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Pure nostalgia values for me. I don't buy $7974 today because the Gameboy Color was cool 20 years ago.
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@DynasticGrind I thought so too, then suddenly the Wii came along, which was mega hype, the price exploded and the bill suddenly cost over 100 euros pre split
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@DynasticGrind What a witty comparison...
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@Johann_van_der_Smut That's right. Nintendo is even competitive compared to the companies mentioned here.
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@DynasticGrind You seem to be the type of person who bluntly adopts the naysaying about the German automotive industry from the media without having a clue and informing yourself. Tell me where Tesla and the Chinese are so far ahead of ours!
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@Johann_van_der_Smut E-mobility. Sales figures and value for money (unfortunately) speak for themselves. I have neither the time nor the money for "doom and gloom".
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@DynasticGrind Hardly anyone in this country or in Europe wants e-mobility except our Greens. You just have to understand that. Likewise, you can't compare the vehicles from BMW, Daimler etc. with every e-can from China (or a Tesla).
And price-performance ratio... it was and is not the claim of premium manufacturers to nail a car to everyone's knee for 20K just because many people don't want to spend more on it. It's always been that way, it will always be that way.
The Chinese government's subsidies to its own manufacturers Let's leave aside the Chinese government's subsidies to its own manufacturers to distort competition and wage a trade war. I think it's all getting too complicated
And price-performance ratio... it was and is not the claim of premium manufacturers to nail a car to everyone's knee for 20K just because many people don't want to spend more on it. It's always been that way, it will always be that way.
The Chinese government's subsidies to its own manufacturers Let's leave aside the Chinese government's subsidies to its own manufacturers to distort competition and wage a trade war. I think it's all getting too complicated
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@Johann_van_der_Smut I have to correct you again, "nobody in this country wants anything but the green ones" is pretty much nonsense, nobody wants to make suitable offers, because the margin is not right. That's why there are no cheap cars -> no mass market yet. It doesn't have much to do with "nobody wants", we are simply ultra-slow with everything new.
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@leveragegrinding I didn't say "...nobody wants except...". And no, it's not nonsense. Look at what customers order. It's being manufactured and sold.
BMW sold more BEVs in 2024 than Daimler and Audi combined. I'm not saying that everything has been done right. But this opinion mongering that all German manufacturers have done everything wrong on the subject is nonsense. But it's always claimed. Also that the others are all technically ahead of us Germans. Where, please? Tesla has been promising its FSD for years and what's the result? Nothing! Take a look at what stunts the cars in the USA are doing with this feature. You don't want that here!
BMW sold more BEVs in 2024 than Daimler and Audi combined. I'm not saying that everything has been done right. But this opinion mongering that all German manufacturers have done everything wrong on the subject is nonsense. But it's always claimed. Also that the others are all technically ahead of us Germans. Where, please? Tesla has been promising its FSD for years and what's the result? Nothing! Take a look at what stunts the cars in the USA are doing with this feature. You don't want that here!
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@Johann_van_der_Smut we must have been talking past each other😂😂
I fully agree with you, but I didn't question that either. The other thing the others have that we don't is optimism.
Take a look at the interview of the Porsche chief designer with the eauto Youtuber (you should find it on YouTube if you search)
I think it's extremely well summarized.
We just sell premium cars, which the German manufacturers (with the exception of bmw) have not adapted particularly well to the Chinese market. But now VW has a good strategy for a company of its size, and that is to buy it up. That's a good approach and in my view that's the mistake you can blame them for: they should have done it earlier.
Audi will come back in china, even now with the new model. Porsche anyway, Cupra Skoda and VW will consolidate Europe.
Springer Verlag should be sued for defamation of character.
I fully agree with you, but I didn't question that either. The other thing the others have that we don't is optimism.
Take a look at the interview of the Porsche chief designer with the eauto Youtuber (you should find it on YouTube if you search)
I think it's extremely well summarized.
We just sell premium cars, which the German manufacturers (with the exception of bmw) have not adapted particularly well to the Chinese market. But now VW has a good strategy for a company of its size, and that is to buy it up. That's a good approach and in my view that's the mistake you can blame them for: they should have done it earlier.
Audi will come back in china, even now with the new model. Porsche anyway, Cupra Skoda and VW will consolidate Europe.
Springer Verlag should be sued for defamation of character.
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•@leveragegrinding I'll take a look, thanks for the tip. The media are terrible, but they do make circulation. Just like war etc.
I'm just annoyed by those who just parrot everything, don't get a picture and then smugly pretend to know what's really going on. But for many people here, the German car industry is the enemy par excellence anyway. Just envy...
I'm just annoyed by those who just parrot everything, don't get a picture and then smugly pretend to know what's really going on. But for many people here, the German car industry is the enemy par excellence anyway. Just envy...
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