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Why domestic ETF providers are worth considering

In the increasingly globalized financial world, choosing the right ETF provider can be a challenging decision. While international providers often boast reputable brands and impressive product portfolios, there are compelling reasons to consider domestic ETF providers. These considerations range from supporting the local economy to alignment with personal values and potential cost benefits.


A comment from me as to why $AMUN (-0,84 %) , $HSBA (+0,46 %) or $DWS (+2,56 %) should sometimes be the better choice.

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1. Supporting the local economy

The first and perhaps most obvious reason to choose a local ETF provider is to support the local economy. By investing in ETFs managed by local providers, investors are not only supporting the growth and stability of domestic financial markets, but also local employment and innovation. Any domestic provider that can compete with international giants helps to strengthen the financial center and secure jobs. In addition, the administrative costs that investors pay flow directly back into the domestic economy instead of flowing abroad.


2. value-oriented investment decisions

Another aspect that is often overlooked is the value orientation of the investment strategy. Domestic ETF providers generally have a better feel for the cultural and economic characteristics of their country. They are more closely networked with local markets and companies and can offer products that are better tailored to the needs and values of domestic investors. This is often reflected in a greater consideration of sustainability criteria, social responsibility and governance principles that are important to local investors.


3. cost savings with comparable quality

Another compelling reason to choose domestic ETF providers is the potential cost benefits. International providers often have high marketing and distribution budgets, which is why domestic providers can often offer their products at a lower cost. Management fees and other costs are often lower as they do not have the same high overhead costs as international providers. In addition, the differences in quality are often minimal for products that are comparable in structure and investment objective. Domestic ETFs therefore often offer excellent value for money.


Potential disadvantages and trade-offs

Of course, there are also reasons that could speak against a domestic ETF provider. One example is a higher tracking error, while other investors may prefer ETFs based in Ireland or Luxembourg to take advantage of tax benefits. Brands such as BlackRock or Vanguard attract many investors as they offer large fund volumes and a broad product range.

However, it should be noted that the differences in quality between domestic and international providers are small, especially for financial products such as ETFs, which are often standardized and transparent.


Addendum

Of course, you shouldn't put yourself in a worse position just to choose a domestic product.


Addendum 2

By "domestic" here we mean Europe. It's not just about ETF domicile, but about the asset managers.


Cheers!

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I prefer $VWRL and $VWCE because it is more fun to have the ETF in Ireland than in Germany. What do I care about German ETF providers? Where does value creation take place here? Then I'd rather buy German products, that benefits the German economy more.
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@Reinecke People are reading that completely wrong. It's all about Europe and the split between Ireland and Luxembourg, not Germany. And the second part you can see however you want, the fact is that the profit is in Europe instead of the USA. Pretending that this has no effect is somehow harshly unrealistic.
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@Reinecke There are also German ETF providers based in Ireland. I myself also find the $WEBG as an accumulating version (ETF151) quite interesting. The provider, domicile and index are all from the EU (France, Ireland, Germany). The index has also performed somewhat better historically than the FTSE All-World. Doesn't say anything about the future, of course, but not against it either. It also has a significantly lower TER (0.07% instead of 0.22%). If it were a "purely" American, British or other ETF with the characteristics, I would find it irrelevant for the decision. The Europe point only has a bit of personal sympathy, but nothing more. But how the ETF performs (TD) remains to be seen. My pension gap is more important to me than making a barely measurable contribution to the financial center.
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@topicswithhead But that is very naive. A uniform tax policy would be needed in Europe for this to bear fruit. In addition, the reference to the balance sheet is still better than the national one. What use is it to me if the European provider knows every CEO by name if the US provider sets the rating to C- or levers the thing to a 5% short rate? Money is power and power is money. I also don't see the financial industry strengthening the domestic economy, it didn't work under socialism and it certainly won't under capitalism.
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@Reinecke Reiner I don't need to discuss much here it's math. You seem to have a strong belief in your investment and reject it for various reasons, but you are welcome to do the rough math. All you have to do is take the annual European inflows times a TER of a provider and see what the overall result would be. If you then make a comparison with what they have now, you can already see a decent gap. This is a milkman's calculation, but to include the economies of scale and other things here would be a bit much.
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@topicswithhead As a German, I'm quite comfortable with $VWRL and $VWCE... the important thing for me is where the money ends up. I don't give a shit if they have golden footpaths in Ireland. As a US citizen, I can also live quite well with the fact that I invest my income from Germany in my German securities account in the $VWRL and the $VWCE. I have completely different options with the US custody accounts anyway. Here I don't think nationally but actually globally.
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@Reinecke That's okay. But the money also comes to the USA with a DWS or Amundi ETF. It's just managed by a European. If you think that's a disadvantage, then stick with it. In the end, I said you shouldn't make yourself look worse just to have a domestic provider. You should consider it if it is cheaper and everything else fits.
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Thanks for the nice post and comments. Which ETF would you invest in @Reinecke? I'm new to the market and find it quite exciting at the moment. I have already thought about investing in domestic or European companies, but have no idea which ones. Perhaps the difficult part is simply overcoming the effort to invest an amount. There are so many providers. Do you have any tips?
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@portfolio_maestro_762 I have opted for a combination of All World and S&P500. In my case $VWRL + $VUAG in the other portfolio $VWCE. But here was a good tip for the $WEBG has a very low TER and is therefore actually better than the Vanguard products.
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@Reinecke there is now also the <security:n/a:IE0003XJA0J9> but it is still very new
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Thanks for the info. I still see just under 60% USA with this one. I have several savings plans on ETF's but only small amounts to familiarize myself a bit with the matter before I start.
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Actually every point you mentioned is bad for investor in Germany. And everything comes down to cost.
What you consider "supporting local economy " I see it as high TER just because you spent a lot to get a licence in Germany and now you need to recoup that somehow.

What you save in marketing ( according to your pt 3) you spend that or more in regulation and paperwork for Germany.
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@reach2ashish with home i mean Europe and your statement isn't really true. $WEBG is a example of a cheap ETf and many other form DWS or HSBC are available too. Like i said yo shouldn't really choose a home ETf if it is worse than the other one
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I would generally prefer NL domicile due to the pro rata solidarity surcharge tax savings. However, there are hardly any interesting ETFs with NL domicile. In my opinion, a top ETF is $TDIV.
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I also tried it once when I was starting out here, in the meantime I was a Nazi. But I admit, I didn't write it as objectively as you did, but rather provocatively. I am pro domestic economy! I have now switched from FTSE All-World to Amundi ACWI Dist ;-).
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@PalmPirateTechnocrate Well, I'm only in favor of it if the products are the same and only the provider is different. I wouldn't pay extra for it now. Amundi has many good and cheap ETFs. The ACWI is not one of them. If you want a cheaper one, let me know. For example, they have the $WEBG which is very cheap and is even based on the Frankfurt provider Solactive
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@topicswithhead I saw you've already switched to it 👍
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@topicswithhead The plan seems to be working ;-). I'm still keeping the SPDR ACWI IMI in mind, because it has small caps and they usually run when the normal S&P500 takes a dive. BUT.... I'll take the Amundi ACWI Dist for the next 1 - 2 years and we'll see. Too bad it only pays out once in December. The first 2 tranches have been executed. There will be some more until the end of the year, then I will have "switched completely".
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@PalmPirateTechnocrate there is now also an acc from $WEBG the <security:n/a:IE0003XJA0J9>
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@topicswithhead Thanks for the tip. However, I only use distributing ETFs, as I get at least some distribution in the event of a correction. That motivates me! That's why.
I would choose amundi as an etf provider if they had a quarterly distributing world etf xD
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Where are the Vanguard people who are about to explain to me why cooperatives are cool, which, by the way, only apply in the USA?
@topicswithhead I now save with Invesco etf but good xD:
Even if only US investors *actively* benefit from it, the fact is and remains that it is not a company whose goal is only profit at any price but to offer their product to their customers (who are also the owners) at the best price aka cost price. This can be seen by the fact that vanguard is lowering its TER and will probably lower it even more in the future (as they have overtaken Blackrock) as more and more investors are choosing vanguard...
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