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Warte mal Chinas Reaktion ab! 😈
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@Epi ich befürchte auch, dass da nochmal ein ordentlicher Knüppel auf dir Autobauer wartet. Aber daher versteh ich grad den Aufschwung nicht...ist ja absehbar dass es ein backlash geben wird
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@VanillaGorilla Die momentanen China-Aufschwünge sind ja oft nur kurz, siehe LVMH.
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@Epi China will just remove it's investment from Western countries such as Spain and Italy ( which voted for the tariffs ) and impose heavy tariffs on European products.
in 2023 China weighted for 8.8% of EU exports and 20.5% of its imports. EU here have more to loose than win.
In 2023, EU exports to China of manufactured goods (88 %) had a much higher share than primary goods (11 %). The most exported manufactured goods were machinery & vehicles (51 %), followed by other manufactured goods (19 %) and chemicals (18 %).
In 2023, EU imports from China of manufactured goods (97 %) also had a much higher share than primary
goods (3 %). The most imported manufactured goods were machinery & vehicles (57 %), followed by other manufactured goods (31 %) and chemicals (8 %).
EU just shot itself in the foot to save a car industry that, let's be honest, isn't that great nor competitive anymore outside of the Luxury Car sector.
I'm not interested in acquiring a BYD car, I'm more into Japanese stuff honestly, even if I'm curious to just try one, but I'm definitely not interested in a Volkswagen or an Audi or a Peugeot / Renault.... Either too expansive, or lack of tech outside of the many payable options, sometimes heavy drinker of fuel, or requiring too much maintenance and so on. The myth of the accessible European cars for al Europeans is dead.
in 2023 China weighted for 8.8% of EU exports and 20.5% of its imports. EU here have more to loose than win.
In 2023, EU exports to China of manufactured goods (88 %) had a much higher share than primary goods (11 %). The most exported manufactured goods were machinery & vehicles (51 %), followed by other manufactured goods (19 %) and chemicals (18 %).
In 2023, EU imports from China of manufactured goods (97 %) also had a much higher share than primary
goods (3 %). The most imported manufactured goods were machinery & vehicles (57 %), followed by other manufactured goods (31 %) and chemicals (8 %).
EU just shot itself in the foot to save a car industry that, let's be honest, isn't that great nor competitive anymore outside of the Luxury Car sector.
I'm not interested in acquiring a BYD car, I'm more into Japanese stuff honestly, even if I'm curious to just try one, but I'm definitely not interested in a Volkswagen or an Audi or a Peugeot / Renault.... Either too expansive, or lack of tech outside of the many payable options, sometimes heavy drinker of fuel, or requiring too much maintenance and so on. The myth of the accessible European cars for al Europeans is dead.
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@Jo_Wolf Andererseits muss man auch sehen, dass China auch gerade interne Probleme hat und auch kein gesteigertes Interesse an einem Handelskrieg haben dürfte. Wenn die USA den Handelskrieg mit China eskalieren, mit wem soll China denn Handel treiben? Außerdem brauchen sie die europäischen Produkte, um die Technologie zu klauen - das ist ja das Geschäftsmodell von China in den letzten Jahrzehnten: Spare die Entwicklungskosten und baue billig nach.
Das eigentliche Problem scheint mir die fehlende Innovation in Europa zu sein. Deshalb sind die Autos nicht mehr konkurrenzfähig und latent zu teuer. Und wenn ich mir die Bildungspolitik anschaue, wird das ind den nächsten 10 Jahren nicht besser. Protektionismus ist immer ein Zeichen von Schwäche.
Das eigentliche Problem scheint mir die fehlende Innovation in Europa zu sein. Deshalb sind die Autos nicht mehr konkurrenzfähig und latent zu teuer. Und wenn ich mir die Bildungspolitik anschaue, wird das ind den nächsten 10 Jahren nicht besser. Protektionismus ist immer ein Zeichen von Schwäche.
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@Epi Of course China needs Europe, but Europe needs China more than China needs Europe.
You must take into account that China still have a large pool of population which has not gotten out of poverty yet and that is developing its social status. To make it simple, the Chinese population gets richer, therefore the pool of buyers for their own domestic products gets bigger.
When China will put tariffs on EU cars, who will buy it ? European middle class is getting poorer every year and to poor gets poorer. What's the market ? Central and South America ? Africa ? This continent already buy Chinese
You must take into account that China still have a large pool of population which has not gotten out of poverty yet and that is developing its social status. To make it simple, the Chinese population gets richer, therefore the pool of buyers for their own domestic products gets bigger.
When China will put tariffs on EU cars, who will buy it ? European middle class is getting poorer every year and to poor gets poorer. What's the market ? Central and South America ? Africa ? This continent already buy Chinese
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@Jo_Wolf Europa mag ärmer werden, ist aber immer noch der wohlhabendste Kontinent. Insofern ist es auch immer noch ein großer, attraktiver Markt. China braucht Europa, um seine Bevölkerung aus der Armut zu holen. Die paar Autos für Uganda lösen das Problem nicht.
Am Ende müssen alle zusammen arbeiten. Sobald das nicht mehr funktioniert, geht es allen schlechter.
Am Ende müssen alle zusammen arbeiten. Sobald das nicht mehr funktioniert, geht es allen schlechter.
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