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The nest egg belongs in the custody account

At least partially. Nest egg getquin style.


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Common recommendations for a nest egg on the net (1-6 months' salary, everything in a current account or call money) are rubbish and not return-oriented. The nest egg should be calculated on the basis of expenditure and not income. From a certain deposit size and with a sensible investment strategy, part of the nest egg can be invested.


Once again, it's time to take a stand against frequent recommendations on the web. Today: the nest egg. As many people unfortunately continue to lump together regular planned expenses, the vacation fund and the nest egg, I'll start with the basics:


The nest egg contains reserves for absolute emergencies. For example, for urgent, unplanned expenses that are due at short notice and cannot be postponed under any circumstances. It also includes reserves to cover the absolutely most important recurring expenses should an income stream break off.


The nest egg should be separated from regularly planned expenses such as rent, food, hobbies, ... should be set aside. The money required for this (+ buffer) should always be in the current account and does not count as a nest egg. The same applies to money that is planned to be spent in the foreseeable future. For example, for a new smartphone or a vacation. Ideally, the necessary reserves should be held in a call money account and are not part of the nest egg. Or is it an emergency when you go on vacation?


Now that this has been clarified, let's look at the amount of the nest egg and thus one of the questionable "expert recommendations" on the internet: The nest egg should be invested in the amount of 2-3 (or, depending on the source 1-3, 2-4, 3-6, ...) monthly salaries (either gross or net).


Why do the figures vary like this? Because they are cheese. On the basis of the aforementioned foundations of a nest egg, it is not expedient to set it at 1-6 months' salary across the board. It is not the income situation that needs to be considered, but the expenditure situation. A low-income earner who rents, drives a 20-year-old car, is dependent on it and is frequently absent from work for longer periods due to health issues needs a higher nest egg than a top earner who lives rent-free in the basement of their parents' paid-off single-family home and works 100% from home.


When determining the size of the nest egg, options that ease the financial burden of an emergency should also be considered:

  • Instead of repairing the car immediately, I drive publicly for some time
  • If I am made redundant, it won't happen overnight and unemployment benefit is also available
  • I have insurance in case of occupational disability
  • ...


To determine a sensible nest egg amount, take a look at your recurring, irreducible expenses and combine them with possible unplanned expenses that cannot be compensated or delayed.


And that brings us to the polarizing part of the article: The nest egg belongs (partially) in the custody account! Simply because of the return.


Not right from the start, of course. After all debts have been paid off, the next step is to build up an appropriate nest egg before thinking about investing in the stock market. But once the nest egg has been built up, the savings plans on the stock market have been started and a multiple of the nest egg is in the custody account, you can definitely start to put parts of the nest egg into the custody account. Or to put it another way: You can reduce the size of the nest egg. At least if you pursue a reasonably responsible investment strategy (e.g. world ETF) and your portfolio doesn't just consist of godless revenge levers.


Why is this possible? Because your portfolio is another safety anchor. You no longer need to hold so much cash for emergencies, as you can withdraw money from your portfolio at relatively short notice. Yes, even your well-diversified global portfolio can collapse. But it will definitely not go to 0. And if it does, your nest egg in your current account will probably be worth nothing.


The larger your portfolio, the more you can reduce your nest egg and benefit from the returns on the stock market. You should take into account the time it takes for your money to arrive in your account from the time it is sold. This is often days. Accordingly, I would always keep a portion of your nest egg in a current account or call money account. Even if there aren't that many emergencies in which you really need money immediately:

  • A layoff won't put you out on the street overnight
  • If you are seriously ill, you will continue to receive your salary for several weeks
  • If your car breaks down, it will be repaired and only then will the bill be paid
  • If your washing machine breaks down, you can stop washing for 2 or 3 days, use your neighbor's machine or go to a laundromat
  • ...


What's more, real, free credit cards offer you additional ways of getting money at short notice and without incurring charges. For me, it is therefore perfectly justifiable to put up to 50% of your nest egg into a deposit - as soon as it is big enough.


How could your nest egg develop over time?

You define how large the nest egg should actually be. As soon as you have paid off all your consumer debt, you build up the nest egg to the desired amount (current account or call money). Important: Do not use your nest egg to pay for your regular expenses or vacations. This is done separately. Then you can start working on your custody account. For every 10k in a world ETF, for example, you could transfer 500-1000 euros of your nest egg to your custody account. You do this for as long as you feel comfortable with it.


Conclusion

General recommendations on the internet definitely have their raison d'être. They are easy to understand, easy to implement and therefore a good point of reference for people who are not interested in the topic. But we are in a bubble here at getquin. We love getting to grips with finance and teasing out even more returns at a reasonable risk. So why not do the same with your nest egg?


How much is your nest egg and do you have it (completely) in a current or call money account?


Kiss on the deposit 💋

Your Christmas donkey

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@tommycash people are finally realizing that a nest egg is pointless!!!! If the car breaks down, you just buy a new one ...
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@TreasureHunter financed with ungodly revenge leverage on the scrap value of the old car
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I only have a nest egg so that my financial flow bres don't tease me. 😇
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I absolutely agree! I have around €2,000 that I keep really liquid.

In case I want to take a spontaneous vacation or something similar.

You've perfectly summed up the other examples. Illness, unemployment or occupational disability are covered well enough in Germany so that you don't have to fall back on your own money.

If the aforementioned washing machine or fridge breaks down, there is often enough 0% financing available if things really get so tight that you can't pay for it out of your current income.

The absolute maximum for me would be 1 month's salary
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I know what yield-oriented is - All in Bitcoin 🚀
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@Ph1l1pp then All In!
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No emergency fund, manageable expenses and good tracking
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@Therapeut As a real estate shark, you simply raise the rent
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As an unlucky person with my own home (several building defects) and an existing loan, self-employment without occupational disability and unemployment insurance, I have to keep higher reserves. Merry Christmas to you too!
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@Dominik_76 that sounds understandable. Thanks for sharing!
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@DonkeyInvestor Thank you for your once again entertaining and informative article!!! Have you actually bought the Bitcoin yet or did you spend it all on Christmas presents? Happy holidays ;-)
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@Dominik_76 ah, you missed the resolution of my competition. Have a look at the latest posts in my profile
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@DonkeyInvestor Yes, I guess I did. Okay, I'll catch up, you fraud ;) But I'm glad it was a bluff.
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So can I buy Bitcoin from my nest egg?
My nest egg is just under 2 months' salary and is in overnight money :)
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@stefan_21 You have my absolution for that. Bitcoin is comparable to a world ETF 👍
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I have a largely distributing custody account, so I can also "afford" a small nest egg.
I always have a few marks in all my accounts, plus a nest egg as a couple and an "emergency nail" (€1k) in my own account. A separate vacation account, of course, and currently also an account for the next car (ours are from 2015 and 2008, so you have to expect to replace them soon).
Purely a nest egg of around 2 salaries / 4 monthly expenses. It would certainly be possible to optimize this now, but the return on the overall portfolio would only change insignificantly.
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@KevinE sounds like a solid approach. Thanks for sharing!
Even though you put it into perspective again at the end.

These nest egg recommendations are generalized and often come from the USA (especially the 6 monthly salaries), but can also make sense in Germany, for example. Self-employed people could see their income drop to zero from one day to the next, which is particularly dramatic in the early years.

Monthly salaries have a huge advantage: you don't need to have a clue and you don't have to worry about expenses. Because it's Christmas, I can think of the Christmas bonus in particular, which many people use especially to pay for insurance and other things in January, i.e. December/January is particularly money-intensive and in the event of termination without notice, for example (which would be an emergency in my opinion).

But I personally find the much-cited washing machine funny. Why do I necessarily need money in the call money account for this? Also on the grounds that you can access it within hours? Honestly, how often do these people do their laundry - every hour?

But it would also be awkward to say in a feel-good video: You're on your dream vacation and a close relative has just died and you have to fly back immediately.

The idea of how you could reduce your costs at short notice is laudable, but not expedient. it's about EMERGENCIES, which means unplanned, unexpected and at short notice:

- You live in the Ahr valley and your entire life has been washed away
- Your bank blocks your access to all your accounts with them
- Your bank has just gone bankrupt
- You have just been dismissed without notice and the dispute over the last payment from the company begins
...

Admittedly, this is all extreme. But that's how emergencies are.

So before I start discussing 3, 6 or 12 months' salary as a nest egg, I would think about it:
How many banks do I have my money in? Do you have your current account, call money and custody account at the same bank? -> I wish you good luck, you may need it.

Maybe you'll say my bank is "too big to fail" and I'll counter: Wirecard? Lehman Brothers? Credit Suisse?

Or you assume "I have deposit protection up to 100k and my ETF is special assets. My counter: What is certain is that you have a problem - 100k or not. You won't get your money for MONTHS - period! You don't even want to imagine the emotional aspect that is present at that moment.

I share your view that putting part of your nest egg or even all of it into the portfolio can be an approach. In my opinion, the more diversified the portfolio is, the smaller the nest egg in cash can be.

My nest egg plan:
Currently I have started to mix my nest egg with irregular recurring expenses, i.e. the pure nest egg will probably drop to 0 in the course of the coming year. But I am aware that if the nest egg requirement is needed at the same time as one of the irregular payments, I would then only have a part available for immediate use.

My plan in the event of an emergency:
- Set the savings rate to 0
- If necessary, ask creditors for a deferral (e.g. tax office additional claim)
- Use a credit card (never use it if you can't pay it off. The interest rates are astronomical!)
- Sell parts of the existing deposit

But from my point of view, these are topics that you can deal with if you have been managing your money yourself for some time and have developed a sense of the average monthly consumption of money. However, the videos are aimed more at beginners and people who prefer to take care of other things and 3-6 monthly salaries are very easy and you also cover different countries (DACH).

Merry Christmas
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@Eggplant Thank you for your good additions and insights into how you approach this. I have little to add. Perhaps only: Exactly, the 3-6 months come from somewhere else, were taken over and are not appropriate here. Hence the contribution. And yes, for many it's good enough to have simple and general statements that you can stick to without thinking too much. But if you want to, you can do better. Hence this article.

Merry Christmas
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Thank you! My nest egg is actually a bit higher: in case we need a small car and want to move to another city. It's currently earning a decent amount of interest on Trade Republic, but I'm also considering whether I should simply invest a certain amount of it. The portfolio is large enough that I could also realize a few profits if in doubt 🤔
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@Investplaner in case you need a small car and want to move to another city 😅? That sounds like very specific thoughts. Could that be in the foreseeable future or does something like that just happen from time to time in your life 😁?
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@DonkeyInvestor doesn't happen that often :) but it could happen soon - depending on how life circumstances change 😊
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@Investplaner Then I'll keep my fingers crossed that the life situation develops positively - whatever that means in detail
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I agree almost 1:1. Had a lot of unexpected expenses last month where shortly before the (fixed) salary transfer there was only €200 left in the account...
My learning: a nest egg of 6 months' salary + a large deposit is cheese... But a nest egg of 1 month's salary is sometimes a bit too much of a risk if you don't want to sell anything from the dot:D
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@InternetExplorer great. Apart from the fact that 1 month's salary (if it fits the spending situation) can be a good size: why do you dislike selling something from the portfolio?
@DonkeyInvestor It's purely a mental thing... Depot should grow and not shrink;) Of course, whether I take out 1k or pay in 1k less is +- irrelevant... So in case of doubt, it would work, that was always a good support last month to know that you are not "insolvent" in principle but only the current account is insolvent;)
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@InternetExplorer I understand 👍
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I have about 3 months of my fixed costs covered (i.e. also the expenses not the income 😉)
I have money in TR (unfortunately) together with the money I'm currently saving for a watch I want to buy or if there's such a big dip that I want to invest a lot of money at once 😇
But I have enough self-control not to go below the nest egg amount.

But I completely agree on the subject of "it doesn't have to be directly available in cash"
If something breaks and I have to replace it straight away, I'll buy it with my cash anyway if the amount in my current account isn't enough.

I think the concept of 6 months comes from the USA where you can lose your job at the end of the month with 2 weeks' notice and where a car is unfortunately a must. In Germany, public transportation is good enough and the distances are much shorter.
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@LarryLindt that sounds sensible 👍
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@LarryLindt why unfortunately with TR?
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@Bidax unfortunately it's not because of TR but because I have a nest egg and savings in the same place and haven't separated them 😇
I am more than happy with TR !!!
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I don't have a nest egg in my account at all, despite renting my apartment and keeping deposits.

I have 2 credit cards and an overdraft facility that I could use in an emergency.
If (my) world were to end, I could still sell shares and get the money in 2-3 working days.

It has to be said that I have no wife/children, no car and am a permanent employee.
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Nest egg is only for low earners & people who have debts 😂👏💯

PS: You can then distribute the coins again 😂🙋‍♂️
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Super useful post, we always read we should save 3-6 months in an emergency fund and never question it!
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I always have at least 5000€ in an overnight deposit for any eventualities, if it's below that, I only invest my savings plans until it's back up to that amount. Furthermore, I put about 50-100€ per month in case there is a nice sale in the stock market :) The rest goes completely into my investment strategy, which consists of 85% ETFs.
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Chapeau for this contribution!

With a nest egg, you should also consider possible crisis situations. At the Aldi around the corner from us, you couldn't pay by card for 3 weeks, then 3 weeks without cash. Two months ago, the ATMs in Berlin were out of cash, it's just stupid when the cell phone repair shop only takes cash because of a card error. Or I remember 2008, when the login for my current account was "Unfortunately not available at the moment" for almost a week and some money market funds were booked out with 0.

In short: diversification is also important for a nest egg. A little cash, giro, call money, money market, clearing account and even a small gold coin let you sleep a little more relaxed 😉.

Merry Christmas!
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Here, take a few coins so that you can still set aside a nest egg.
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It's an exciting topic that has also occupied me. I currently have a nest egg of 6,000 francs. That's currently enough for 2 months. My goal would be around 10k. However, as I rent, am not self-employed, don't have a car and have no other debts, my nest egg doesn't need to be too high. Because of the vacation, I don't think it's a problem if you take something from your nest egg, as long as you build it up again afterwards.
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Bravo great post. I will adapt my 2025 strategy
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I agree with you 👨🏻‍🎨und I have my nest egg and other sub-accounts in broadly diversified ETFs. Risk = max drawdown, opportunity = average market return
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I actually thought the same thing last month. After I cracked the 100k mark, I fired about 3k of my nest egg into the portfolio.

The remaining 6k is divided into. 2000 giro, 2k call money, 2k Trade Republic.
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A great opinion on the nest egg, I've also often thought about recalculating the nest egg due to my "essential" expenses. I still feel comfortable with the 3-4 net monthly salaries I'm currently aiming for, but a reassessment could pay off more in the long run as interest rates continue to fall.

My nest egg has been divided up so that a small part of it is in my call money account and the rest is with Trade Republic to take the interest.
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I haven't had an explicit "nest egg" for a while now, as I wouldn't know what unplanned costs we would have to pay immediately. Our finances are managed in such a way that unplanned expenses can be financed from current income in an emergency. Major costs are not unplanned and are insured anyway.
There are also some conservative investments that can be liquidated at any time. And then I still have the cash reserve for my current trades, which can also be accessed. It rarely goes to zero.

As you say, even if I lose my job unexpectedly, my salary will continue for a few months.
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I have 3 children, a house, something rented out and we are more or less dependent on 2 cars. Without a nest egg, I would feel uncomfortable. Despite a 6-figure deposit. Unfortunately, the "problem" is that I build up separate reserves for everything. In other words, earmarked ones. This has the advantage that I write off all expenses in advance, so to speak. Unfortunately, the disadvantage is that the individual pots add up to a sum that is actually too big to just have lying around. In the meantime, I've got to the point where I've invested one part each, for example. Into a Gemdmarkt ETF. Because I can't/won't have 12 custody accounts, I then keep track of "what" money has been paid in. Somehow it's all a bit complicated, but I feel quite comfortable with it.
But basically I would agree with you. Invest calmly, but with caution.
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Everything is in investment for me!
I earn 4000€ + ~200€ dividends and my fixed expenses are 1600€!

Should I become unemployed tomorrow: I will receive about 2340€ unemployment benefit.
Major purchase? My Diners card goes to 15.000€ frame.

But a good amount! 🫡
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Thought-provoking, great Post👏🏻
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As a nest egg in case BTC does go to 0.
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I don't really like to comment as a 95th grader ... but your contribution is really good and correct ... If I had coins, I would give them to you ;-). We don't have a nest egg thanks to our 5-digit net income. The 2k for the broken dishwasher last month thankfully works for us without a nest egg. If, for example, something major were to break in the house that the insurance company wouldn't pay for, we'd have time for the tradesmen to invoice us and also have a generous overdraft facility for short-term overdrafts. Even a loan on real estate would only take a few days thanks to existing land register entries. We are therefore pumping our money into the deposit and, of course, consumption (otherwise the economy won't run smoothly ;-))
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In the meantime, I've also moved away from leaving several months' salary lying around. I wouldn't know what for. Sure, you have a few thousand euros at your fingertips, but not 3-4 months' salary. And if I really need that much (I don't know what for), then I just sell shares. And in the worst-case scenario, at least I still have family who can help out at short notice. But as I said, I don't really need that...
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As I have hedged the securities account with 10% gold (ETC) and the majority could already be sold tax-free, I don't really need a nest egg.
At the moment I still have two months' salary in my call money account. Which only pays 2.5% interest.
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