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🚀 The Second Wave of AI: From Billion-Dollar Investments to Monetization. Depot 2036 – Which Companies Are Profiting from Artificial Intelligence?

Hello, everyone,

Even though the current AI correction might make some of you less inclined to invest in tech stocks,

Take comfort in this: my portfolio has also taken quite a beating.

And despite the news about a few financing problems here and there, superintelligence can no longer be stopped.

Because, in my opinion, we’re already in the

  • second wave –

And that’s exactly what today’s presentation—which I’d already started with ServiceNow—is all about.


The first wave of AI shaped the stock market: Nvidia, memory manufacturers, semiconductor equipment suppliers, data centers, and their suppliers took center stage. Companies invested billions in GPUs, networks, memory, and power supplies.

Now a crucial next phase is beginning: How can these investments be turned into a profitable business model?

Who pays for AI? Which companies can sell their products at a higher price? Where are entirely new markets emerging? And which companies from the Depot 2036 could benefit from this development?


I would bet on the second wave of AI into six major areas:

AI monetization: Software companies that generate additional revenue through AI.

AI agents: Software that not only responds but also performs tasks independently.

AI Cybersecurity: Protection against AI-powered attacks and securing autonomous systems.

Vertical AI: Specialized applications in medicine, pharmaceuticals, and other industries.

Industrial AI: The integration of artificial intelligence with machines, factories, and robots.

The infrastructure behind the second wave: Data, networks, sensors, and industrial control systems.


My central thesis is:

The next exciting hunt for hidden gem stocks begins where AI delivers measurable economic results—and no longer merely consumes computing power.

For the Portfolio 2036 , this is particularly exciting because I already hold companies from several of these sectors.


A Comparison of the First and Second Waves of AI

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https://intelgic.com/industrial-automation-ai-machine-vision-systems?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://airisdynamics.com/blog/computer-vision-manufacturing?utm_source=chatgpt.com

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The two waves will overlap in time. The second wave does not replace the first, but rather builds upon it.

Powerful AI still requires memory, networks, data centers, and energy. But as its adoption grows, the crucial question shifts:

Which companies can claim a share of the economic benefits?


This is the point where we need to take a closer look in our stock analysis.

My friends, this is once again about stock picking—feel free to check out my post on the topic.


2. AI Monetization: Which software companies are already making money?

This is where I’d start. After all, we don’t have to wait for some distant future to find the first evidence of viable business models.

There are companies where AI is already evident in revenue figures, contract volumes, or rising demand.


$NOW (-4,97 %)

2.1 ServiceNow – AI as a Paid Employee

(Feel free to check out my overview of ServiceNow)


For me, ServiceNow is one of the most interesting examples when it comes to understanding how companies can monetize AI.

The company automates workflows in large organizations. This includes IT services, human resources, customer service, and other business processes.

This new development goes beyond a simple chatbot.

For example, an AI agent can:

  • detect an IT issue,
  • analyze the cause,
  • develop a proposed solution,
  • carry out defined actions,
  • and document the process.

The key difference: The AI doesn’t just answer a question—it takes on part of the actual work.


Key metric

Result


Quarterly revenue

$3.987 billion


Revenue growth

+24%


Subscription revenue growth

+24.5%


Annual Contract Value of ServiceNow AI

Over $1 billion


Remaining performance obligations

$29 billion


The company also raised its revenue forecast for the full year. The number of productive agent-based AI implementations had increased ninefold within nine months.

https://investor.servicenow.com/news/news-details/2026/ServiceNow-Reports-Second-Quarter-2026-Financial-Results/default.aspx?utm_source=chatgpt.com


Why is this important for the second wave of AI?

ServiceNow demonstrates that AI can be more than just a value-added feature. It can become a standalone growth driver for an established software company.

What I would keep an eye on

  • How quickly is the contract value of AI products growing?
  • Are additional features actually subject to fees?
  • Can customers demonstrably reduce staffing costs and processing times?
  • Will growth remain strong once the initial experimental phase is over?

Depot 2036 Assessment: ServiceNow is a good benchmark company for AI monetization. However, this is not proof that every software stock will benefit from this trend.


$DDOG (-7,38 %)

2.2 Datadog – Monitoring, Securing, and Controlling AI

Datadog is particularly interesting for the second wave of AI because AI systems increase technical complexity.

Companies must not only monitor their traditional applications; they must also understand what their AI models and agents are doing.

This includes questions such as:

  • Why is an AI model suddenly delivering poorer results?
  • Which query is causing particularly high costs?
  • Where are delays occurring?
  • What data is being processed?
  • Did an autonomous agent trigger an error?
  • Has an AI system possibly been compromised?

Datadog is therefore expanding its platform to include AI monitoring, security, and automation.


The numbers point to high demand

In the second quarter of 2026, Datadog achieved:


Metric

Result


Quarterly Revenue

$1.12 billion


Revenue growth

+36%


Free cash flow

$279 million


Customers with at least $100,000 in ARR

Approximately 4,720


The company also launched additional AI features, including autonomous capabilities for detecting, investigating, and resolving issues.

https://datadog.gcs-web.com/news-releases/news-release-details/datadog-announces-second-quarter-2026-financial-results?utm_source=chatgpt.com


My Thesis

The more AI applications are put into productive use in enterprises, the greater the need to monitor these systems and operate them cost-effectively.

Datadog can generate revenue in several areas: traditional cloud monitoring, security, and the increasing complexity of AI applications.

The risk: With usage-based business models, customers can optimize their spending. Strong AI growth therefore does not necessarily lead to a proportional increase in profits.

Context: An interesting candidate for combining AI, the cloud, and cybersecurity.


$SNOW (-8,37 %)

2.3 Snowflake – No Data, No Intelligent AI

Snowflake addresses a key weakness in many AI projects: while companies possess large data sets, they cannot readily make them usable for AI.

An AI model is of limited value if it does not understand the company’s internal data, rules, and business processes.

Snowflake enables companies to store, process, and make data available for analytics and AI applications.

With offerings such as Cortex AI, the platform is increasingly becoming an environment where companies can apply AI directly to their data.


Recent Developments

In the second quarter of fiscal year 2027, Snowflake reported:


Key Figure

Result


Quarterly Revenue

$1.55 billion


Product revenue

$1.49 billion


Growth in product revenue

+37%


Net revenue retention

126%


Remaining service obligations

$9 billion


Snowflake subsequently raised its forecast for product revenue in fiscal year 2027. The company attributed the stronger performance, among other factors, to demand for AI applications.

https://investors.snowflake.com/financials/quarterly-results/default.aspx?trk=article-ssr-frontend-pulse_little-text-block&utm_source=chatgpt.com


Put simply, a net revenue retention rate of 126% means that existing customers generate, on average, 26% more revenue than in the corresponding prior-year period, before accounting for the impact of churn.

Why Snowflake Is Exciting

Snowflake could benefit from a trend in which companies are increasingly building AI applications on top of their own data.

The potential growth cycle:

More AI applications → more data processing → more platform usage → additional revenue.

However, Snowflake isn’t automatically a winner for every AI application. Customers can reduce costs, make data processing more efficient, or use alternative platforms.

Classification: A candidate for monetizing the data foundation of AI.


$CRM (-2,39 %)

2.4 Salesforce – When AI Directly Serves Customers

Salesforce is pursuing a different strategy with Agentforce.

The company integrates AI agents into existing business processes. For example, they can handle customer inquiries, support sales representatives, and automate service workflows.

Of particular interest here is the existing customer base: Salesforce already has customer data, business processes, and enterprise applications into which AI can be integrated.

In the second quarter of fiscal year 2027, Salesforce reported:


Key Figure

Result


Quarterly Revenue

$11.3 billion


Revenue growth

+11%


Agentforce ARR

Over $1.5 billion


Agentforce and Data 360 ARR

Just under $3.9 billion


Growth of Agentforce and Data 360 ARR

Over +210%


The AI and data metrics cited refer to the annual recurring revenue as defined by Salesforce; they should not be equated with actual quarterly revenue

Salesforce liefert Rekordergebnisse für das Geschäftsjahr 2027 im zweiten Quartal – Salesforce


This is an important distinction: A rising annual contract value indicates that customers are willing to pay for AI. However, it does not, on its own, show how profitable these products will be in the long term.

Salesforce must prove that Agentforce drives additional growth and does not merely replace existing software revenue.

My assessment

With its established customer relationships, data, and business processes, Salesforce possesses key prerequisites for AI monetization.

The decisive factor will be whether AI agents deliver sufficient economic value for companies to continue paying for them over the long term.


$CSU (-3,1 %)

2.5 And what about Constellation Software?

Here’s where it gets interesting for Portfolio 2036 .

Because I’m already invested here.


Constellation Software follows a different business model than ServiceNow or Salesforce.

The company acquires specialized software providers that often solve very specific industry problems. These applications are often deeply embedded in their customers’ workflows.

For example, one can imagine software that supports a specific municipal administration, a specialized service provider, or a niche provider in the industry.


Why could AI be a major opportunity here?

Many of these applications share three characteristics:

Specialized data: They contain industry-specific information that general AI models do not automatically possess.

Well-established workflows: The software is integrated into customers’ daily routines.

High barriers to switching: Switching can be costly and risky, especially when core business processes are involved.

AI could add new features to these applications: automated document processing, smarter search functions, forecasting, or the automation of recurring tasks.

The company does not need to develop the leading AI model itself to achieve this.

It could leverage existing AI technologies to make its industry-specific applications more attractive.


The Key Difference

With ServiceNow and Salesforce, we see concrete AI platforms with proven contract metrics.

With Constellation Software, the investment thesis is more a matter of long-term execution:

  • How quickly will the individual software companies integrate AI?
  • Can they generate additional revenue?
  • How high are the costs for development and external AI services?
  • Will customer loyalty remain high even if AI makes it easier to develop new competing products?

I would therefore view Constellation Software as a potential indirect beneficiary of the second wave of AI .

An important caveat: AI can also make the development of competing software cheaper. This could put pressure on individual niche providers.

This is an interesting thesis for the 2036 portfolio, but we shouldn’t automatically assume that Constellation has already achieved the same level of direct AI monetization as ServiceNow.


4. Cybersecurity: The AI wave creates new vulnerabilities

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This sector could become one of the structurally most important winners of the second wave of AI.

Why?

AI not only reduces the effort required for productive activities; it can also facilitate the automation of cyberattacks.

At the same time, new risks are emerging from AI agents that access corporate data, operate applications, and, in some cases, carry out actions autonomously.

Companies therefore need additional security mechanisms.

In this context, we must distinguish between two markets:

  • Traditional IT security: Protecting networks, endpoints, identities, and cloud systems.
  • AI security: Controlling AI models, agents, their permissions, data access, and actions.

Many companies will need both areas.


$PANW (-8,17 %)

3.1 Palo Alto Networks

Palo Alto Networks covers several areas of cybersecurity, including network security, cloud security, and enterprise security platforms.

The strategic opportunity lies in the fact that customers could consolidate as many security functions as possible into a single, integrated platform.

With the increasing use of AI, additional requirements are emerging for securing applications and infrastructure.

Palo Alto Networks reported strong financial results for the fourth quarter of its 2026 fiscal year and highlighted demand for its network and AI security platforms, Cortex and Idira. The company added nearly one billion U.S. dollars in additional annual contract value in the Next-Generation Security segment during the quarter.

https://www.paloaltonetworks.com/company/press/2026/palo-alto-networks-reports-fiscal-fourth-quarter-and-fiscal-year-2026-financial-results?utm_source=chatgpt.com


What I’d be watching for

  • Growth in the recurring security business.
  • New AI security products and actual customer demand for them.
  • Free cash flow trends.
  • Costs and integration of acquisitions.
  • Ability to compete against established and new competitors.

Investment thesis: Palo Alto Networks could benefit as companies expand and consolidate their security architectures in light of increasing AI usage.

However, this is not a risk-free market: high expectations, competition, and potential security incidents can influence the company’s valuation and customer confidence.


$FTNT (-7,17 %)

3.2 Fortinet

Fortinet combines networking technology and security.

This is interesting because AI not only requires additional software but also needs to communicate reliably and securely with corporate networks.

As data centers, industrial facilities, and cloud systems become increasingly interconnected, the importance of network security is growing.

Fortinet could therefore benefit in two ways:

  • through the expansion of traditional network security;
  • by meeting the rising security requirements of more complex, AI-powered infrastructures.

However, not every additional AI application automatically translates into an additional order for Fortinet.

The key factor remains whether the company can offer compelling benefits over existing security solutions and gain market share.


$NET (-6,71 %)

3.3 Cloudflare

Cloudflare is particularly interesting because the company operates at the intersection of network infrastructure, application security, and developer platforms.

The AI wave could open up several opportunities for Cloudflare:

  • running AI applications closer to users;
  • protecting data and applications against attacks;
  • Providing developers with a platform for AI applications;
  • efficiently routing traffic between users, applications, and AI systems.

This is a different approach than that of pure-play software providers.

Cloudflare could benefit as more and more companies develop and deploy AI applications without wanting to operate their entire infrastructure themselves.

The risk: Competition for cloud and AI infrastructure is intense. Additionally, monetizing AI services may initially require significant investment.


$ALLIX (-0,71 %)

3.4 My Portfolio 2036 Stock: WALLIX

Now we come to a particularly interesting company for the second wave of AI.

WALLIX specializes in identity and access management, particularly in controlling privileged access.

Why might this become more important in the AI era?

Imagine an AI agent that is not only allowed to read information, but also to:

  • access internal corporate systems;
  • modify databases;
  • initiate production processes;
  • manage user accounts;
  • perform administrative actions.

This raises a new security question:

Who is authorized to grant this AI which permissions—and who monitors what it actually does?

This is where identity and access management becomes a critical component of a secure AI infrastructure.

The Potential Role of WALLIX

WALLIX could benefit from increasing demands for privileged access and the control of digital identities.

It’s important not to overpromise: The traditional protection of human administrators and technical accounts is already an established business area. The additional demand for securing autonomous AI agents is an opportunity whose actual economic significance remains to be seen.

In May 2026, WALLIX published a statement on sovereign AI cybersecurity and its partner network. The company is thus expanding its positioning in this field.

https://www.wallix.com/de/ueber-uns/newsroom/?utm_source=chatgpt.com


I will be keeping an eye on three things at WALLIX

1. AI agents and privileged access

Will concrete products emerge that securely manage AI agents and control their permissions?

2. New customers and larger contracts

Will this area become a measurable growth driver, or will it remain primarily a strategic positioning for now?

3. Recurring revenue and profitability

Can WALLIX translate its market position into rising revenue and better margins over the long term?


My assessment for the 2036 portfolio

I view WALLIX as an interesting company for illustrating the AI security thesis.

The potential upside lies in the fact that more and more autonomous systems require controlled access rights.

At the same time, we must keep an eye on the company’s size, competitive position, and actual market penetration.

The key question is not only whether AI requires more security, but whether WALLIX can capture a economically significant share of this additional demand.


5. Healthcare and Pharmaceuticals: AI Is Becoming a Specialized Tool

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In the healthcare sector, the second wave of AI could prove particularly interesting, as it brings together large volumes of data, complex processes, and stringent documentation requirements.

AI does not necessarily have to discover a new drug to generate economic value.

It can also help to

  • plan clinical trials more efficiently;
  • review medical documents;
  • meet regulatory requirements;
  • consolidate data from various sources;
  • automate processes in drug development.

Specialized software companies, in particular, could develop new business models from this.


$VEEV (-1,32 %)

4.1 Veeva Systems

Veeva develops software specifically for the pharmaceutical and biotechnology industries.

Among other things, the company supports clinical research, quality management, regulatory documentation, and commercial processes.

This specialization is crucial: A general AI model does not automatically understand the industry-specific requirements and workflows that play a role in the development and marketing of drugs.

AI as an Additional Product Layer

With its AI offerings, Veeva is developing solutions designed to automate workflows in the pharmaceutical industry, among other things.

One example is Falcon, which provides AI capabilities for reviewing medical, legal, and regulatory content.

This could help companies streamline certain review processes.

In the second quarter of fiscal year 2027, Veeva reported:


Key Figure

Result


Total Revenue

$928 million


Revenue Growth

+18%


Subscription Revenue

$766.8 million


Subscription Revenue Growth

+16%


The company also reported progress on its AI offerings and strong performance from Vault CRM

https://ir.veeva.com/financials/quarterly-results/default.aspx?languageid=1&utm_source=chatgpt.com


What makes Veeva an attractive investment?

Veeva combines three key attributes:

Specialized software for a complex industry.

Long-standing customer relationships and established workflows.

The ability to integrate AI into existing products.

The key question is whether AI will further strengthen customer loyalty and generate additional revenue growth.

One risk is that new AI providers could offer individual workflows at lower prices. Veeva must therefore demonstrate the value of its integrated platform.


$EXLS (+0,89 %)

4.2 My Portfolio 2036 Stock: EXL Service

EXL takes a slightly different approach.

EXL combines data analytics, AI, and services to improve business processes for clients.

Among other things, the company works with data-intensive industries such as insurance, financial services, and healthcare.

This is interesting in the context of the second wave of AI because many companies need more than just an AI model.

They need someone who understands their data, analyzes their processes, and integrates the technology into their operations.

Where might the opportunity lie?

EXL could benefit if customers become increasingly willing to redesign business processes using AI.


Examples include:

  • automated processing of insurance claims;
  • support for the analysis of medical data;
  • smarter customer service;
  • automated document processing;
  • forecasting and decision support.

The key point: EXL doesn’t just sell software. The company can also generate revenue from the implementation and deployment of AI solutions.

This opens up opportunities but also carries additional risk.


If AI replaces human labor, traditional service revenues could come under pressure. EXL must therefore demonstrate that the added value generated by AI products, data expertise, and more complex services more than offsets this effect.


EXL is of interest to the 2036 portfolio because monetizing AI doesn’t have to rely solely on software licenses. Companies that integrate AI into real-world business processes could also benefit.


5. Industrial AI: This is where the second wave could become particularly tangible

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Now we come to the area I find particularly exciting for long-term development: the connection between AI and the real world of industry.

An AI agent that writes a text is one thing.

An AI system that monitors a production facility, analyzes machine conditions, suggests maintenance measures, and coordinates robots is something else entirely.

This is where software meets the physical world.

And that is precisely what could trigger the next major investment phase.


5.1 Current Developments in Germany

The federal government is working to integrate industrial AI more deeply into the economy.

As early as April 2026, Chancellor Friedrich Merz highlighted the opportunities presented by industrial AI at the Hannover Messe. In July, the federal government, industry, and the research community realigned the Industry 4.0 platform to focus more on industrial AI, with the goal of making data-driven and AI-based applications the standard in German industry by 2030

https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-de/aktuelles/kanzler-kuenstliche-intelligenz-industrie-2422036?utm_source=chatgpt.com


On October 16, 2026, the Tagesschau news program also reported on a planned collaboration between the federal government and Nvidia to promote industrial AI. According to the report, German companies such as Siemens are also expected to be involved; the focus will be on, among other things, physical AI and smart factories. At the time of the report, the collaboration was the subject of ongoing planning and media coverage.

https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/technologie/nvidia-bundesregierung-ki-100.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com


For us as investors, one thing in particular is of interest here:

When AI moves from the digital world into factories and machines, new opportunities arise for companies that understand industrial processes.

These include automation, sensor technology, industrial communication, control technology, and software.


$SIE (-1,31 %)

5.2 Siemens – The Connection Between AI and Manufacturing

I’m invested in Siemens through Portfolio 2036.


Siemens is particularly relevant to this development.

The company has expertise in industrial automation, control technology, digital twins, and industrial software.

These areas can be combined to use AI not only for analysis but also to integrate it into production processes.

An example

A factory wants to make its production more efficient.

To do this, the AI system must:

Collect machine data.

Understand production processes.

Detect deviations.

Assess the impact on quality and throughput.

Suggest improvements.

Implement changes into production in a controlled manner.

Siemens is active at several of these levels.

Its strength lies not only in AI itself, but in the combination of software, automation, and industrial experience.


Why is this important for Depot 2036?

Siemens could benefit from industrial AI without having to develop the leading general-purpose AI model itself.

The company can integrate AI with its existing automation and software solutions.

At the same time, one should not assume that every industrial AI initiative will immediately lead to high additional revenue.

Implementation in factories is complex. Customers must integrate systems, ensure data quality, and meet safety requirements.

My thesis: Siemens could become a major beneficiary once industrial AI moves from pilot projects to full-scale production.


$HMS (-1,56 %)

5.3 HMS Networks – Industrial Data Traffic

HMS Networks is significantly smaller and more specialized than Siemens.

The company offers solutions for industrial communication and networking.

Why could this become important in the second wave of AI?

A smart factory needs more than just AI models. Machines, sensors, controllers, and software must communicate with one another.

In practice, industrial systems are often heterogeneous. Machines from different manufacturers, using different protocols and belonging to different generations, must be connected to one another.

HMS Networks operates in this environment.


The Potential AI Leverage

As more production facilities are digitized, the demand for the following is likely to increase:

  • industrial networking;
  • reliable data transmission;
  • interfaces between different systems;
  • remote maintenance and monitoring;
  • secure communication between machines.

AI requires this data to understand production processes.

This gives rise to an interesting indirect investment thesis:

More industrial AI can generate greater demand for industrial communication.

However, this does not necessarily translate proportionally into revenue growth. Demand also depends on the industry’s overall willingness to invest, competition, and the scale of new plant projects.

HMS Networks would therefore be a candidate worth watching in the context of industrial AI.


$MUM (+0,43 %)

5.4 Mensch und Maschine – AI in the Design Process

Human and Machine is also interesting because AI can be used not only in production but also as early as the product design phase.

The company specializes in CAD/CAM and engineering software as well as related services.

Here, for example, AI could help accelerate design processes, automate repetitive tasks, and analyze technical data more efficiently.

The business opportunity lies in the fact that engineers can get more work done with existing resources.

However, there is one key difference compared to a traditional AI platform provider:

Mensch und Maschine does not necessarily have to develop its own large AI models to benefit. Rather, the company could create added value by integrating new AI functions into established engineering workflows.

The following questions would be particularly crucial for the analysis:

  • Which AI functions are actually offered?
  • How do they change the demand for the products?
  • Can higher prices or additional revenue be achieved?
  • Does productivity improve without putting pressure on margins?



Siemens

Automation, Control, Industrial Software

Integrating AI into production processes


HMS Networks

Industrial Communication and Networking

Connecting Machines and Systems


People and Machines

CAD/CAM and Engineering

Making Design and Technical Workflows More Efficient


These companies operate at different levels.

They are therefore not simply interchangeable AI investments.


6. The Next Level: AI Agents Become Autonomous Systems


So far, we’ve mainly talked about AI as a tool.

The next development could go beyond that.

An AI agent can not only analyze a task but also execute it autonomously across multiple steps.

An example from industry:

A system detects that a machine is consuming an unusually high amount of energy. It analyzes the measured values, compares them with historical data, identifies possible causes, and creates a maintenance order.

With the appropriate permissions, it could even create the order on its own and schedule a technician.

This would represent a different business model than a simple chatbot.

A new layer of software is emerging that coordinates processes across multiple applications.


Companies in several sectors could benefit from this:


Sector

Potential Beneficiaries


Workflows

ServiceNow


Customer Service and Sales

Salesforce


Cloud and Application Monitoring

Datadog


Data Platforms

Snowflake


Identity and Access Management

WALLIX


Industrial automation

Siemens


Industrial communication

HMS Networks


These companies could profit from the same trend at different levels.

However, new competitors will also emerge. AI agents can take over functions that are currently still provided by standalone software products.

The second wave of AI therefore brings not only new opportunities but also a redistribution of existing software revenue.


7. Which companies are already monetizing AI—and which ones have the most potential?


Here, we should distinguish between proven monetization and a long-term investment thesis.

The following categories are not a ranking of stocks nor a statement about which valuations are attractive today.

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Sources for the reported current metrics: Company announcements from ServiceNow, Datadog, Snowflake, Salesforce, Veeva, and Palo Alto Networks. The potential of the remaining companies should be understood as investment theses, not as evidence of AI revenue already realized.

https://investor.servicenow.com/news/news-details/2026/ServiceNow-Reports-Second-Quarter-2026-Financial-Results/default.aspx?utm_source=chatgpt.com


8. How I might structure the second AI wave for Portfolio 2036.

This time, I wouldn’t sort the companies by their name recognition or stock price performance.

I would rank them based on the economic function they fulfill in the second wave of AI.

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Pillar A: AI Makes Money with Software

Companies: ServiceNow, Datadog, Snowflake, Salesforce, and Constellation Software.

The key question here is whether AI enhances existing software products and enables additional revenue.

For ServiceNow and Salesforce, we see concrete AI contract metrics. At the same time, Datadog and Snowflake are showing strong revenue growth in areas critical to running data-intensive AI applications.

Constellation Software is a different story: Here, we’re primarily interested in how well a broad portfolio of specialized software providers can integrate AI into existing applications.


Pillar B: AI Must Be Secured

Companies: Palo Alto Networks, Fortinet, Cloudflare, and WALLIX.

The more companies put AI to productive use, the more important it becomes to secure data, applications, identities, and networks.

WALLIX is particularly interesting for Depot 2036 because controlling privileged access could become increasingly important in a world of autonomous agents.

However, the investment thesis depends on whether this actually results in additional products and revenue.


Pillar C: AI Becomes Industry-Specific

Companies: Veeva Systems and EXL.

The opportunities lie in specialized data sets, industry-specific knowledge, and integration into existing workflows.

Veeva focuses more on specialized software, while EXL combines data analysis with services.

Both business models can benefit, but they must demonstrate that AI creates new economic value and does not merely replace existing services.


Pillar D: AI Is Transforming the Industry

Companies: Siemens, HMS Networks, and Mensch und Maschine.

This is where the connection between digital models and the physical world is formed.

Siemens covers industrial automation and software. HMS Networks is relevant for the networking of industrial systems. Mensch und Maschine could benefit from smarter engineering processes.

These companies could become particularly interesting as industrial AI increasingly moves beyond pilot projects.


9. The Five Most Important Questions for Finding AI Gems

Not every company that labels its products as “AI” will be a winner.

I would ask five questions of every candidate.


1. Are there already paying customers?

A product can be technically impressive yet still lack a profitable business model.

We should distinguish between free features, pilot projects, the order backlog, and actual recurring revenue.

2. Does AI generate additional business?

It’s not enough for a company to simply offer a new AI feature.

It becomes interesting when customers buy additional products, pay higher prices, or use more services.

3. Is the AI hard to replace?

A company does not automatically have a competitive moat just because it uses AI.

A competitive advantage can arise from specialized data, deeply integrated workflows, high switching costs, regulatory expertise, or the integration of software and hardware.

4. Does AI improve profitability?

If a software company has to pay a disproportionately high amount for computing power and external models for every additional euro in revenue, monetization may be less attractive than expected.

We should therefore look not only at revenue but also at gross margins, free cash flow, and the costs of developing new products.

5. Is the valuation still reasonable?

Even an outstanding company can be a disappointing stock if the expected earnings are already very generously priced in.

That’s why the second wave of AI always involves two types of analysis:

  • Company analysis: How good is the business model?
  • Valuation analysis: How much growth is already factored into the stock price?

Only when combined do they form a robust investment thesis.


10. My Conclusion: The Second Wave of AI Could Be Broader Than the First

The first wave of AI primarily brought to the forefront companies that provide the technical foundation.

The second wave could extend to other industries as companies increasingly integrate AI into their actual workflows.

In this context, I see four developments we should pay particular attention to:

First: AI is becoming part of existing software.

ServiceNow, Salesforce, Datadog, and Snowflake demonstrate different ways in which AI can be integrated into and monetized through established platforms.

Second: Security is becoming a prerequisite for productive use.

Palo Alto Networks, Fortinet, Cloudflare, and WALLIX could benefit from rising demands for the protection of digital systems.

Third: Specialized industry solutions are gaining importance.

Veeva and EXL demonstrate that AI can deliver economic value not only through general-purpose models but also through specialized knowledge and integration into specific processes.

Fourth: AI is making its way into the physical world.

Siemens, HMS Networks, and Mensch und Maschine could become interesting investments as smart factories, connected machines, and AI-supported engineering processes are increasingly put to productive use.

However, the opportunities are not evenly distributed. Some companies will generate new revenue with AI. Others will simply have to adapt their products to remain competitive. Still others could come under pressure from new AI-driven competition.


My personal conclusion for the 2036 portfolio

I don’t view the second wave of AI as a replacement for previous AI investments, but rather as a broadening of our perspective.

My friends, that’s why I’m staying invested in the first wave.

In addition to companies that provide storage, computing power, and infrastructure, those that translate AI into concrete products and workflows are increasingly taking center stage.

I find three interconnected investment theses particularly exciting:

  • Constellation Software: Can specialized industry software become more powerful through AI without losing its competitive advantage?
  • WALLIX: Will the management of identities and privileged access become a key component of secure AI agents?
  • Siemens: Can industrial AI be transitioned from pilot projects into the day-to-day operations of factories?

These are three distinct approaches—specialized software, cybersecurity, and industrial automation. They allow us to examine the second wave of AI from various perspectives.

For me, the next step is to systematically analyze these Depot 2036 companies based on four criteria: current AI revenue, additional revenue potential, competitive moat, and valuation.

After all, we’re not just looking for companies that talk about AI.

We’re looking for companies that can turn AI into a sustainably profitable business model.


My dear readers, my thanks go out to everyone who stuck with it and read to the end.


I’d appreciate lots of likes and comments.

Feel free to join us in discussing the second wave as well.

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I totally agree with @Aktienhauptmeister. Thanks for the fantastic posts, my dear!🫶🏻
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@Get_Rich_or_Die_Tryin Thank you, my dear
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I just skimmed through it for now, but I'll read it thoroughly later when I have some time. Another fantastic post, my friend! 👍
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@Aktienhauptmeister Thanks, my friend. And thanks for the coins. I'd appreciate your feedback later.
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Great post! There’s a lot in there that I agree with. It’s very detailed. It’s just really hard to predict what kind of obstacles might still be lurking—and will likely arise with many of these metrics. But overall, this is a general direction that’s worth keeping in mind.
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@schlimmschlimm Thank you, my dear
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Very nice summary. I'll have to read through it in detail again. But I personally find sections 3 and 4 the most interesting, and I've already built up a few positions in that area, even though my preferred stocks are different.
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@Multibagger Yes, it's an exciting time right now.
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Well, dear Tenbagger—Mika is back. 😄

And to be fair, I have to admit right off the bat: This post is significantly better and more carefully worded than your last one.
You make a clearer distinction between proven monetization and mere potential, and you even point out some risks yourself.
It’s clear that the fact-check from last time apparently had a slight therapeutic effect. 😄

I verified the company figures, growth rates, and AI metrics mentioned here using the companies’ latest quarterly reports, investor relations announcements, and SEC filings. In addition, I checked how metrics such as ARR, ACV, RPO, and net revenue retention are actually defined, what share of growth came from acquisitions, and whether the AI products presented are already generating measurable revenue—or have so far mainly looked very impressive in press releases.

Here’s the bottom line:
A lot of it is accurate this time around. But it wasn’t entirely without a few minor pitfalls, stretched metrics, and a couple of particularly optimistic future scenarios sprinkled with AI glitter.
So, buckle up, dear Tenbagger: Let’s take a look at where the second AI wave is actually making money—and where, so far, it’s mostly just blowing hot marketing air through the stock market forum.

The article is useful as a thematic overview, but it’s too generous as evidence of an already ongoing “second AI wave.”
Many of the figures are accurate—but rising total revenue, new AI features, and catchy product names are far from proof of additional AI revenue.

**Overall grade: about 7/10.**

The key hits and misses:

- **ServiceNow:**
The numbers are correct: $3.987 billion in revenue, +24%, AI ACV over $1 billion, and nine times more agent-based implementations. But ACV is contract value, not reported revenue or profit. In addition, ServiceNow had factored in about 125 basis points of growth contribution from the Armis acquisition for Q2. So the AI tree isn’t growing quite as organically as that.

- **Datadog:**
Revenue, growth, FCF, and the number of large customers are correct. However, Datadog does not report separate AI revenue. The figures demonstrate strong demand for observability—not that the 36% growth stems from AI. AI is being credited with this success a bit prematurely.

- **Snowflake:**
This is where the clear factual error lies. An NRR of 126% is calculated **after accounting for** churn and customer losses. Customers who do not use the service in the second year remain in the cohort and are counted as zero. The claim that this figure is “before accounting for the impact of churned customers” is simply false. Furthermore, Snowflake’s product revenue is usage-based and not traditional subscription revenue.

- **Salesforce:**
The metrics are correct, but the 11% revenue growth includes $456 million from Informatica. Furthermore, the definition of Agentforce ARR was expanded to include Slackbot and Headless 360 in this very quarter. A year-over-year comparison is therefore not as clean as a lab sample, but rather like a smoothie. ARR also remains revenue that has not yet been realized.

- **Palo Alto Networks:**
The nearly $1 billion in additional NGS ARR is correct. However, NGS ARR represents a broad security portfolio and is not a pure AI metric. As early as the previous quarter, it already included $1.6 billion in NGS ARR from CyberArk and Chronosphere. Completely ignoring acquisitions and then shouting “AI demand!” is a bit of a stretch.

- **Veeva:**
Revenue and subscription figures are accurate. However, Falcon had only five early adopters; the first production deployments were still to come. This is an interesting early stage, but not yet a proven AI business model on an industrial scale.

- **Fortinet, Cloudflare, and WALLIX:**
The products and strategic directions do indeed exist. Fortinet has released FortiSOC with agent-based AI, Cloudflare is building an agent cloud, and WALLIX explicitly mentions rights management for AI agents. However, the article fails to provide evidence for any of these companies regarding how much additional revenue or profit has already been generated from these initiatives. A product announcement does not yet translate to cash flow, even if the press release sounds very confident.

- **Siemens, HMS Networks, and Mensch und Maschine:**
Siemens has a genuine and technologically interesting partnership with Nvidia. HMS is investing in Ekkono and combining AI with industrial communication. Mensch und Maschine is showing solid operational growth, but no reported AI revenue. These are plausible indirect beneficiaries—currently more contenders than proven winners.

- **Constellation Software:**
The thesis is plausible, but not yet measurable. Even management openly admits that its own AI specialists do not know the long-term implications. The most recent revenue increase was primarily acquisition-driven; organic growth was significantly lower.

- **Nvidia/HBM:**
The figure of over 70% cited refers to Nvidia’s expected **share of procurement** as the largest HBM buyer. Nvidia does not own 70% of the HBM manufacturing market. Otherwise, Aldi would likely also be the leading strawberry producer due to its purchasing volume.

Viewed objectively, ServiceNow and Salesforce are the strongest examples of demonstrable willingness to pay for AI-related services.
Snowflake, Datadog, Cloudflare, Palo Alto, and Fortinet are compelling beneficiaries of platform and infrastructure trends, but they rarely report their additional AI revenue separately.
Companies such as Veeva, WALLIX, Constellation, Siemens, HMS, and Mensch und Maschine are still largely in the phase between product development, indirect benefits, and plausible future scenarios.



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Fact check: The basic thesis of a second AI wave is plausible, and many company figures are correct. The main problem, however, is that the article sometimes lumps ACV, ARR, RPO, total revenue, product announcements, and actual AI revenue all together. Simply labeling something “AI” long enough doesn’t turn it into a new profitable business—at best, it makes for a very compelling PowerPoint presentation.

The most glaring factual error concerns Snowflake: The NRR of 126% does indeed account for customers who have churned or are no longer active. These customers remain in the cohort and are counted as zero. The explanation in the article is therefore incorrect.

For Salesforce, the AI ARR figures are correct; however, the definition has recently been expanded to include Slackbot and Headless 360. Additionally, the 11% revenue growth includes $456 million from the Informatica acquisition. For Palo Alto, the nearly one billion in new NGS-ARR is also correct, but NGS-ARR is not a pure AI metric and has been significantly boosted by acquisitions.

ServiceNow provides the most convincing evidence of monetization because its AI-ACV exceeds one billion dollars. Nevertheless, ACV remains contract value and is neither revenue nor profit. At Datadog and Snowflake, we see strong growth in AI-relevant platforms, but no clearly reported additional AI revenue.

Veeva currently has five early adopters for Falcon. WALLIX, Siemens, HMS, and Mensch und Maschine have interesting starting points, but here we’re mostly talking about potential, partnerships, and product development. A press release and three AI agents on a product slide do not yet constitute a competitive moat.

The HBM statement is also poorly worded: Nvidia is said to account for over 70% of HBM demand or procurement, but it is not an HBM manufacturer with a 70% market share.

Bottom line: as a roadmap of potential AI beneficiaries, it’s solid; as evidence of already successful monetization, it’s far too broad. ServiceNow and Salesforce demonstrate a genuine willingness to pay. For many other companies, the current status is more along the lines of “could benefit.” And as is well known on the stock market, “could” is the favorite word of all theories that intend to submit their numbers only later.
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How long do you think this sell-off will continue? Is this the “bursting of the AI bubble”? It’s probably too early to say.

I think PKSHA $3993 is a prime example of a company that makes money with AI. Their customers actually save money with PKSHA’s AI applications and, as a result, are spending more and more (high NRR). The flywheel is working perfectly at PKSHA. The company’s philosophy is also very human-centered. The goal is the co-evolution of humans and AI, rather than simply seeking to replace human labor. I think PKSHA still has a lot ahead of it. The numbers back this up as well.
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@PikaPika0105 Hello, my friend, That’s a good question. Right now, several factors are coming together to form a toxic cocktail: rising inflation, interest rate hikes, and the complex web of financing. The last point, in particular, could be the one that causes a bubble to burst. I think CoreWeave has contributed significantly to the correction. The volume of debt financing is growing steadily. And an interest rate hike could make it impossible to repay loans. That’s why I think interest rates should be raised cautiously. Because no one can really gauge how many banks are involved here. And if even one bank is thrown into turmoil as a result, the whole thing could come crashing down. The most important thing should be to ensure that companies like Anthropic, OpenAI, etc., don’t run into trouble. Even at SoftBank, as many as 20 banks are reportedly involved in AI financing. And now Masayoshi Son wants to raise up to $100 billion from investors in the Gulf region.
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@Tenbagger-Capital Yes, I also think the whole structure is very unstable. I’ve significantly reduced the AI exposure in my portfolio. I still hold SoftBank, but it’s now my smallest position at 3%. I didn’t want to sell everything because I still believe in many of the projects, but it’s a dance on a knife’s edge. My other positions are all performing independently of the AI boom, though many are sensitive to interest rates and general market turmoil. In the long run, though, I think I’m still on track. Hopefully, we’ll get a soft landing. CoreWeave, Nebius, IREN, etc., can all go under for all I care; others like NVIDIA will get their fair correction, and the market will return to reason. The hyperscalers will be able to weather such a blow thanks to their strong core businesses. Others won’t be able to. Perhaps then we’ll finally be ready to create real value with AI instead of empty promises.
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@PikaPika0105 For me, AI is and will always be a revolution. Setbacks are bound to happen. And risks and regulation will be major issues. As long as Trump is at the helm, AI—or let’s call it “superintelligence”—will continue to be pushed forward anyway. Ultimately, it’s also about not losing the economic competition with China. As I’ve written many times before, AI will have the greatest impact in the defense sector. When it comes to large AI models, we in Europe may have already fallen behind. That’s why I consider it extremely important to leverage our expertise in mechanical engineering and the industrial sector. To become a leader in the field of industrial AI. Here, I also see Japan far ahead. Because I personally see enormous potential in this area.
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@PikaPika0105 By the way, $3993 really caught my eye at first glance. Great chart pattern with a breakout above the 200-day moving average. Nice growth potential for the next few years. I’ll have to take a look at the margins and debt levels. This might be something for me. Thanks for the tip.
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@Tenbagger-Capital It’s also a great company. I’ve been on board for a while now, and things are slowly starting to pick up. I had my latest analysis of AI summarized for you in bullet points:

* Macroeconomic leverage & labor market shifts:
* A decline in Japan’s working-age population of about 11 million people by 2040 will lead to an acute labor shortage in administrative white-collar roles (call centers, human resources, clerical work, administration).
* PKSHA doesn’t address the limited IT budgets of 1 to 2% of revenue, but instead directly targets the 30 to 50% of corporate costs spent on shrinking staffing capacities.
* Structural transition from traditional per-seat pricing to value- and transaction-based pricing models for autonomous software agents, ensuring that declining customer headcount does not diminish revenue potential.


* Technological foundation & independence from Big Tech:
* Avoiding capital-intensive frontier base models: PKSHA does not train general $100-billion models from scratch but instead uses open-source architectures and trains compact, domain-specific Small Language Models (SLMs) at its own expense.
* Dominance in the voicebot market with an 83.8% market share in Japan through proprietary speech-to-text engines trained on billions of minutes of real call center data, resolve phonetic Kanji ambiguities with latencies under 300 milliseconds, and are natively integrated into legacy telephone systems (PBX/CTI).
* Full integration into Japanese governance structures through the digital mapping of multi-level consensus and approval processes (Ringi) directly within Microsoft Teams and Slack.
* Full data sovereignty through “PKSHA Private AI Agents,” enabling regulated customers in the financial, insurance, and government sectors to run generative agents locally on their own servers without forwarding data to U.S. cloud infrastructures.


* Three-pillar operational flywheel:
* AI Research & Solution (operating margin around 25%): Major clients such as NTT Docomo and Nomura Real Estate pre-fund customized algorithm development; intellectual property (IP) rights remain entirely with PKSHA.
* AI SaaS (gross margin over 70%): Standardization of proven algorithms into recurring software modules with an ARR of over 11.1 billion JPY (+32% YoY), over 4,900 corporate customers, a net retention rate of 107.7%, and a value-up rate of 141% for upgrades to agent solutions.
* AI Powered Worker (APW): The acquisition of Circulation provides access to more than 4,000 small and medium-sized business customers without significant customer acquisition costs (CAC); consultants act as on-site implementation partners and transform traditional consulting and staffing services into high-margin AI-powered BPO.


* Accounting & Valuation Baseline:
* IFRS accounting avoids scheduled goodwill amortization from acquisitions that affects net income, allowing operational growth to flow directly into earnings per share (EPS).
* The market capitalization of approximately 100 billion JPY (~600 million €) does not reflect the underlying software profitability, as the market mistakenly classifies the company as a labor-intensive IT service provider.
* Ongoing disciplined capital return through share buybacks, as well as the first-ever introduction of a regular cash dividend of 10 JPY per share for fiscal year 2026.


* Detailed Forecast – Fiscal Year 2026e (Actual Run Rate):
* Consolidated revenue: approximately 36.5 billion JPY (~228 million €)
* Adjusted operating profit (EBIT): approximately 5.7 billion JPY (margin of 15.6%)
* Net income after taxes: approximately 3.2 billion JPY (~25 million € at 128 JPY/EUR)
* SaaS customer base: approximately 5,100 companies with an average annual revenue per user (ARPU) of 2.30 million JPY
* Base dividend: 10 JPY per share


* Detailed Forecast – Fiscal Year 2030e:
* Consolidated revenue: 73.8 to 82.0 billion JPY (~575 to 640 million € at 128 JPY/EUR)
* Segment revenues: AI SaaS 33.3 billion JPY, AI Research & Solution 21.0 billion JPY, AI Powered Worker 19.5 billion JPY
* SaaS customer base: approximately 7,400 companies with an ARPU of 4.50 million JPY per year
* Adjusted operating profit (EBIT): approximately 16.5 billion JPY (margin of 22.4%)
* Net income after taxes: 11.4 to 13.0 billion JPY (~89 to 102 million € at 128 JPY/EUR)
* Expected share price: approximately 10,466 JPY
* Dividend per share: approximately 75 JPY (payout ratio of 20%)


* Detailed Forecast – Fiscal Year 2035e (Base Case Bottom-Up):
* Consolidated revenue: approximately 157.3 billion JPY (~1.23 billion € at 128 JPY/EUR)
* Segment revenue: AI SaaS 89.3 billion JPY (56.8% of total revenue), AI Research & Solution: 34.0 billion JPY, AI Powered Worker: 34.0 billion JPY
* SaaS customer base: approximately 10,500 companies (corresponding to approximately 18% market penetration of the relevant Japanese enterprise and SMB market)
* ARPU growth: Increase to 8.50 million JPY per year driven by large-scale company-wide rollouts (similar to the implementation at Nomura Real Estate for 10,000 workstations) and cross-module usage
* Adjusted operating profit (EBIT): approximately 47.5 billion JPY (consolidated margin of 30.2%, driven by an expansion of the SaaS segment margin to 45% as a result of declining token costs and optimized SLMs)
* Net income after taxes: approximately 32.8 billion JPY (~256 million € at 128 JPY/EUR or ~205 million € at 160 JPY/EUR)
* Expected market capitalization: approximately 850 to 940 billion JPY (~6.6 to 7.3 billion € at a P/E ratio of 26x and a reduced number of shares to 30 million)
* Expected share price: approximately 28,427 JPY
* Dividend per share: approximately 328 JPY (payout ratio of 30%)


* Detailed Forecast – Fiscal Year 2040e (Maturity Phase):
* Consolidated revenue: approximately 289.0 billion JPY (~2.26 billion € at 128 JPY/EUR)
* Segment revenues: AI SaaS 182.0 billion JPY (63.0% of total revenue), AI Research & Solution 52.0 billion JPY, AI Powered Worker 55.0 billion JPY
* SaaS customer base: approximately 14,000 companies with an ARPU of 13.00 million JPY per year
* Adjusted operating profit (EBIT): approximately 100.0 billion JPY (consolidated margin of 34.6%)
* Net income after taxes: approximately 69.0 billion JPY (~539 million € at 128 JPY/EUR or ~431 million € at 160 JPY/EUR)
* Expected market capitalization: approximately 1.65 to 1.70 trillion JPY (~13.0 to 13.5 billion € at a P/E ratio of 24x)
* Expected share price: approximately 55,200 JPY
* Dividend per share: approximately 920 JPY (payout ratio of 40%)
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@PikaPika0105 That sounds very promising. You've actually introduced it before. But the cyclical chart put me off back then. So what happened in 2024?
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@Tenbagger-Capital I didn’t get on board until fall 2025, after all. I think in 2024 they just got totally swept up in the AI hype, but way too early. Of course, the numbers have to back it up first—that’s a common problem.

By the way, I highly recommend Gemini 4 (“Argon”). The analysis results are surprisingly good (always with “high” cognitive performance, of course). I once had Argon run its own analyses on my positions (initially independent of my own views), and the results pointed in a very similar direction. Previously, most AIs were always too “dumb” to connect all the relevant points and be far-sighted enough. I’ll reach my goal and be completely financially independent by age 30. To do that, I’d only need to achieve half of my goals. By age 40, I’ll essentially be able to live off dividends.
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@PikaPika0105 Thanks for the tip. I'll check it out. But at the end of the day, I only use AI as a tool and rely on my own research.
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@Tenbagger-Capital That goes without saying, but it's a huge help when gathering information. It lets me analyze media reports and scan quarterly reports very quickly.
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@PikaPika0105 That's going to become important again after the earnings report. Thanks, my friend. Maybe we should set up a dedicated agent just for the quarterly reports. I'm sure @Raketentoni already has something like that.
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I find point 5) in the area of integration into the medical and pharmaceutical sectors particularly interesting— $PME, in particular, stands out to me here. Although it’s heavily valued, the news flow and earnings show that it’s scaling quite well.
Pro Medicus’s core product, for example, is the Visage platform. It uses AI algorithms and deep learning to assist radiologists in the automatic analysis, detection, and evaluation of X-ray, MRI, and CT images.

In addition to its own image processing algorithms, the company offers an open AI interface that allows third-party AI models to be integrated directly into the workflow of radiologists in hospitals.

As far as I can tell, the expansion into the U.S. is also looking very promising, with new, long-term contracts...
Maybe I can pique your interest here. 😁

Thank you for your detailed list 🙏🏼
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My best “visionary”....😇 Thank you so much for the truly comprehensive and well-structured analysis! It’s clear how much work and research you put into this post. I especially like the breakdown into different areas of the second AI wave, and I fully agree with your fundamental thesis. It’s becoming increasingly crucial to determine who can actually monetize AI and generate sustainable profits from it. I also share your view on the importance of corporate data, industry-specific software, automation, and cybersecurity—we’ve already discussed these topics in detail in person.I’d like to note a few points—or rather, these could be explored in greater detail before considering an investment in these companies. Specifically, the topic of moats and, where applicable, competition among the companies.
Veeva and Salesforce are, in my view, one of the interesting examples we’ve already discussed in relation to our conversation about Veeva. Veeva built its original pharma CRM on Salesforce but is now developing its own platform with Vault CRM. At the same time, Salesforce is targeting precisely this market with its Life Sciences Cloud. So here we have two potential AI beneficiaries facing off as possible direct competitors. Veeva certainly has a strong moat thanks to its industry specialization and regulatory integration. But how stable is this moat as Salesforce increasingly pushes into the same market with its platform and AI capabilities?
When it comes to Salesforce and ServiceNow, one might ask: Who will own the workflow in the future? Both companies are heavily investing in AI agents and the automation of business processes. As a result, the lines between CRM, customer service, and workflow automation could become increasingly blurred. If both platforms can handle similar tasks, the question arises as to who will control the customer relationship—and thus pricing power—in the long term.
Snowflake has a strong data platform, but how significant is it? The importance of enterprise data for AI is undisputed. However, Snowflake is increasingly competing with Databricks and major cloud providers like Microsoft. Could AI even lead to greater convergence of features here and a decline in pricing power?
In cybersecurity, are there actually four winners—or are some of them direct competitors? Palo Alto Networks, Fortinet, Cloudflare, and WALLIX are generally benefiting from the growing demand for security. However, Palo Alto, Fortinet, and Cloudflare, in particular, are increasingly overlapping in the areas of network security, Zero Trust, and integrated security platforms. Even with WALLIX—toward which I’m somewhat more critical, and which we’ve already discussed at length internally—the question arises as to whether specialized access management will remain a standalone offering in the long term or will increasingly be bundled with larger platforms. After all, higher security spending doesn’t automatically mean that all providers benefit equally.
With Constellation Software and industrial AI, the question arises as to whether AI strengthens the moats of specialized software or, in the long run, even weakens them because new competitors can develop software more cheaply.
I also see interesting opportunities for Siemens, HMS Networks, and Mensch und Maschine, though there are overlaps as well. For Siemens in particular, the deep integration into real-world production processes is likely to represent a comparatively robust moat.
Of course, I still find your thesis on the second wave of AI very convincing. However, I would distinguish between companies that generate additional revenue through AI and those that actually strengthen their long-term competitive position as a result.
After all, the second wave of AI may not only lead to new winners but also result in existing moats being eroded by AI agents, platform consolidation, and cheaper software development.
The crucial question, therefore, would not be solely who will make money with AI in the future, but also who can defend those profits against the competition in the long term.
This is by no means intended to limit the quality of your analysis—quite the contrary, having this discussion now is more than appropriate and incredibly exciting—but by now you know me well enough to recognize me as a “killjoy” in such discussions. We’d be more than happy to delve deeper into the competitive perspective together with Marvin, who, as always, has assisted with such complex topics. Precisely because you’re comparing so many interesting companies, I’d find this analysis particularly fascinating.
Thanks again for your great work—I already have a few of these stocks on my watchlist, and depending on my dividend strategy, I could definitely see making an investment, or it might make for a nice addition to our project.
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@Dividendenopi Thanks. Awesome comment. You’ve really taken the words right out of my mouth. And there’s one thing I’m 100% sure of: with you and your foresight, I should be able to find exactly the right players for the second wave. It’s simply a blessing to have you by my side when it comes to investing. Thanks for that.
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