Hello everyone,

I would like to start a discussion about the best #etf s for the #schweiz to start. Let's start with the most important basics:

• Dividends are taxed as income in Switzerland (even for accumulating ETFs). So ultimately it doesn't matter for tax purposes whether you have a distributing or accumulating ETF.
• Access to American ETFsas not a member of the EU and therefore access to significantly cheaper ETF alternatives (e.g. $VT (-0.96%) ).
• Agreement between the USA and Switzerland reduces the US withholding tax from 30% to 15%. The remaining 15% can be claimed in the tax return for American ETFs.
• In the case of high to very high assets, ETFs with an American fund domicile may be taxed by the IRS for tax purposes.
• In the case of inheritance it could be a documentary/bureaucratic challenge for the surviving dependants with the IRS to transfer the ETFs with American brokers (classic #ikbr ).
• From a tax perspective, Irish ETFs are the most interesting after American ETFs due to the agreement between Ireland and the USA to reduce withholding tax from 30% to 15%. However, the remaining 15% cannot be claimed on the tax return.

For some years now I have been investing in the MSCI World $XDWD (-0.98%) (World Industrialized Countries) and not too long ago the AC World $XMAW (-0.98%) (All World). This is because, in addition to my Swiss broker (#saxobank ) and #ikbr my German bank (#consorsbank ) and Amundi and Xtracker ETFs can be saved there free of charge, which would be obsolete due to the low costs of Saxo and/or IKBR. In addition, these are accumulating and I would prefer to save in distributing ETFs. With a TER of 0.19% and 0.25%, these are okay, but certainly not the best ($VT (-0.96%) or $at 0.06%).

Irish alternatives would be the $WEBG (-0.9%) (TER 0.7%, distributing, All-World), $UBU7 (-1.06%) (TER 0.10%, distributing, MSCI-World), $VDEV (-1.09%) (TER 0.10%, distributing, industrialized countries) or $XDWL (-1.07%) (TER 0.12%, distributing, MSCI-World and counterpart to my accumulating $XDWD (-0.98%) ).

Which ETF do you save in if you are a Swiss resident? Which ETF would you save in if you were in the Swiss "luxury" situation?

Thanks to the jump from $1211 (+2.45%) I was able to break the milestone of 50k today, which was actually planned to be reached in the summer as I no longer have the usual savings rate due to renovations, currently €200 in tiles in the $CSNDX (-1.63%) and 200€ in $XDWD (-0.98%)

Always happy to listen to opinions... even critical ones 😬✌🏻

Dear friends of Getquin,

I'm usually a silent reader, but if everyone just reads, eventually there's no more reading material, is there? So today I want to share my story with you.

The beginnings:

It's hard for me to say exactly when my journey began, but I do know that I developed a fascination with money as a child. My first "investment" was when I was about 7 or 8 years old, when I bought an ounce of gold with my own pocket money. At that time, no one in my family had anything to do with investments, but I had seen it in my mother's bank when I often accompanied her there. I was fascinated by the shiny coins and wanted to know how I could have a piece myself.

Then, around the turn of the millennium, I saw my father, together with a "great" bank advisor, invest the entire family savings in the middle of the dotcom bubble. The result: a massive loss within a few months. But my mother, who was at home at the time, fought hard and was miraculously able to recoup the losses. I was about 9 or 10 years old at the time and watched her sit in front of the PC every day and look at the figures. From that moment on, I was hooked! I started using an Excel spreadsheet to track which shares I would have bought at what price and watched the performance of my fictitious investments with great interest every day after school.

The first few years:

My mother stopped day trading after about a year and went back to work. However, shares were no longer an issue for me until I was 26.

Getting into real shares:

In 2018, in the summer, as a die-hard Juventus fan, I read about an article on the transfer of CR7 and how Juventus shares went through the roof. I was there again! At that time, however, I only had a small income as a working student. My father, who had failed with his investments in the past, gave me €2,000 - and I bought Juventus shares. However, he made me promise him that I would never invest in shares again. How did the story end? The "trade" with Juventus was a success, but I had to pay taxes for the first time - and I still hate that to this day.

The first losses:

After my Juventus adventure, I began to delve deeper into the matter. I tried out recommendations from "Aktionär" and repeatedly bet on individual shares for smaller trades. It was more of a game, but I generally remained profitable - sometimes a few percent profit, sometimes a few percent loss. Thanks to the profits and additional deposits, I built up my portfolio to €18,000 until I was hit by Wirecard. In the end, I had to accept a loss of around €6,000. It was painful, but not life-threatening - and I learned a lot from this mistake. In particular, I made the mistake of constantly buying more. If I had left it at the original position of € 1,500, the loss would probably not have been so dramatic.

Don't give up:

After the Wirecard debacle, I radically rethought my strategy. I increasingly focused on conservative companies, regular dividend payers and low growth. But here, too, I realized that I was underperforming the market. So I adapted my strategy further and took a long-term approach. I have since been able to slowly recoup my losses.

The clean cut - a new start:

In the summer of 2023, I needed all my assets for a private housing project and decided to make a real "fresh start". I sold all the positions in my portfolio and only kept my ETF savings plans with TradeRepublic.

The new era:

When the housing project was completed, I wanted to build up a new portfolio with the money I had left over - and here you can see the result. My aim is to find companies that are growing strongly and have a solid moat. Dividends are nice, but not a must. My portfolio also contains defensive, boring stocks as a healthy addition. At the same time, I try to further expand my ETF positions through one-off purchases - I stopped my regular ETF savings plans at the end of January 2025. I have also invested a little in crypto and gold on the side. I have made further investments in Lego (€500), Pokémon (€1,000) and Counterstrike cases (€3,000), but these are not part of the public list - that would be too costly for me.

Fun fact:

My cash ratio has never been higher than €3,000 since I first entered the stock market (2018). This is currently an exception because I want to build up a cash reserve for the next generation.

Goal:

I don't have a specific, set goal when it comes to my investments. It's more of a hobby for me. I just enjoy seeing how my portfolio grows and how I can accompany exciting companies and be a small part of them as they develop. For me, it feels a bit like collecting: I enjoy discovering interesting companies, investing in them and watching them develop over the long term.

Thank you:

A big thank you goes to Goldesel Investing and Markus Koch, who have been with me since my first stock market steps. Without you, the share culture in German-speaking countries would certainly not be as strong! And of course a big thank you to Getquin - I've always dreamed of a platform like this! 0% bullshit, 100% investments.

I hope you like the revised version! The text is now more clearly structured, reads more smoothly and still retains your personal style.

Please let me know if you liked my story!

A little tip: My Bitpanda portfolio has a longer history, but I was too lazy to enter everything manually. I also didn't want to take over the history because, as I said, I wanted to start a new chapter in my investment history in November 2023. Overall, however, my crypto track is up €3000-4000.

$CSPX (-1.14%)
$ETH (+1.62%)
$BLK (-1.16%)
$GS (-2.21%)
$XDWD (-0.98%)
$V (-0.16%)
$MC (+0.4%)
$MS (-1.6%)
$QCOM (-4.11%)
$JNJ (+2.12%)
$ASML (-0.72%)
$RBOT (-2.12%)
$LOCK (-1.22%)
$MRK (+2.28%)
$UNP (-0.01%)
$NKE (-0.48%)
$QDV5 (-0.66%)
$MA (-0.3%)
$TGT (-2.56%)
$PEP (+3.26%)
$NU (-11.11%)
$AAPL (+0.26%)
$TSLA (-4.32%)
$DOGE (+2.09%)
$BTC (+0.72%)
$BRK.B (-0.13%)
$PEPE (+1.86%)

Hello Community,

Today I'd like to discuss my somewhat confusing use of various brokers. Maybe one or the other can give me some support here.

Consorsbank

I started investing a few years ago when I was still living in Germany. I used a well-known but rather expensive broker ( #consorsbank ). ETF savings plans are partly free here and I use the $XDWD (-0.98%) (TER 0.19%) as well as the $XMAW (-0.98%) (TER 0.25%). These 2 ETFs are deliberately separated, as the latter is backed by another cash inflow, the increase in value of which I would like to view separately (rent of a paid-off rental apartment).

However, historically, one-off purchases (order costs: 10 Euro + 0.25%) and savings plans (order costs: 1.5%) some individual positions such as $GOOGL (-2.28%) , $MC (+0.4%) , $META (-1.11%) , $SHEL (-1.69%) , $BATS (-1.84%) , $INTC (-4.07%) or $ASML (-0.72%) . So a colorful portfolio without focus (e.g. growth or dividends only, USA only or other).

Current account is required at Consorsbank and therefore not closed, custody account not absolutely necessary.

SaxoBank

I moved to Switzerland almost 4 years ago and initially invested here via DeGiro, but due to the cost reduction I switched to SaxoBank and actually closed DeGiro completely. Order fees of 1$ + 0.08% for American shares. European ones are usually 3 Euro + 0.08%. However, the stamp duty which applies to all brokers in Switzerland (0.075 Swiss stock exchange, 0.15% foreign stock exchange).

ETFs continued to be saved via Consorsbank. Individual shares (apart from a few small savings plans) from now on with SaxoBank. This applies to both new and existing positions ($GOOGL (-2.28%) , $INTC (-4.07%) , $MSFT (-1.57%) , $AMD (-2.29%) , $NESN (+4.08%) or $NOVO B (+5.32%) )

No trading with fractional shares possible! Complete transfer from Consorsbank to SaxoBank therefore not possible!

InteractiveBroker

Via Getquin, as well as via a mentioned Reddit group for Swiss finance, I came across the possibility to invest very cost-efficiently with #ibkr which specifically offers the possibility to invest in American ETFs (e.g. $VT (-0.96%) or $VOO (-1.28%) ), which are not only significantly cheaper (TER 0.07%, or 0.03%), but are also tax-exempt due to a tax treaty between #usa and the #schweiz bring tax advantages.

The order fees are incredibly low (0.0035 USD per share) and, as it is not a Swiss broker, there is no stamp duty! Accordingly, another 0.15% (0.075 for Swiss stock exchange) less compared to SaxoBank! Another strong argument is that I can transfer money free of charge from my German bank #euro as well as from my Swiss bank #chf free of charge. However, I would not like to put everything on one card/broker. I haven't invested in IBKR yet, but I'm wondering how I should best divide up my brokers.

Trading with fractional shares is possible and therefore also a portfolio transfer from Consorsbank.

Quick side info:

My wife has her own account with Consorsbank (before moving to Switzerland) and #degiro her own custody account, which doesn't make it any less complicated.

Summary:

Consorsbank:

ETFs plus shares available, high fees for shares, fractional shares possible, based in Germany

SaxoBank:

Shares available, low fees but stamp duty, no fractions of shares, domiciled in Switzerland

IBKR:

nothing available yet, very low fees, no stamp duty, deposit Euro & CHF possible, American ETFs like $VT (-0.96%) fractional shares possible, domicile in the USA (or UK for Swiss investors).

Questions:

a.) In future ETF, e.g. $VT (-0.96%) with IBKR?

a2.) If yes, liquidate existing ETFs and reinvest in American ETFs?

b.) Transfer portfolio, especially Consorsbank?

b2.) If yes, how to divide between SaxoBank and IBKR? Only IBKR?

c.) Are there major risks with IBKR (based in the USA/UK?)

After two extremely good stock market years, the year 2025 is under particular scrutiny.

• After two years with price increases of over 20%, can it go any higher?
• How will Trump affect the stock market? Liberal policies vs. tariffs?
• Inflation and interest rate trends - will the central banks continue to lower rates or will inflation return?

What will not change is my basic investment strategy. I will continue to invest in dividend growth stocks and buy them every month via a savings plan - regardless of other influences and developments.

Investment amount:

In my private life, building a house is a big issue. My monthly savings will therefore be significantly lower in 2025 than in previous years.

In the last few years, my savings sum was usually between €1,500 and €2,500.

I will now reduce this significantly to approx. 700€ per month.

The rest will go into a call money account to save money for additional costs, kitchen, furniture and so on.

However, I am absolutely aware that €500-700 is still a very high investment amount per month.

Around half (€250) already comes from dividend income, which I will reinvest.

Investment breakdown:

This year, the majority of my investments will again be in individual stocks with the following allocation:

I will continue to overweight the USA and underweight Europe (especially Germany).

My main focus will also remain on the technology and pharmaceutical sectors with almost 50%. This is where I continue to see the greatest growth in the long term - both for sales, profits and dividends.

There will be no changes to the savings plans for the time being. I will not be adding any new shares to my savings plan for the time being.

In addition, I will continue to invest the net savings from private health insurance compared to statutory health insurance in the WisdomTree Global Quality Dividend Growth
$GGRP (-0.99%)

In total, that's around €90 per month + the one-off premium refund of over €2,000 for 2024.

The capital-forming benefits from my employer flow into an MSCI World
$XDWD (-0.98%) with finvesto.

In addition, €100 goes into two crypto savings plans every month. 65 flows into Bitcoin
$BTC (+0.72%) and €35 in Ethereum
$ETH (+1.62%)
Dividend expectation:

For this year, I also expect around 15-20% more dividends than in 2024.

This would mean total dividends of €3,300-3,500 for 2025.

What is your investment strategy for 2025?

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#etfs
#dividend
#tech
#personalstrategy

Part 5 of 5
/ Review of the year 2024: In the first 4 parts

of my investment story, I looked at the years 2013 to 2023.

A mixture of highs and lows. While there was a lot of learning at the beginning, the last few years are finally bearing fruit!

Monthly view:

2024 was another very positive year, although December again resulted in a slight loss in the portfolio.

In total, December was -0,8%. This corresponds to price losses of -3.200€.

The MSCI World (benchmark) was -0.9% and the S&P500 -2.5%.

In the following, however, I would like to look primarily at the whole of 2024 and not

just December.

Year as a whole:

Winners & losers:

The winner par excellence is hardly surprising NVIDIA $NVDA (-3.63%) with

almost €20,000 in share price gains! And this despite the fact that I took my entire stake of ~€4,000 off the table in March.

In 2nd place follows Bitcoin
$BTC (+0.72%) with approx. 6,000€ price gains. 3rd-5th place

are shared by TSMC $TSM (-0.58%)
Alphabet $GOOG (-2.32%) and Meta
$META (-1.11%) with gains of ~€5,000 each.

On the loser side it looks very relaxed all in all.

Sartorius $SRT (-2.19%)
Nike $NKE (-0.48%)

and Bechtle $BC8 (-0.42%) have each caused share price losses of ~€1,000. They are followed by LVMH $MC (+0.4%) with share price losses of €500 and Amgen $AMGN (+3.04%) with €200.

All in all, share price losses that are not really worth mentioning.

The performance-neutral movements in 2024 were just under €20,000. This is a significant decline compared to the almost €30,000 from previous years. This was due to some private issues and the upcoming house construction.

My performance for the year as a whole was +28,8% and therefore outperformed my benchmark, the MSCI World, by 25.8%.

In total, my portfolio currently stands at ~347.000€. This

corresponds to an absolute growth of ~95,000€ in the current

year 2023. ~71.000€ of which comes from price gains, ~3.800€ from

dividends / interest and ~20.000€ from additional investments.

Dividend:

• The dividends in December were 17% above the previous year at ~€370
• Amgen is in the lead with over 50€ (gross) dividend every 3 months
• For the year as a whole, my dividends amounted to ~2.900€ and thus almost 25% over 2023

Buys & sells:

- I bought in December for a significantly reduced ~500€

- As always, my savings plans were executed:

- Blue chips: Lockheed Martin $LMT (+2.16%) Republic Services $RSG (+0.39%) Thermo Fisher $TMO (-0.59%) ASML $ASML (-0.72%) Northrop Grumman $NOC (+2.66%) Itochu $8001 (+0.66%) Constellation Software $CSU (-0.46%) Hermes $RMS Salesforce $CRM (-2.41%) MasterCard $MA (-0.3%) Deere $DE (-2.08%)

- Growth: -

- ETFs: MSCI World $XDWD (-0.98%) and the WisdomTree Global Quality Dividend Growth $GGRP (-0.99%)

- Crypto: Bitcoin $BTC (+0.72%) and Ethereum $ETH (+1.62%)

- There were no further sales in December

Target 2024 & outlook 2025:

My goal for 2024 was to reach €300,000 in the portfolio. Due to the

extremely positive market performance in the current year, my portfolio stands at ~€ 350,000 at the end of the year. I was therefore able to significantly exceed my target.

What will happen in 2025? The logical target, of course, would be 400.000€ to be achieved. However, due to the upcoming house construction, part of the assets will be invested in the house construction. If I include the property in my statement of assets, the target of €400,000 would of course not change.

However, as I am more likely to be tracking my liquid assets here, I will probably

probably refrain from doing so.

Therefore, my year-end target for 2025 will probably be closer to the final balance for 2024. So around €350,000 at the end of 2025.

How are things looking for you? Have you already thought about your plans for 2025?

Finally, I wanted to say thank you again for all the positive reactions to my investment story!

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#crypto
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As a 17-year-old student, my first (full) year on the stock market really went better than expected. Initially, I wanted to invest a small part of my "assets" and outperform my call money account - and I did so successfully. My TWR is 59.67%I think that's really impressive for a beginner.

Now to my investments:

My year got off to a rather negative start with the sell-off of Neotech-Metals $NTMC (+7.91%) a "tip" from a relative - with a 77% loss, I decided to see this investment as a learning opportunity, which in retrospect was worth it. At least I only lost €126 on my first bet.

Savings plan

Throughout the year, I had my savings plan running at €150 per month:

60€ in $XDWD (-0.98%) -> Later 100€ $VWCE (-0.92%)

45€ in $XMEU (+0.09%) -> Later 50€

45€ in $RBOT (-2.12%) -> Deducted

Since I moved my securities account from Deutsche Bank to ING in April, I no longer have to hold 3 stocks, but can focus on 2.

However, when I turn 18 in April '25, my portfolio will probably move to TR or Scalable.

Investments:

I also had several smaller investments this year $NVDA (-3.63%) investments this year, which I had chosen without any premonition, just because I like their graphics cards. But that was probably the first stroke of luck in my stock market "career".

I also bought more of them:

21.10. 5 x @ 127,45€

16.11. 2 x @ 134,11€

20.11. 3 x @ 139,63€

This brings me to a total of 20 shares and a price gain of 20.12%.

However, this position is slowly becoming too large for me, which is why I will probably realize partial profits soon.

Another new addition to my portfolio were 2 Tesla shares $TSLA (-4.32%) which I didn't even hold for a month, but I was able to take a short-term gain of 27.23%, i.e. €175, which really tastes good in such a short time.

The top winner for me this year was clearly the Apple share $AAPL (+0.26%) which brought me almost 43%. Fortunately, my parents support my interest in the stock market and gave me an Apple share for Christmas instead of an Apple product. In the time since I bought this share until today, it has actually gained 52%, which is of course a great increase in value for a gift. I also received the "bitcoin standard", which is a really great book so far!

So total return is 1632€, of which about 850€ realized.

Goals 2025:

> First, I will probably halve my Nvidia position so that I can buy my first car.

> Leave savings rate at €150 in months without income, increase drastically in months with salary

> More investments in individual shares

> First investments in Bitcoin (I know, volatile, but I'm very interested in the technology behind it)

> Even better financial education, especially with regard to investments

I try to save as much as possible and give up as little quality of life as possible. I am thrifty, but I also like to buy nice clothes or invest in friendships and family, because in the end that is still the most important thing in life!

With this in mind,

A successful year 2025 to all!

Hello everyone,

I have been saving for almost three years now with the $XDWD (-0.98%) and have a portfolio of just under 17k.

In the coming year, I would like to invest a large sum x in individual shares with a view to the long term.

The shares will be held until I retire and will not be used to speculate on short-term gains.

I have selected the following shares:

$TSLA (-4.32%)

$NVDA (-3.63%)

$MSFT (-1.57%)

$SYK (-0.56%)

$LLY (+0.32%)

$AAPL (+0.26%)

$RHM (-1.89%)

$AMZN (-2.39%)

The shares are not spectacular, but are market leaders and big names in their sector. However, this is of course no guarantee of a promising future.

What do you think of these shares, even if they may seem boring?

Depot review November 2024 - The depot is growing despite larger withdrawals 🚀

Before I continue with the second part of my investment story, I would first like to share my portfolio review for November.

The second half of November was almost quiet compared to what happened at the beginning of November. Trump was elected, triggering a veritable run on the stock markets. Germany was finally freed from the traffic lights and there were also some exciting topics in the private sphere. I sold a few shares back in October to generate the equity I needed to start building a house. This continued a little further in November.

Overall, my savings rate will also (have to) be lower over the next few months. Less into the portfolio and more into the "buffer account" for building the house. Nevertheless, around €500 per month will continue to be invested and this will be pushed up again as quickly as possible.

After selling 6 shares and an ETF in October, I sold parts of my MSCI World ETF for around €13,000.

But now it's finally time to look at the hard figures:

Monthly view:

In total, November was +6,3%. This corresponds to price gains of ~20.000€.

The MSCI World (benchmark) was +7.3% and the S&P500 +5.1%

Winners & losers:

A look at the winners and losers is particularly exciting this month:

On the winning side with a total of almost €5,000 in price gains, my crypto investments in Bitcoin and Ethereum. This is followed by the long runner NVIDIA with price gains of just under €2,000. 4th and 5th place then goes to the cybersecurity sector with Palo Alto Networks and Crowdstrike.

On the loser side looks very quiet this month. Amgen is still the worst performer with losses of ~€600 due to a weight loss drug that failed to fully meet Wall Street's hopes. This is followed by Sartorius with share price losses of €200. Places 3-5 are then occupied by share price losses of less than €100. All in all, a month with almost no losers.

The performance-neutral movements in October amounted to just under € -6,000. Parts have already been removed here for private topics.

current year:

My performance in the current year is +29,9% and thus above my benchmark, the MSCI World with 26.9%.

In total, my portfolio currently stands at ~345.000€. This corresponds to an absolute growth of ~€93,000 in the current year 2023. ~72.000€ of this comes from price gains, ~3.300€ from dividends / interest and ~16.000€ from additional investments.

Dividend:

• Dividends in November were 21% above the previous year at ~€160
• Procter & Gamble is in the lead with a (gross) dividend of €50 every 3 months.
• In the current year, the dividends after 11 months are +25% over the first 11 months of 2023 at ~2.500€

Buying & selling:

• I bought in November for significantly reduced ~700€
• As always, my savings plans were executed:
• Blue ChipsProcter & Gamble $PG (+2.23%) TSMC $TSM (-0.58%) S&P Global $SPGI (-0.29%) Alphabet $GOOGL (-2.28%) Johnson & Johnson $JNJ (+2.12%) Amgen $AMGN (+3.04%) Herhey $HSY (+4.29%) Alimentation Couche-Tard $ATD (-1.07%) Caterpillar $CAT (-2.26%)
• 
  GrowthBechtle $BC8 (-0.42%)
• 
  ETFsMSCI World $XDWD (-0.98%) Nikkei 225 $XDJP (+0.1%) and the WisdomTree Global Quality Dividend Growth $GGRP (-0.99%)
• 
  CryptoBitcoin $BTC (+0.72%) and Ethereum $ETH (+1.62%)
• 
  Sales as mentioned at the beginning, there was a larger part of my MSCI World holdings in November

Target 2024 & outlook 2025:

My goal for this year is to reach €300,000 in my portfolio. Due to the extremely positive market performance in the current year, my portfolio already stands at ~€345,000 at the end of November.

As is well known, one should not praise the day before the evening, but I am optimistic that my portfolio will not fall so far in December that I will not reach my target.

What will happen in 2025? The logical goal would of course be to reach €400,000. However, due to the upcoming house construction, part of the assets will be invested in the house construction. If I include the property in my statement of assets, the target of €400,000 would of course not change. However, as I am tracking my liquid assets here, I will probably refrain from doing so.

Therefore, my year-end target for 2025 will probably be closer to the final balance for 2024. So around €350,000 at the end of 2025.

How are things looking for you? Have you already thought about your plans for 2025?

#dividends

#dividende

#rückblick

#depotupdate

#aktie

#stocks

#etfs

#crypto

#personalstrategy