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My child cost 45,000 euros a year

Recently, someone posted that they plan to increase their savings rate despite expecting a baby. I took that as an opportunity to calculate (or at least roughly estimate) how much my child cost during the first 3 years.


But let’s start with what we received:


12 × 1,800 euros in parental allowance = 21,600 euros

36 × 254 euros (average) in child benefits = 9,144 euros

Approx. 20,000 euros in tax refunds due to loss of income

9,000 euros from selling a small car


=> 59,744 euros in total.


And now let’s take a look at what it roughly cost us:


300 euros for clothes (we got a lot from relatives)

500 euros for toys

Various classes (music, children’s gymnastics, etc.) = 1,000 euros

36 × 30 euros for food (average) = 1,080 euros

36 × 40 euros for diapers and hygiene products = 1,440 euros

36 × 70 euros for the child’s savings account = 2,520 euros

3,000 euros in healthcare costs

4,000 euros for basic furnishings (beds, wardrobe, stroller, car seat, etc.)

12 × 450 euros in daycare fees = 5,400 euros

24 × 900 euros increase in rent (including utilities) (moving to a larger apartment after 1 year) = 21,600 euros

24,000 euros net loss of earnings for Parent 1

30,000 euros for a station wagon

100,000 euros net loss of earnings for Parent 2


=> 194,840 euros


Not included, for example, are lost pension points. Money saved by cutting out long-distance travel, eating out less often, etc. This was likely offset quite well by admission fees (zoo) and more expensive family vacations in the local area.


That means our child cost us about 135,000 euros, or 45k per year, in the first 3 years. If I’d just plowed that money into a global ETF over the last 3 years, I’d have a few thousand in paper gains on top of that 🥲.


Of course, when it comes to rent, we don’t live in rural Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania. And of course, you first have to earn that much and be privileged enough to be able to afford all of this. We’re grateful for that. It’s certainly possible to get by with lower costs. In the vast majority of cases, you have to. But there are surely plenty of cases where raising a child is even more expensive.


To be honest, I’m pretty shocked by the numbers. Please let me know if I’ve made any mistakes—I actually don’t want to believe this 😅.


Finally, let’s take a look into the future. How will the costs develop over the next 3 years? I’m estimating


36 × 10 euros for hygiene products = 360 euros

1,000 euros for clothing

1,000 euros for toys

1,000 euros for classes and clubs

2,520 euros for the child’s savings account

3,000 euros for healthcare costs

36 × 100 euros for food = 3,600 euros

36 × 300 euros for daycare = 10,800 euros

36 × 900 euros more in rent (including utilities) = 32,400 euros

54,000 euros net loss of income for Parent 1


=> 109,680 euros


I expect to receive at least another 10,000 euros in tax refunds. Child benefits are also increasing, so we could end up with exactly 90k in costs for one child over the next three years. So, at least it’s “only” 30k per year.


But the thing is, there isn’t just one child. There are two 💸💸💸


And how much do your hobbies cost?

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I’ve always said:
My child costs me millions.
But I also like to say that just to be a little provocative. 😉
Because the real cost is, plain and simple, the loss of income.
That’s why I always insist that young investors shouldn’t just take risks simply because they’re young. Once they have families, most of them will either be unable to invest anymore or won’t have time to spend with their kids.

Thanks for the breakdown. It’s exactly what I expected, and yet I still decided to start a family 😉❤️
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@Wealth-Accelerator Loss of income and housing costs really take a toll. Later on, when the kids’ expensive hobbies come into play (horses, car racing, or college), things will get more affordable again once you can go back to working nearly full-time.

It’s great that you’ve taken on these financial sacrifices anyway 😘
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@DonkeyInvestor It's nice that a potential college major is described as a hobby.
It must be "something to do with media" ^^
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@Artiskon In the age of AI, every humanities discipline becomes a hobby 😉
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Brilliant advice mate, never thought of it that way….
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@fund_mastermind_3196

I guess you are Talking about my Comment here. I Wrote it down here:

https://getqu.in/17lw5e/
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The car didn't have to cost 30k, and the apartment doesn't have to cost 22k more.
It’s not the child’s fault, and I wouldn’t blame him or her for it.

I see it the same way with the children’s savings account. I’m doing that for the little one, not because he, she, or it needs it.


We could also discuss ET2’s lost earnings in the calculation.
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@Alpalaka Of course, the car doesn’t have to cost 30k. But then I’d be constantly fixing it, or it would be too small or unsafe.

The apartment doesn’t have to cost 900 euros anymore, either. But then the public transit connections would get dramatically worse. I’d spend more time commuting and have less time for my kids. The options and infrastructure get worse. Or we’d just be constantly getting on each other’s nerves because there’s no room to breathe.

Of course, we could have re-entered the workforce sooner. But then we’d be “shoving” the child aside for even longer. That’s not why we had kids.

As you said—and as I’ve also written—it can, of course, be done much more cheaply. We’re in a situation where we can afford this luxury and buy ourselves as much time and comfort as possible. It was a conscious decision on our part.
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@DonkeyInvestor It's pretty much the same for us.

Based on the points mentioned above, I don’t factor in things like buying a car (by the way, you forgot about the extra gas costs and tire wear from trips to the pediatrician or amusement parks) or anything like that—I just add up the items the child actually needs (diapers, toys, etc.).

“Kids cost 45k a year.” I’ve actually only heard exaggerations like that from that weird blue party.
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@Alpalaka I've always known that alpacas can't really do math.

Best regards,
A. W.
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@DonkeyInvestor ONCE AGAIN....You’re talking here about “absolute necessities”—no, they aren’t. And—over 80% of the population can never afford what you’re presenting here as “essential,” yet they still have families, vacations, cars, and so on. If you can do that—great. Enjoy it, and let your kids enjoy it too. Hopefully you’ll teach them early on that money isn’t just there—it has to be earned—and that a healthy dose of modesty is actually a strength of character.
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@ZaphodB Where did I write that these costs are absolutely necessary? Where did I write that all of these expenses are essential?

Even in the post’s headline, I referred to MY child. I deliberately didn’t write that ONE child costs that much.

I think you’re getting worked up over something that nobody actually said or meant 😘
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My sister: Why don’t we drive a Maserati, anyway?
Our dad: My Maserati is right in front of me...

Ever since we’ve had kids, our back taxes have been getting bigger 😭

Using kids as a financial offset might sound “funny.” But as others have already pointed out, it’s neither sensible nor right.
And I find it questionable whether you can really call children a “hobby”—something you can just toss in the corner when it gets annoying or boring.
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And then there's the increased cost of the anti-aging products that parents end up needing.
Kids give you gray hair... or so they say.
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@DEW_7240 My point was really just to show that kids might be more expensive than you think.

I just put my kids' smartphones in the corner when I've had enough. Then everything works out 👍
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@DonkeyInvestor But the cost of your own smartphone and the plan aren't even included yet, are they?!
You can't exactly hand in your own phone. What else are you going to do with all that newfound peace and quiet?
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@DEW_7240 That's right, that's on top of that.
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Well, I have three children, and one of them has an intellectual disability. I wouldn’t count on costs going down—at least that’s not what I’m seeing in our situation. My kids are 13, 12, and 5 years old.
The fact that we have to cover the costs of daycare ourselves here in Germany is such a glaring failure on the part of the government—I can hardly put it into words...
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@Gebsen79 Above all, I just don't get it. To secure our prosperity in the medium term, we need either more children or immigration—or maybe both. In both areas, we're currently only so-so, and we're getting worse and worse.

It's great that you decided to have children anyway. All the best to you both!
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@Gebsen79 In Rhineland-Palatinate, for example, childcare is free starting at age 2. That makes things a lot easier. We only pay a flat rate of 55€ per month for meals. Before that, however, we were paying €630 for a child care provider because the daycare center didn’t have space for the very little ones. Especially since you already feel bad about sending such tiny little ones to full-day care… but unfortunately, that’s the reality for many families where no one can simply stay home.
On top of that, daycare centers and schools are increasingly turning into mere custodial facilities, while fees remain the same or even rise. Early childhood education is a foreign concept here. And then we have to put up with our federal education minister insulting us, claiming we’re not interested in our own children’s education… I’m speechless.
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@Gebsen79 You have to sign up for basic income support—THEN they'll cover childcare. And tutoring. And the field trip. And school supplies.
If you have to make a living on your own, they won't cover it. Just stating the facts.
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@NichtRelevant There's that saying, "Class only looks like arrogance from below"—maybe the reverse is true: "Neediness only looks like a failure to appreciate one's own achievements from above"—but joking aside.....
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You're slowly starting to understand my love for rice 🤣. I really need to get a handle on this (or rather, I should—since it's a conscious choice I've made ☺️)

You forgot to include these in your list: fresh berries in every season and dried strawberries 😂
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@GoDividend In return, you get sand for free. All you have to do is start a wholesale business.
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@GoDividend That's true. I can't go to the supermarket with my kid without buying dried fruit. At least it's better than chocolate.
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@GoDividend You mean all those snacks? They really pack a punch 🤣
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And what about the 0.6% savings on the long-term care insurance premium for people without children?

Sure, if you don't factor that in, having kids isn't worth it. 🤷
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@Epi are included in the tax refund 👍
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I'll just ask Jens Spahn—he bought his, so maybe it was cheaper, and maybe he has a money-saving tip for us? 👀
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@Zerax I'd rather delete it 🤣 I heard somewhere that he's really, really sensitive to criticism 🤪
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@FinanzMechaNikk Yeah, that's true. It would be pretty awkward to publicly oppose surrogacy in front of your constituents and then secretly look for a surrogate in the U.S. You just have to learn to accept satire and sarcasm. 🤷‍♂️😉
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@Zerax Old news—I thought the one about Sardinia was way better. Everyone else gets kicked off the flight on the spot—but he, on the other hand, flies first class 🤣
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I’d say the cost of a children’s savings account.
A new apartment? I wouldn’t blame those costs on the child either.
At most, the portion of the room that the child uses.
A new car—put the entire cost on the child? At most, a third of it, since others benefit from it as well.
Putting the loss of income on the kids’ shoulders 🤮.
That’s what daycare is for—so you can work if you want to.
Otherwise, the kids secure your personal “scam” pension, if you’re affected by it.
Otherwise, they also secure your retirement…

What about vacations?
A package tour without kids costs 4K; with kids, it’s 7–9K for us….
Should these costs also be fully attributed to the kids???

Otherwise, I agree with you—kids cost money, but they also bring so much more value, at least in our family.
We’ve never really thought about “costs.”
We’re just glad they’re here—healthy, happy, and ready for their “adventure” called life ❤️❤️❤️.
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@Hodlinvestor It’s not about blaming anyone for anything. It’s about showing how much money is lost because of having children.

The 900 euros in housing costs are only a portion of the total rent, not the full amount.
As for the car, I factored in the resale value of the old one.
Where do I have to move to find a 24/7 daycare? Or could I have just skipped having kids altogether?
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@DonkeyInvestor Yeah, it's all good—I get it.
In Rhineland-Palatinate, for example, daycare is tax-funded and not private.

My wife, for example, didn’t “lose” any money at all back then.
Because the “loss” was more than offset by the government’s child allowance, at least for our third child.

But we didn’t equate our conscious decision to “slow down” with “losing” income.

Personally—and this isn’t meant as an attack!—I find statements like that very anti-child.
Do you also tell your kids later on, “Because of you, I couldn’t earn as much money as I actually wanted to”?
I had a grandpa like that—I thought he was disgusting 🤮.
But then again, he was great in other ways 🤣🤣🤣.
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@Hodlinvestor I'm happy to invest the money and time because I love having kids. Still, it's okay to do the math every now and then. And if you like, you can also call it "we made a conscious decision to slow down" 😘
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"Money can't buy hugs," someone once told me 😀
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@CashCovv An escort is more than happy to hug you for money
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@CashCovv Money really does comfort me 😂
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@DonkeyInvestor Yeah... that's not meant as an insult... but it does reveal something about your attitude toward life in general—and in particular.
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@ZaphodB What exactly do you infer from a troll comment about my attitude toward my life circumstances?
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@DonkeyInvestor A bit of a lack of a sense of reality... Maybe just think for a moment about how about 80 percent of the population has to raise their kids. And they manage to do it without paying 9⁰ euros more in rent, without a 30k station wagon, and without child benefits. THAT was what I wanted you to consider. And as for the rest, I’m happy for you from the bottom of my heart. Let’s just leave it at that.
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@ZaphodB What? They can't afford a 30k station wagon? My caviar just fell right onto the leather seats. But never mind. The cleaner is coming back next week 👍
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You're absolutely right about the costs. As a father of four, I can confirm that. Still, children aren't an investment in the financial sense—they're our future. Without children, our generation would die out. Anyone who supports this view doesn't have to make any further investments either.
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@Amine Someone's gotta pay for my nursing home or take care of me 😁
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@Amine 4 kids?! Hats off to you. 3 is already a massive undertaking 🫣
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@mami_goes_boerse I heard it's either 2 or 3—it doesn't really matter either way
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@mami_goes_boerse Yeah, of course—I'd love to have more 💗
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@DonkeyInvestor That's right, costs are barely going up anymore 😋
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@Amine 😳 I'd only do it if they stayed small and cute 🤣
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@DonkeyInvestor The biggest jump is really from 1 to 2. After that, it doesn't really matter. 😅 It only becomes a problem when you want to go on vacation. I have a friend with 5 kids. There aren’t any hotel rooms available for them. The only option is a vacation rental, and there you have to cook for yourself 🙄
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@mami_goes_boerse We have that right now. Hurray 😅
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You have some weird and expensive hobbies! 😂
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Thanks—I was looking forward to seeing this list, since having kids will be on my radar in the next few years. It’s still relatively harmless. I’m looking forward to adding this small expense to my budget. Luckily, Friedrich is saving money here. It can’t be right that parents actually make a profit by propping up the pension system through a hobby. Maybe we should cut back on the support for parents a little bit. Otherwise, they’ll definitely have it too easy.

Don’t get me wrong—kids are a joy, and you should want them of your own accord, yada, yada, yada…
I’m looking forward to it. I’m not looking forward to the financial losses, though 😂

One quick point that caught my eye: the cost of the station wagon isn’t limited to just the first three years. I’m assuming that the 30k figure is a bit of an exaggeration.

But it’s kind of ironic that you end up with lower pension benefits because you bring children into the world. Back in the day, people had kids to provide for their old age 😁
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We have one child. We would have liked to have a second one, but we quickly realized that it would mean a lot more stress and sacrifices. So we decided to have just one child and to give him everything he needs.

I don’t think we’ll be able to turn things around in Germany to increase the birth rate, since the main focus over the next few decades will be on somehow managing the aging population, which also happens to be the largest voting bloc.
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@DonkeyInvestor You forgot to include the cost of gap years. You'll need to add a few euros for that, too 😂
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We’re expecting our first child early next year, and we’ve already put together a financial plan for the period after maternity leave. I had to take a deep breath when I saw that, too :D
We’ll definitely have to lower our monthly savings rate for now. It’s still over €1,000—which is certainly higher than for many other families—but the reduction still stings.
Neither of us is a high earner, but according to common statistics, our income places us in the upper middle class. I really wonder how families with lower incomes and even more children manage. Of course, it also has to do with the standard of living you want to maintain. But I definitely have a better understanding now of why so many people have to watch every penny.
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500 euros for toys, what a waste
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Going diaper-free (“diaper-free”)

Breastfeeding is enough; no supplementary food is needed

Keep driving the same car, living in the same house

If one income is lost, the child does not have to go to daycare during the first 3 years (and shouldn’t)

Etc., etc.
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Don't forget the child tax credit for the next few years—it'll save you some money on taxes. But other than that, it's still an expensive hobby. But that's why we're here—otherwise, nothing else would make sense.
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Well, just wait until the kid is 10 or older and needs a horse. (I have two.)—Then we'll talk some more :D
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My dear child is 12, on the cusp of adolescence, and right now is really getting on my nerves. 😅
But thanks to Grandma, at least this good boy doesn't seem to have any money worries: "Mom, I can easily afford a Real Madrid jersey for 108 euros." 🙄
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You're a great dad 😘
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Well, here’s one thing you can at least take into account: if you invest in your own property, you’ll build or buy a larger one. That means you’ll see more appreciation in value over the roughly 18 years you’ll have at your disposal once you turn 67. And if you can rent out the space that’s become available, you’ll have boosted your retirement income. You can often get a government subsidy for this, too; in my case, it was 10k per child toward the municipal building lot.
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Danke!
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I love this post.
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Tell me you're rich without actually telling me you're rich—I have 3 kids ✌️
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I have no idea if there’s a mistake there, since I don’t have kids. But what’s definitely missing is the standard assurance that every one of the kids’ smiles is worth all the sacrifices and costs👍
After all, what are the kids supposed to think when, at age 16, they’re tracking their “kid fund” on GQ and stumble upon a post from their dad that portrays them as nothing but a cost factor? 🤣
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Go ahead and figure out everything else you haven't done or bought 😂 because you've got a linen bag for that anyway.
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Donkey, life is tough! 😖 Why not just drop the little rascals off at Grandma and Grandpa’s for a change, so you can enjoy a nice, relaxing long weekend with your sweetheart!? True to your motto: “Get them out of here…” 😂
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Personally, I would never want to visualize that. It sounds like a comparison, and not like you're saying, "If I had..."—child versus money.
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Hi, we’ve raised a kid ourselves……a lot of what’s on your list doesn’t belong there. Loss of income of 100K, buying station wagons for 30K, moving, and rent including utilities... none of that has ANY business being on the list. The calculation just turned out to be very one-sided. Yes, daycare is expensive—depending on your income—(we were in the highest bracket ourselves...) but even so, it was well under 100 euros a month at the reputable Catholic daycare here. Costs for the child’s savings account? You can probably do without that; it has no place in the calculation. 3K in healthcare costs? Do you pay for EVERYTHING yourselves? For us, health insurance covered that... and so on and so forth... I just find this calculation completely out of touch with reality—sorry.
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