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Dad's portfolio

Dear Community,


I contacted you at the weekend because I will soon be taking over my father's portfolio. I already have a few years of experience with ETFs, but so far I only have a small equity position of my own.


I also have two other beneficiaries to pay out. I expect to be able to keep a maximum of 40 percent of the value.


I have the impression that the portfolio is very tech-heavy. Some losses were incurred because my father was no longer able to look after it after a sudden illness. Since his death last summer, we have had no access.


Unfortunately, I therefore don't know the exact purchase dates, but I have been able to determine the purchase price for most of the titles. I have entered all items with the same purchase date and the purchase price, as far as known. There are still a few leverage certificates that I could not enter here, but they are all in the red.


As there is a 25-27.5 percent tax on price gains in Austria and this can be offset against losses, it is tax-efficient to sell all loss positions. I will also sell the Allianz leverage certificate. I would like to keep up to 40 percent of the portfolio value of the shares.


I have agreed with the other beneficiaries that it should be possible to settle positions by number of shares. This means that I could, for example, sell 2/3 of the large positions, pay out the proceeds and keep 1/3 of the shares - this would cut the tax burden in thirds. There are also some positions that I would find attractive as a whole - $BRK.B, $MSFT (+0.2%) and $LISP (+1.03%) - Here, however, I would probably have to pay the tax as a whole. But that would be fine with me.


I'm in my early 40s and would like to keep my part of the portfolio as a retirement investment. I could also imagine shifting part of it into ETFs. But I'm still thinking about which allocation makes sense. I have 80k in my own ETF portfolio. My ideas that I have considered so far:

  • Keep up to about 40 percent and use up to 20k to cash out from other funds. Further expand the ETF position over the next few years
  • Reduce the interesting positions so that they make up no more than 1/3 of the total portfolio, shift the rest into ETFs


Unfortunately, there are not many people in my environment who are interested in the stock market. That's why I'm looking for people here with whom I can exchange ideas.


I think the large positions are generally attractive, but they need to be properly reduced in line with the situation. Depending on the position, I'm thinking of a clean third or a further reduction to 8-10k. What is your opinion on the weighting? Apple/Microsoft roughly equal? Leave Freenet in or take it out?


Looking forward to reading your thoughts.


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Good plan!

However, I would diversify the position somewhat. As you have correctly recognized, it is very tech-heavy.

All the best to you and your family!
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Food is on the stove, I'll read it tomorrow morning and tell you something about it 👍🏻
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@SAUgut77 Meal :)
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@Isus01010 still takes about 5 minutes...but thanks 😉
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@SAUgut77 what was there?
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@Isus01010 Hi there...I had a look at the portfolio this morning and thought about it a bit.

First of all, from my point of view, you would have to derecognize the $VAR1 shares, which have been removed from the stock exchange and do not add to the allowance, nor are they counted at their indicated value. This reduces the total of the portfolio by the indicated position amount.

I would then definitely add stocks such as $FNTN, $SAP, $LISP, $BRK.B, $MSFT to your existing portfolio. Some of them are running at high profits and together generate a super dividend.

I would consistently liquidate everything that goes down from SIXT $SIX2. It also fills the loss pot a little in terms of offsetting forced payouts and doesn't fit in with your previous strategy.

To cash out, assuming the figures are correct, I would suggest $APPL among others, as the profit here has been very low so far, which means that in reverse the least taxes are incurred on the sale, and you have already weighted Apple highly in your existing ETFs in your own portfolio.

That leaves $ABBN and your long on Societe Generale.

Here I would again see $ABBN as the first position to be liquidated and possibly take Societe Generale as a partial payout.

This should ensure that the payouts are mathematically well guaranteed and that everything fits together well from a tax perspective and that good individual stocks and dividends remain in your own portfolio.

As I said, this is just my view of this portfolio, but I think it is compatible with your existing portfolio in the long term, provided the current figures are right.

In any case, I wish you the best in this unfortunately sad situation 🤝

@Hotte1909 @christian @RealMichaelScott @InvestmentPapa @lawinvest @finanzperpetuum
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@DonkeyInvestor Don't worry, I've never thought much of donkey meat 😉😂

I had a simple ratatouille 👍🏻😘
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@SAUgut77 I've never thought much of that 👍
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@DonkeyInvestor Of course, you wouldn't sell your own arxxx either 😂

Or did you mean my delicious ratatouille 😇
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@SAUgut77 the rats TUI
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@DonkeyInvestor But you're also a culture vulture 😂
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@SAUgut77 yes, unfortunately I have to agree with that. 👍
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Hello Susanne, first of all my heartfelt condolences for the loss of your father.

As @SAUgut77 has already written: I would definitely keep the SAP, Berkshire and Microsoft positions. These are quality stocks where you can't go wrong over the next few years.

I would sell more speculative stocks and small positions immediately. These include Ayr Wellness, Indivior, Daimler Truck, Accelleron Industries, Merces Benz Group, Vantage Towers and any certificates.

When it comes to reducing positions and freeing up cash, I would most likely at least halve the Apple position. I would either sell FreeNet completely or reduce it significantly. I would also reduce ABB, as it accounts for a large share of almost 13%.

Sell:
60% Apple --> +28.600€
80% Freenet --> +€30,200
50% ABB --> +€15,500
50% Lindt --> +12.600€
100% Societe Generale Tracker --> +€25,000
100% Vantage Towers --> +€5,700
100% Mercedes Benz --> +€3,600
100% Accelleron --> +1,400€
100% Daimler Truck --> +1.300€
100% Indivior --> +700€
100% Ayr Wellness --> 40€
= approx. 125.000€

Deposit value afterwards 121.000€. These are all gross amounts where I have not yet taken the tax into account.

When it comes to investing further for yourself, I would keep it simple and take an ACWI IMI, e.g. $SPYI or if you want regular distributions the $SPSA
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@RealMichaelScott Thank you very much for your detailed answer. I have already created an Excel spreadsheet along these lines and am doing the math.

I realize that because I know which were "dad's favorite stocks" I am a bit biased towards some stocks. Thanks to your comments, I can see things a bit more neutrally.
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Didn't even know you could make a profit with Freenet 😳

Joking aside, I don't think the titles are that bad.

As far as you're concerned, I can only advise you to do what you can sleep best with. Anything else would be garbage. The best "strategy" is useless if you can't handle it.
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@Nobody_123 The stock market is not depriving me of sleep. And I also realize that there are currently some geopolitical uncertainties.
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@Isus01010 So what exactly is your problem?

Sorry, I obviously missed your point.
@Nobody_123 I have to sell at least 60 percent to pay out the other beneficiaries. And I have to think about how to put it together.
@Isus01010 hm, ok, first think about whether you want the values or not (partially anyway)

Option A: You don't want anything, then sell everything, split up and put your part into ETFs

Option B: You don't want any of it and if that's still feasible, split it up immediately. This means that all parties can even take advantage of the savings lump sums when the shares are sold.

Option C-1: try to keep as much of what you want as possible and sell what the others should get

Option C-2: convert your shares into your desired product over time so that you do not have to pay unnecessary additional taxes.

And speak or talk to tax advisors
Reading your story, it sounds to me that you have a solid plan. You are considering the beneficiaries, the tax laws (and selling losses) and have a long term goal.

For your doubts, I think they are equally attractive, just depending on your own liking. Ofcourse don't sell if it would cost you unwanted taxes.

Best wishes!
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@di_marcello Thank you. I also found more clarity simply by writing everything down in a structured way.
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Hey

First of all I wish you my condolences, I hope you were able to digest it well and have found your peace and can tick this off quickly.

I would recommend you, since you yourself say you are more at home in the etf area, to take over the long term runners and sell the rest.
The choice is relatively easy to explain based on fundamental figures. Your father had a great investment style. Here he has paired longterm investors with companies that are relevant to the economy and that also rise in times of tension. He must have been a great man and very intelligent.

I would say from my point of view.
I myself only hold individual shares, so what counts for me is fundamentals and the chart, i.e. 70% fundamentals and 30% chart technique.

1. microsoft.
2. apple
3. lindt
4. berkshire

All others would be unexciting as they do not offer a long-term uptrend.
In other words, the strategy dictates itself, you just follow the long-term uptrend, as long as it doesn't break, you can let the shares run.
If you are too unsure, you can of course switch to an etf.
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@schokosahne Thank you for the kind words and your assessment. I will definitely put the stocks into a ranking in one form or another and this helps me a lot.
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I'm not familiar with the tax rules in this situation, but can't you just make accounts for the beneficiaries and transfer the stocks directly to them. Then let them deal with the tax and choice of selling or not? We just had a dip, not a great time to sell.
@QUANTIJS our idea was to keep all shared assets in his account. I think I will transfer the stock I want to keep to my own account. That way the bank will also give it a price tag. I am in no rush to sell and will keep the shared account as long as it is necessary.
Tax applies to gains minus losses within the same year. So as soon as I am selling the first big position I will start selling the loss positions for tax optimization.

Ps: Your post is giving some new ideas for splitting the tax more evenly. Thank you so much!
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