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Multi-billion opportunity or chip shop?

Stock market high-flyer or pipe-dropper?


I'm asking these questions in such a provocative way because I believe that this fairly accurately reflects the various assessments of $NOVO B (+1,41 %) here in the community.

Personally, I think that all 4 terms don't really hit the mark and that the truth lies more in the middle. Although my pendulum tends to swing towards the worse option. But that's not such a surprise for most people here.


So I've put together a short list of pros and cons that led me to this assessment.

Pros:

Many years of experience in the diabetes market with successfully launched products!

Strong foothold in the booming obesity market and therefore weight loss products

Strong product pipeline

Good dividend payer

Reasonable valuation as long as the targets are achieved


Cons:

almost all sales come from a very competitive market

targets have recently been revised downwards several times

Focus on a health topic with diabetes and weight loss that everyone wants to get into

Price pressure leading to lower earnings and thus also jeopardizing targets and dividends

Serious price cuts in the USA, which will be officially announced in the deal with the US government on Thursday.


And it is precisely this last point that forms the basis of my assessment that $NOVO B (+1,41 %) will be under €35 in the near future, if not under €30. I know that many people will now come along and say that I'm forgetting that they will get access to Medicare in return, and that this will more than compensate for the loss of sales due to the price reduction. I'm very skeptical about that. If in the USA a product with a comparable effect and the same cost were to be produced by a multi-billion dollar US corporation $LLY (+1,67 %) or from a comparatively Danish chip shop called $NOVO B (+1,41 %) patriotic Americans, with the support of their patriotic America First President, will always opt for the American product.


But of course, things could turn out quite differently and the oral efficacy of the Novo drug could suddenly be twice as high as that of the Danish product. $LLY (+1,67 %) then all $NOVO B (+1,41 %) investors here will rejoice and I would wish you all the best. I just don't have the faith.

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I don't understand why you should invest in a company where there are so many? There are.
Where there are enough good companies in the sector.
Is it the desire to take risks?
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I agree with you on many points. The investment is a coin flip on a short-term basis. Nevertheless, I remain bullish if prices fall below 30. Why? Because even if most of the sales are in America and the majority vote for Lilly, there is enough room on the market. Lilly is too expensive for me in terms of valuation, but I would get in if there were a strong setback, but I don't think that will happen in the near future. I've got my profits running, I'll take the next upward trend and stay in and I'm not interested unless something big happens in the company again. The only real reason why the share fell was the high valuation, political uncertainty, failure to meet future expectations and management changes. As long as money flows into the company and investments are made in the future, debt is reduced again, then I will stay in. I also thought Bayer was a gift at 18 euros , detto 1to1 , now let profits run and take the rest with you. At Amgen 5 children could die next year and the share is down 50%, I mean that's pharma, pipeline investment in the future phases of the drugs decides the rest comes by itself. Novo is expanding its pipeline, investing in America and abroad, management has been changed and now we'll see what next year brings and what direction the company takes, but so far I see no reason to get out.
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Google mal Ozempic Face
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@TechNav You can then have this injected again with Botox 😂😎
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@TechNav Surprise, when you lose weight, the fatty tissue on your face also disappears and your skin will sag. You can gain weight again and all will be well. https://www.apotheken-umschau.de/gesund-bleiben/abnehmen/ozempic-face-durch-abnehmspritze-ursachen-und-behandlung-1356061.html
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Isn't it the case that the prices in America are more likely to affect all the pharma beneficiaries (middlemen)?

I've heard that they make up over 2/3 of the final price.
I thought Trump had declared war on them?
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@Malte123 Then he wouldn't need to make pharmaceutical deals with the manufacturers.
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@Multibagger you are right, Novo Nordisk will certainly not have to make the price cuts alone.
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The risk of Semaglutide becoming the Danish Monsanto would be too great for me.
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You must not forget that it is a pharmaceutical company. There are always regulatory problems in the pharmaceutical sector. The decisions and regulations of the government have more influence on the companies than just the pure product of the company. That and the obviously not so great management of the company with public infighting. As I said before, I thought this was actually a very risky bet for me. No matter what ATH price it used to be. My Two Cents. :D
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There are always exaggerations in all directions, and at the moment we are probably dealing with a blatant exaggeration to the downside. As always, in phases of exaggeration you can never say exactly where the end of the line has been reached. From my humble point of view, I'm buying today! Not at 120 euros, not at 80 euros, but at 38.xx euros.
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At what point would buy prices be reached for you?
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@TotallyLost If you mean me, then definitely below €35, or even better €32. Then I would take a derivative with a base of €29 and speculate on a comeback to around €40.
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I am considering taking $NOVO B NOVO out of my savings plan and $ABT in.
$NOVO B, $ORSTED, $CADLR Danish stocks have had a really tough year.
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