2Mon·

They want to abolish the tax exemption for Bitcoin and cryptos after a holding period of one year

It may not itch you, as you are not invested anyway. But after that comes gold & silver. Then comes real estate (10 years). Finally come watches, art, vintage cars, spirits, wines and everything else.

In 1999, the speculation period for securities was extended from 6 to 12 months by the SPD and the Greens. In 2009, it was completely abolished by the CDU and SPD and replaced by today's flat-rate withholding tax + solidarity surcharge. More than 14 million small investors and savers are affected by this today. The greedy state is hindering your prosperity and private pension provision.

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15 Comments

Ichbinak63@Ichbinak63

2Mon

It may be annoying, but I agree with you:
statutory pension,
* health insurance,
* infrastructure,
* security,
* care,
* education,
* and social security are not available for free and we are also the state that incurs costs. Reforms as quickly as possible.

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Zackdela79@Zackdela79

2Mon

@Ichbinak63 If it ended up there, it would still be ok. Under the current policy, however, it is more likely to be spent on further citizens' benefits, even more pointless social benefits for the non-performers in this country, some filthy NGOs or on Ukraine...

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Wiktor_06@Wiktor_06

2Mon

@Ichbinak63 This is an important point, but the distribution of the burden must be critically scrutinized. The fact is that demographic change has been known for over 30 years, yet real structural reforms have been largely neglected.
Instead, new debts are constantly being taken on, which the younger generation will have to pay off later, while at the same time they have less leeway for their own lifestyle or private pension provision due to high taxes.
A major problem is the political weighting: according to data on the demographic structure in Germany, over 50% of eligible voters are already over 50 years old. It is a well-known political paradox that governments tend to make patronage policies for the largest and most active group of voters, in this case the older generation. As a result, necessary but possibly unpopular reforms are postponed at the expense of younger people. However, making private provision more difficult through higher taxes deprives young people of the opportunity to make up for the shortcomings of the state systems on their own.

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Ichbinak63@Ichbinak63

2Mon

It's all subjective, these discussions have been going on for decades. As a boomer, I say we also had our battles to fight, are we now to blame for the fact that we worked 40 hours a week and more, had to fight our way through because there were lots of people but too few jobs, we went into apprenticeships at 16 across the board. The demographic change started with the pill crisis. In the mid-70s, women only had an average of 1.5 children. Nobody touched this hot potato. So today people cry out for the state as soon as things don't go well, everything is so, so bad. The opportunities for young people have become better and better, but people are trying to put their lifestyle above performance, in my opinion. Biology will also solve the boomer problem... because nobody lives indefinitely. And then there will be fewer pensioners again. So before many young people moan about what might happen in 50 years' time, do something for society first, because anyone who doesn't do that isn't behaving socially either. That's another way of looking at things

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Felix@Investor_in_Jogginghose

2Mon

@Ichbinak63 https://www.bundeshaushalt.de/DE/Bundeshaushalt-digital/bundeshaushalt-digital.html

Less than 20% of the budget goes to your first 5 points

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Ichbinak63@Ichbinak63

2Mon

@Investor_in_Jogginghose Well, pensions already make up 25% ... so social spending is just under 38% ... so everything is regulated by taxes. It's always been like that. Reforms have been needed for decades. We are living beyond our means.

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Markus@MarkusF

2Mon

KV and care I already pay over €1000 from my salary.

The existing taxes would be enough for the rest.

The state should make savings instead of systematically expropriating its citizens.

There should be reforms, but to reduce costs and burdens, not to increase them.
We could start by immediately withdrawing all benefits from those obliged to leave the country except for the return ticket.

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Ichbinak63@Ichbinak63

2Mon

Steep thesis with the expropriation, please examples for the systematic.... just funny that the state is us. We all vote and then complain when things don't go the way the individual human being wants them to ... oh dear. Reforms are necessary, no question about it, but hand on heart, the infantile citizen comes around the corner, but not with me, always saving the others. I'd rather live in a democracy, with its weaknesses, than under car cards. Look to the East, where a human life is worth nothing. The issue of deportees is a different one.

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Beavis Bilderpoop@KnifeCatcher

2Mon

@Ichbinak63 state pension isn't free - gotta pay 5k a year for it! i only have private pension, and my health insurance costs me 1300 a month so - also not free. what are you talking about?

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Ichbinak63@Ichbinak63

2Mon

Why should it be free in a welfare state? If you want private health insurance, then it's your decision. Statutory health insurance costs much less.

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