1Mês·

Trading - more than hectic trades and coffee consumption ☕☕☕☕

The image of a trader is often characterized by countless monitors, charts and ticking price information. Hours spent drinking coffee, rapid decisions, lots of stressful trades - this is exactly how many people imagine trading.

But the reality is completely different! 😎

For a long time now, I've wanted to write an article about trading and give interested community members a deeper insight. You often hear the infamous killer argument: "Don't do it, 80% lose money." But trading is much more than just a game of chance!

For me, "trading" has developed into an exciting hobby over the years, through which I can with little time investmentbut a serious approacha nice additional income can generate 💰💰💰💰

If you're interested in this topic, let me know! I'll be publishing more posts on the subject in the near future - especially for anyone who wants to learn more about trading.

As my time allows, I might take a closer look at the following questions in posts:

Trading vs. buy & hold - Which strategy suits whom?
Requirements for trading - What should you bring with you?
Time required - How much time is really necessary?
Trade frequency - How many trades do I make as a part-time hobby trader?
Capital - How much do I invest in my trades?
Profit vs. loss trades - My balance sheet for 2025 YTD
Income - What can you earn as a part-time trader?
Trading setup - Saving the most exciting for last - Which indicators do I use?

And, of course, I am also happy to answer specific questions.

What there will most certainly NOT be here:

❌Dubious Telegram channels or invitations to YT, Insta or other social media channels
❌Trading signals or unrealistic promises of profit
❌"Hot" tips - you won't find them among my friends or relatives, nor here!

I'm happy to share my personal experiences, but without any hocus-pocus or get-rich-quick promises. It's about honest exchange for everyone who is interested in trading!

Part 1 can be found here https://getqu.in/0Z6uNM/

Part 2 can be found here https://getqu.in/TVNdpR/

Part 3 can be found here https://getqu.in/9XGYtO/

Part 4 Deepdive indicators can be found here https://getqu.in/Ka18zh/

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114 Comentários

Epi@Epi

1Mês

I would find such a series of articles very interesting! I'm sure there's a lot to learn. 😊

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Chris@Multibagger

4Semana

@Epi I think it's great that you are also taking part in an exchange on a topic that is rather contrary to your very analytical, scientific approach. You can certainly learn something from each other that way.

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Epi@Epi

4Semana

@Multibagger A systematic trading approach is actually not that far removed from my strategies, the only difference being that I trade at longer intervals.
I would also like to optimize my intraday timing when implementing signals.
So there is still a lot for me to learn here!

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TomTurboInvest@TomTurboInvest

4Semana

@Epi I almost overlooked the comment from @Multibagger 😬
Scientifically ok 👍 but to take the "analytical" out of chart analysis, that hits me as an "analytically" inclined guy 🥲

Joking aside - @Epi have you ever considered using the VWAP instead of the SMA? SMAs at different time levels are only interesting for me to see the trend, but not at all to determine entry points.
It would be interesting to do a backtest, overlay a VWAP or anchored VWAP over your history and see how far away the trigger points for entries and exits are from your historical SMA entries/exits, and which was more advantageous for your strategy🤓

What I asked myself during the volatile weeks was whether a 2-week rhythm would be advantageous or disadvantageous instead of a monthly change?

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TomTurboInvest@TomTurboInvest

2Semana

@Epi There are now part 4 deepdive indicators - I would be really interested to know how your entries and exits would change in relation to the VWAP on a monthly, quarterly or even annual basis? Then the triggers would also be volume-oriented🧐

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Epi@Epi

1Semana

@TomTurboInvest I've been a bit busy, so I'm only now replying:

I have only dealt with VWAP a little. Unfortunately, I quickly encountered difficulties in obtaining the relevant data for somewhat exotic ETFs, e.g. ETF057. Do you have any tips on how I can access this data easily?

Otherwise, I try to keep the rules in GTAA as simple as possible. Above all, to ensure economic plausibility and long-term robustness. Basically, I want to trade a maximum of once a month on a fixed day, preferably at the turn of the month. However, I could imagine making my system a little more flexible and moving an upcoming asset change forward or backward by a few days in order to optimize the entry and exit points. For example: the momentum signal for asset A says buy on April 1. But the price has just risen sharply and run into resistance (however defined). I could then "reserve" the corresponding capital and wait until the price has cooled down a little before entering. If I could get in or out about 1% more effectively with each trade in this way, I think the CAGR could rise significantly.

Would you have any tips on how I can go about finding good parameters for such a modification of the strategy?

Thank you in advance!

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TomTurboInvest@TomTurboInvest

1Semana

@Epi I am of course not the specialist when it comes to your GTAA rules, but especially if the momentum signal is supposed to be the trigger, I could imagine that a volume-weighted signal like the VWAP is even better at momentum, but that's just a guess...

Regarding the ETF057, on TradingVIew I can only find 2 trading places (LS and LSX) where only the LSX has relevant volumes. Since the ETF has apparently only been traded since October 7, there is no SMA 200 yet, but I'll make a post later with a long possible SMA and monthly VWAP - just for comparison. As a GTAA specialist, you can certainly draw better conclusions from this

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GeldGenie@GeldGenie

1Mês

Love the post and like to follow.

Not a fan of tagging the non-affected stocks (Even though I can understand extending the reach).

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TomTurboInvest@TomTurboInvest

1Mês

@GeldGenie I understand, but without shares the post usually goes completely under or doesn't appear to many. But in my defense😉, these are also stocks that I like to trade and where I've been posting from time to time recently.

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GeldGenie@GeldGenie

1Mês

@TomTurboInvest

Welcome to my world when I post about budget, CHF or macroeconomics 😂

Make links to old posts (possibly good anyway if someone doesn't know you yet) and then mention the stock. I can let that slide. 😜

Like your posts. Great work 😊👍 Thanks!

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TomTurboInvest@TomTurboInvest

1Mês

@GeldGenie have added a few links from the posts of the recent past 😅
I hope this works for you 🫣😂
Greetings to Switzerland - PS: I am often in the vicinity of Zurich

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GeldGenie@GeldGenie

1Mês

@TomTurboInvest
Helps too, I think 👍 Expect a 25% share of your followers' success # 😜

Greetings back to the neighbor. 😉 Live/work in Zug since last year. ZH wouldn't be far away 👍

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Ben K.@BenKar91

1Mês

Just had a look at some of your posts and your profile. You definitely have added value and it's because of people like you that I use this platform. I'd love to see more, I'm looking forward to your future posts.

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TomTurboInvest@TomTurboInvest

2Semana

@BenKar91 With today's part 4, the essentials have been written and, I hope, you should have gotten a good insight. I'm glad if there is interest in the topic 😁

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𝒻𝓇𝓊𝑔𝒶𝓁 𝒻𝓇𝑒𝒾 𝓈𝑒𝒾𝓃 🗽@frugalfreisein

1Mês

Yes, I would be particularly interested to know which indicators you use and which stocks you trade. I've tried my hand at certificates so far, some of them went really well and one went bloody wrong.

I also want to turn trading into a source of income to top up the dividends and put some of the profits back into the portfolios. However, I need a way to do it with little time commitment, as my job and other things keep me very busy.

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TomTurboInvest@TomTurboInvest

1Mês

@frugalfreisein Spoiler: the time commitment will surprise most people

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𝒻𝓇𝓊𝑔𝒶𝓁 𝒻𝓇𝑒𝒾 𝓈𝑒𝒾𝓃 🗽@frugalfreisein

1Mês

@TomTurboInvest I think you work with SMA or MACD and only when something overlaps do you place a trade, the whole thing hedged with S/L. In any case, I'll be surprised. :)

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LoneMelone@TradingMelone

1Mês

@TomTurboInvest Yes, maybe in the end, but it takes a while to get there.

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TomTurboInvest@TomTurboInvest

4Semana

@TradingMelone assuming, of course, that you are familiar with chart analysis. If this is new to you, it takes an investment to learn it, as with everything...

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LoneMelone@TradingMelone

4Semana

@TomTurboInvest do you have Discord ?

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TomTurboInvest@TomTurboInvest

4Semana

@TradingMelone no - apart from GQ, I am a "cybermof" and only consume information passively, e.g. via Insta

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LoneMelone@TradingMelone

4Semana

@TomTurboInvest mhh that's a pity, I would have liked to invite you to a group.

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TomTurboInvest@TomTurboInvest

2Semana

@frugalfreisein With today's part 4, the essentials have been written and you should, I hope, have gained a good insight. I'm glad if there is interest in the topic 😁

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Pat@paradoxx

1Mês

Get something out. Still have a bunch of coins to distribute 😉

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TomTurboInvest@TomTurboInvest

1Mês

@paradoxx ah, you were the winner of my 21,000 coins 👍

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Max@MaxScheu

1Mês

Very interesting what you write there. 😊 I have to follow you right away.

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Golden Boy@randomdude

1Mês

I would be particularly interested to know what return p.a. on the overall trading portfolio can be achieved depending on the time invested in your experience. Is it possible to beat the MSCI World?
I always read here about successful (or sometimes failed) trades, usually with a few 100 euros invested. But is it also possible to manage a portfolio in the mid six-figure range?

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Chris@Multibagger

4Semana

@randomdude The return naturally depends on your risk appetite. My goal is always at least 45% per year. To achieve this, I use around 50% of my portfolio for trading. The stake doesn't matter, in percentage terms it's the same whether you do it with 10,000, 100,000 or 1 million. If I buy 1000 shares, you just buy 10,000. You have to separate yourself from the absolute figures, otherwise you will be ruined if a trade goes wrong. I always calculate in % and set myself percentage profit targets for each trade. When these are reached, I consistently move the SL mark to that point. The same applies to losses. I set myself a maximum loss target that I am prepared to bear. I also only ever put a maximum of 3-5% of the total portfolio value into a security. At the moment I am almost fully invested and my 50% trading volume is spread over 17 positions.

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Golden Boy@randomdude

4Semana

@Multibagger Interesting, thanks for the insight. Does the 45% return apply to the entire portfolio or to the 50%?
And how much time do you invest?

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Chris@Multibagger

4Semana

@randomdude on the total portfolio. The actual trading effort is relatively low. But I read a lot, as I tend to trade based on fundamental data rather than technical indicators.

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TomTurboInvest@TomTurboInvest

4Semana

@randomdude I don't want to spoil too much, as @Multibagger has already written, it always depends on the stake or position size.
If I couldn't beat a world ETF or a good dividend portfolio, then I wouldn't trade. The proportion I trade with is always in the range of 10-15% of the total portfolio, but this proportion is in the 6-digit range and the position sizes are accordingly in the mid 4-digit to 5-digit range.

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Marty@MiamiMarty

1Mês

I'm very interested, as I'm currently doing a lot of trading and would like to try my hand at it.

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TomTurboInvest@TomTurboInvest

2Semana

@MiamiMarty With today's part 4, the essentials have been written and you should, I hope, have gained a good insight. I'm glad if there is interest in the topic 😁

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TomTurboInvest@TomTurboInvest

4Semana

Wow - I'm glad if there's interest in trading, then I'll start with the first part on Monday😁

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Jurboss@Jurboss

1Mês

I would also like to know more about this. I am currently following a buy & hold strategy, but had a demo account for CFD trading a few years ago.

Here's what I find particularly interesting at the moment.

- Can you get so far into the red in trading that you are liable to make additional contributions?

- What about taxes on trades? Are there automatic tax deductions and loss offsets?

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TomTurboInvest@TomTurboInvest

1Mês

@Jurboss B&H does not exclude trading, my core is also B&H. More details will follow in the articles 😊

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Chris@Multibagger

4Semana

@Jurboss I don't think @TomTurboInvest does CFD trading. You can't really do that as a hobby either. Of course I know professionals who only do it from 15-18:00, but that's the exception. I don't do CFD trading either, because the risk of loss is too great for me, because you can lose more than your stake. In contrast to @TomTurboInvest, I trade more with derivatives and he trades more with shares. But both are possible, depending on risk tolerance, capital to be invested, etc.

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Jurboss@Jurboss

4Semana

@Multibagger Okay, thanks for the clarification. CFD trading is also too risky for me personally. I also have derivatives from time to time when there are major losses and extreme rises in quality stocks. But so far I've only had one major success.

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Chiefwiggum@Hidalidsch

1Mês

I'm definitely interested and would be very happy if you could tell us more about it🤩

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LoneMelone@TradingMelone

1Mês

But it's all down to Trump anyway...

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TomTurboInvest@TomTurboInvest

1Mês

@TradingMelone I was already trading before Trump 🤣
Joking aside, a trader doesn't care what the reason for the vola is, right? You are one too 👆

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LoneMelone@TradingMelone

1Mês

@TomTurboInvest Sure, I'm just kidding.

I like to call myself a trader yes. Others probably call us long-term gambling addicts🥴😂

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Iza B.@Iza0475

1Mês

Very interesting! love to read and learn about it!😁

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TomTurboInvest@TomTurboInvest

2Semana

@Iza0475 With today's part 4, the essentials have been written and you should, I hope, have gained a good insight. I'm glad if there is interest in the topic 😁

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“Klaatu_Barada_Nikto!“@Ash

1Mês

I'm looking forward to it 👍🏼

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__Chrstph__@__Chrstph__

1Mês

I would be very interested 🤓

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AnyoneForTennis@AnyoneForTennis

1Mês

I'm very excited!

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Lukas@mastermindLukas

1Mês

We've been waiting for this and it's finally here! 😍

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Andreas@Harley63

1Mês

I'm in ;)

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Stephan K.@StrahlemannLP

4Semana

Sure, it's always good to learn something new. I'd be there!

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Mäx@M_P_V

4Semana

nice idea, thanks, I'm interested.

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F@Cai-pirinha

4Semana

I would find it very interesting if you had the time and inclination to shed some light on it from time to time! 👍

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Mätzy@Maepsylon

4Semana

I personally find that very exciting! 👍

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Chris@Multibagger

4Semana

I'm already a follower anyway and am happy about every exchange with members of the community here who, like me, belong to the minority of traders here.😉😂 I would also find it interesting to share trades and exchange ideas about them when you enter them. Then everyone can decide whether to follow it or not.

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John@Doe

4Semana

Such contributions are a real added value for qetquin and the community. So more of them are welcome 🙏🏼

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BockaufDividenden@BockaufDividenden

4Semana

I would love to get to grips with it, but you read and see so much on the internet that you can't see the wood for the trees.

I've also been able to sell a few positions with leverage here and there with a good profit, but I've also fallen flat on my face with a total loss (but have long since made up for it)

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JanoschYa@JanoschYa

4Semana

A great idea. I really wanted to start or recharge my knowledge during the summer vacation. In this respect, it would fit very well and I would be delighted if you could (continue to) impart knowledge to us.

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Malyateny@Malyateny

4Semana

Great interest!

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Christian@Investor-College

4Semana

@TomTurboInvest I would welcome that! Question: Would you recommend an apprenticeship/training course at https://www.tradingfreaks.com/, for example? They give me a pretty good impression. However, I don't know the costs.

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BoersePG@BoersePG

3Semana

I'd love more!

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Cris@crifrieli

3Semana

That's what I call a real gain, sharing these insights with the community here! I think it will take a lot of work in this direction to clear up all the preconceptions about trading.
Thank you Tom for going the extra mile. ✌🏻

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