (11 buy, 5 hold, 1 sell)
📈 Rating:
BAE Systems appears to be fairly valued at the current fairly valued to slightly favorable. The P/E ratio in the low 20s already reflects good business figures, but is in line with the industry as a whole
In view of rising defense spending and a solid order situation, moderate growth is expected, which underpins the valuation. The share is therefore considered neither highly overpriced nor a bargain - with slight upside potential. upside potential thanks to sustained demand in the defense sector.
➡️ Airbus (Defense & Space, EU)
$AIR (-1,53%) - European aerospace group
- P/E RATIO (P/E): ~30.9 current; expected ~24.9 (2025e)
- P/E RATIO (P/S): ~1.89 current; expected ~1.73 (2025e)
- Dividend yield: ~1.5 % (incl. special dividend; regular ~1.1 %)
- Share price: ~165 €
- Market capitalization: ~131 bn €
- Outlook: Civil and military aircraft demand high; 2025 delivery target raised
- Analyst consensus positive (price targets ø ~€182, ~+10% upside)
📈 Valuation:
Airbus is primarily rated as fair to slightly fair to slightly demanding valuation is seen as fair to slightly demanding. The high current P/E ratio ~31 reflects pandemic-related earnings weakness, but should fall significantly in 2025.
At a P/E ratio of ~1.8, the sales valuation is moderate. As production and profits are likely to increase in the coming years, the share appears reasonably valued. Greater share price potential depends on growth (e.g. higher jet deliveries); if this is successfully realized, the valuation could prove to be justified be justified.
➡️ Leonardo S.p.A. (Italy)
$LDO (-0,25%) - Italian defense and aerospace group
- P/E RATIO (P/E): ~22.5 current; expected ~20.6 (2025e)
- P/E RATIO (P/S): ~1.35 current; expected ~1.17 (2025e)
- Dividend yield: ~0.7 % (share price € 38.56, dividend € 0.28)
- Share price: ~38-39 €; Market capitalization: ~21 bn €
- Outlook: Strong order situation due to defense technology (market cap. +100 % in 12 months)
- Analysts see further upside potential; earnings estimates moderately rising (double-digit sales margins).
📈 Valuation:
Leonardo appears favorably valued compared to the industry favorably to fairly valued. With a P/E ratio of around 20 and a P/E ratio of ~1.3, the valuation is below that of many Western European peers. The low dividend yield reflects a strategy focused more on reinvestment.
In view of double-digit growth (share price +~100 % YoY), there could still be upside potential upside potential if margins continue to rise. Overall, the moderate valuation level suggests that Leonardo is rather slightly undervalued provided that growth in defense electronics and aerospace continues.
➡️ Thales S.A. (France) $THALES (-0,25%) - Defense Electronics, Aeronautics & Security
- P/E RATIO (P/E): ~28.5 current; expected ~24.3 (2025e)
- P/E RATIO (P/S): ~2.0 current; expected ~1.9 (2025e)
- Dividend yield: ~1.8 % (rising towards ~2 % expected)
- Share price: ~197,7 €
- Market capitalization: ~39 bn €
- Outlook: Solid sales growth (orders in defense and cybersecurity). 2024/25 profit increase expected (forward P/E <25)
- Analysts mostly positive (stable business areas, diversification).
📈Valuation:
With a P/E ratio close to 28, Thales is listed at the upper end of the industry scale, but this is partly justified by the stable earnings situation and growth in the civil electronics business. The P/E ratio of ~2 signals that investors are paying slightly more for sales than for pure defense companies - a premium for the profitable cyber/digital business. Overall, the share appears fairly valuedalthough not cheap.
Since Thales, as a broad-based technology group, is benefiting from rising defense budgets, the current valuation seems justifiable; there is further growth potential. growth potential growth potential exists, but larger share price gains are likely to be linked to higher-than-expected earnings growth.
➡️ Rheinmetall AG (Germany)
$RHM (+1,29%) - Vehicle and weapon systems, ammunition
- P/E RATIO (P/E)very high, ~76.9 current (TTM); expected ~51.8 (2025e)
- (current profits depressed by investments).
- P/E RATIO (P/S): ~4.95 current; expected ~4.37 (2025e)
- Dividend yield: only ~0.6 % (5.70 € div. / share price ~1006 €)
- Share price: ~1.040 €; Market capitalization~44 bn €
- Outlook: Extraordinary sales growth expected - forecast for 2025 raised to € 11-12 bn sales (compared to ~€ 7 bn in 2023)
- Investors have already strongly priced in this expectation (share price > €1000; +≈50% in 6 months)
📈Valuation:
After the rapid rise in the share price, Rheinmetall appears very ambitiously valued. Although the current P/E ratio (>75) is not very meaningful due to extraordinary costs, even the forward P/E ratio of around 52 signals high expectations
The low dividend yield and P/E ratio of ~5 underline that the share is already anticipating a major future jump in sales and earnings. If Rheinmetall achieves its optimistic growth targets (keyword: special assets of the German armed forces, NATO orders), the key figures could fall in the future. Until then, however, the share is considered overvalued - Investors are paying a high price for the growth potential. The upside potential is therefore subject to risks; setbacks in major orders could lead to corrections.
➡️ Dassault Aviation (France) $DAU - Fighter aircraft (Rafale) & business jets
- P/E RATIO (P/E): ~24.1 current; expected ~21.4 (2025e)
- P/E RATIO (P/S): ~3.8 current; expected ~3.2 (2025e)
- Dividend yield: ~1.37 % (div. € 3.37 at share price ~€ 246)
- Share price: ~249 €
- Market capitalization: ~19 billion €
- Outlook: Increasing export demand for Rafale jets and growing business with private jets. Analysts expect profit growth in the coming years (P/E ratio declining <22). Participation in Thales provides strategic added value.
📈Valuation:
Dassault Aviation appears to be moderately valued. The current P/E ratio of ~24 is in the mid-range and the company has little debt, which puts the higher P/E ratio (~3.8) into perspective. Investors are paying a premium for the high net cash position and future major orders (fighter jets).
Overall, the share is considered fairly valued - neither obviously undervalued nor too expensive. In view of the stable margins and special role (high-end military aircraft), a slightly higher sales multiple is justifiable. The growth potential (e.g. through defense projects and new Falcon business jets) could provide medium-term share price momentum without the valuation getting out of hand.
➡️ Saab AB (Sweden)
$SAAB B (+0,27%) - Defense systems, aircraft (Gripen) & security
- P/E RATIO (P/E): ~40.9 current; expected ~32.0 (2025e)
- P/E RATIO (P/S): ~2.7 current; expected ~2.3 (2025e)
- Dividend yield: ~0.7 % (estimate) - Saab pays out small amounts every six months due to dividends.
- Share price~320 SEK (Swedish krona);
- Market capitalizationSEK ~173 bn (approx. € 15-16 bn)
- OutlookStrong order backlog (e.g. fighter aircraft, submarines). For 2025, 12-16% organic sales growth is forecast with disproportionately high EBIT growth. Analysts mostly Buy (5 Buy, 2 Hold) - they are counting on a catch-up effect in margins.
📈Valuation:
Saab is currently quite highly valuedwhich reflects the future opportunities. A P/E ratio of ~41 is above average for defense companies and signals that current profits are (still) low - in fact, Saab invests heavily in development, which squeezes margins. The price/sales ratio of ~2.7, on the other hand, is roughly comparable with other aerospace companies. Should the envisaged double-digit growth materialize and profitability increase, the valuation will be put into perspective (forward P/E ~32).
However, the company is currently paying an advance on future profits, so that Saab is rather slightly overvalued is slightly overvalued. The growth potential (in particular through higher defence spending in Scandinavia and new Gripen export orders) is high - if it is realized, the valuation should return to a normal range in a few years.
➡️ Rolls-Royce Holdings (UK) $RR. (-0,16%) - Engines for civil aviation & military, energy
- P/E RATIO (P/E)~25 (TTM) according to current share price; profits are returning after years of losses.
- P/E RATIO (P/S)~3.3 (based on Feb. 2025)
- Dividend yield: 0 % (dividend suspended since 2020)
- Share price: ~£6.20 (approx. €7.35; equivalent to ~$9.35)
- Market capitalization: ~$79.5 billion (≈ £52 billion)
- Outlook: Turnaround underway - profit growth expected again from 2025 after restructuring. Analysts are optimistic (12 Buy, 3 Hold, 1 Sell) and see long-term upside potential of ~5% above current levels. High debt remains a risk, but commercial engine maintenance contracts and defense division provide cash flow.
📈Valuation:
After the share price multiplier in 2023 (share price +~245 % in 2023), Rolls-Royce is now no longer clearly undervalued. The P/E ratio of ~25 looks moderate, but it should be borne in mind that this is based on the recently positive earnings - margins are still low.
The sales valuation at approx. 3.3 times sales is in the midfield between classic defense and civil aircraft manufacturers. Without a dividend and with a debt burden, Rolls must first prove that the turnaround is sustainable. Overall, the share is currently fair to slightly overvalued as there is a lot of future potential (e.g. new generations of engines, small modular reactors) in the share price. If the hoped-for jump in profits is achieved in the next few years, Rolls-Royce could catch up further - however, the current upside potential is rather limited. limitedas long as tangible results are awaited.
➡️ Safran S.A. (France)
$SAF (-0,96%) - Engines (e.g. CFM), aviation supplier
- P/E RATIO (P/E): n/a (TTM negative - recent loss or special effect); to 2025e about ~31.7
- P/E RATIO (P/S): ~3.76 current; expected ~3.35 (2025e)
- Dividend yield: ~1.7% (dividend ~€3.50 p.a.)
- Share price: ~255 €
- Market capitalization: ~102 bn €
- Outlook: Safran suffered from one-off costs in 2024 (engine issue), but expects solid profits again. 2025 earnings per share should increase significantly (P/E normalized ~32).
- Analysts are divided: ~13 Buy, 6 Hold, 1 Sell - the majority see further share price potential, as Safran benefits in the long term as a high-quality supplier (duopoly with GE in aircraft engines).
📈Valuation:
Safran appears distorted by the disclosure of a loss (negative TTM P/E ratio), in fact the share is highly valued on the basis of the underlying earnings power. A forward P/E ratio of over 30 and P/E ratio close to 4 are well above the sector average, which anticipates the market position and growth opportunities (increasing aircraft production, maintenance business). The dividend yield is relatively low at <2%.
Overall, Safran is probably rather overvalued investors are paying a premium for quality and market position. The growth potential (recovery in aviation, new engine programs) does exist, but is largely priced into the share price. Setbacks could ease the valuation somewhat; in the long term, however, Safran remains an expensive but very solid value.
➡️ Hensoldt AG (Germany) $HAG (+0,31%) - Specialist for sensor and radar technology
- P/E RATIO (P/E)extremely high (TTM >400) due to low profits; forward P/E 2025e approx. 36-37
- P/E RATIO (P/S): ~3.0 currently
- Dividend yield: ~0.7 % (expected dividend € 0.40)
- Share price: ~52 €; Market capitalization: ~6 bn €
- Outlook: In high demand as an electronics supplier to the German armed forces (radar, night vision, avionics). Incoming orders from the German special fund and NATO programs will increase sales significantly in the coming years. However, Hensoldt is still in the start-up phase - profit margins are only expected to increase significantly in the medium term.
📈Valuation:
After a sharp rise in the share price, Hensoldt is clearly expensive. The current P/E ratio is hardly reasonable (triple-digit due to special effects in the balance sheet); even on a forward basis, it is in the high 30s, which is high even for high-growth tech stocks.
Investors are therefore paying in advance for expected future profits. The KUV ~3 reflects the enormous sales growth, but is not low for a defense electronics specialist. The low dividend yield shows that profits are being retained. Overall, the share seems overvalued - the high momentum (+54 % last year) already largely prices in future growth. Although Hensoldt has excellent growth prospects (digitization of defence, networking), but these would first have to translate into significantly higher profits to justify the current valuation. An entry is therefore considered speculative, as setbacks are possible if expectations are not met.
👉 Conclusion:
Europe's largest defense companies are benefiting from the rearmament cycle, which is reflected in higher valuations in some cases. Undervalued Leonardo appears undervalued in this group (thanks to more favorable ratios), while established companies such as BAE, Airbus, Thales and Dassault are largely fairly valued. fairly valued appear to be fairly valued.
Stocks with a turnaround character (Rolls-Royce) or a high future share (Rheinmetall, Hensoldt, Safran, Saab) show higher multiples and tend to be considered overvalued. overvaluedas a lot of growth is anticipated.
The growth potential is high across the industry - higher defense budgets, technology purchases and retrofitting requirements are keeping order books full. The decisive factor for further share price increases will be whether companies can translate these growth opportunities into rising profits in order to put the ambitious valuations into perspective.
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