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Future Financing Act - The first sensible traffic light law to (significantly) improve capital-forming benefits?

With regard to the traffic light government and the Future Financing Act, one could probably aptly say: Even a blind, deaf and leg-amputated chicken finds a grain of corn.


I would like to focus on one (very positive) point of the draft law in particular: Namely on the Amendment of the Fifth Capital Formation Act


Sounds boring? It usually is. The law forms the basis for capital-forming benefits.


Previously, you could invest 40 euros per month in capital-forming benefits. Up to the income limit of 17,900 euros per year, you were also entitled to the so-called employee savings allowance.

If you invested in a securities savings plan, you could receive a further 80 euros from the state (I will leave out other investment options such as a building society savings contract, as these are not to be changed by the law).


Example calculation (income under 17,900 euros):

  • 40 euros VL per month
  • Investment in a fund or ETF (assumed return 7%)
  • After 7 years, employee savings allowance of 80 euros per year
  • Saved value: ~4,311 euros plus 560 euros employee savings allowance equals ~4,871 euros
  • This would correspond to a return of ~10,4%


Example calculation (income over 17,900 euros):

  • 40 euros VL per month
  • Investment in a fund or ETF (assumed return 7%)
  • After 7 years, employee savings allowance of 80 euros per month
  • Saved value: ~4,311 euros


What changes should the law bring?

  • The income limit of 17,900 euros is to be completely abolished - so everyone is entitled to the employee savings allowance
  • In addition, the limit of 400 euros is to be increased to 1,200 euros per year
  • This will also significantly increase the maximum employee savings allowance. From 80 euros to 240 euros per year
  • Important: The regulations should only apply to investment savings, not to building society savings contracts, bank savings plans,... - The aim is to promote share ownership


Calculation example from 2024:

  • 100 euros VL per month
  • Investment in a fund or ETF (assumed return 7%)
  • After 7 years, employee savings allowance of 240 euros per year
  • Saved value: ~10,779 euros plus 1,680 euros employee savings allowance results in ~12,459 euros
  • This would correspond to a return of ~11%


So if you continue to receive 40 euros from your employer, you would have to top up 60 euros out of your own pocket. After 7 years, this would correspond to a personal investment of 5,040 euros.

In relation to the "personal contribution", this would correspond to a return of over 25% p.a. per annum!


Of course, the law still has to be passed (probably in the 4th quarter of 2023) and there may well still be changes.

Nevertheless, in my opinion, this would be an extremely good start to promoting a legal equity culture.


I would also much prefer a tax-free investment portfolio for retirement provision (as in many other countries), but I think this is a better or easier way to get a large proportion of the population on board.


What do you think of the proposal? And how have you been using your capital-forming benefits so far?


My VL are invested in an MSCI World. Unfortunately without a subsidy, so I would be extremely happy if I could achieve a significantly higher return from 2024 onwards.


Source: https://www.bundesfinanzministerium.de/Content/DE/Gesetzestexte/Gesetze_Gesetzesvorhaben/Abteilungen/Abteilung_VII/20_Legislaturperiode/2023-04-12-ZuFinG/1-Referentenentwurf.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=2


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Sounds good, but I think the impact will not be very big. Problem: 50% don't know what stocks or ETFs are, just as little what the difference between investing or speculating is😅.
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@DollarDon Unfortunately :(
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@DollarDon Unfortunately, that's true! But even if this meant that there were only 1% more shareholders in Germany, that would already be a success.
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My AG treats me to a whole 6.65 VL per month 🙃
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@MaxiHupp we love the öD 🥲
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@Schmops yes already 😂
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@MaxiHupp would be yes nice if said patronage is also increased😄
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@MaxiHupp With such contributions I always think to myself: Then just leave it directly :D
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That would be a start. However, the amounts are ridiculously small in view of the pension problem ahead. It would be time for a major initiative, such as a tax-free pension deposit.
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@Epi Sorry but tax free and custody account in one sentence? Are you crazy, the left would go crazy 😅
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@DollarDon Yes, sorry. I hadn't considered that. Then alternative suggestion: millions for all! 🚀
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Such posts are really worth something, thank you for that, you have earned my subscription! 🍹 oh and that here too:@ccf
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Interesting law. Thanks for sharing. I can't quite understand your calculation though. If I understood it correctly, you assume that the e.g. 40 euros VL from the AG are available without consideration. However, this amount is subject to tax and social security contributions, which again leads to deductions on the payroll. Are these taxes not relevant for the consideration of the personal return?
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@Nico90 Absolutely! For example, I have my VL contract with finvesto and invest in an ETF there. Per transaction 0.2% are due there and once a year 10 euros. But since everyone has a different tax rate and also every provider has a different cost structure, you can not make any blanket calculations there. Therefore, taxes and fees are not included in my calculations. But yes, of course that reduces the return!
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With me there are 27 € per month from the AG the migrate into an Oskar depot (Roboadvisor). (Before I had invested my VL through my insurance man but only after 3 years realized how much return that costs me. Keyword issue surcharge. I will sell the shares from the old VL depot as soon as the price has recovered. They will then go into my main portfolio.
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It would be interesting to know how the subsidy for existing VL contracts is calculated. From the effective date of the law. Only with new VL contract. Or even retroactively, which I do not think.
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@NiMe I mean somewhere read / heard / ... to have that it should be taken into account from 01.01.2024. So you do not have to conclude a new VL contract, of course, there is still nothing retroactively. But without guarantee :)
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@Mister_ultra thank you for your answer. that's how i would have thought of it from the gut.
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Thanks for the informative post 😃✌🏻
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@ccf Very informative and important article. Top.
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My €40 VL goes into the Xtrackers Stoxx Europe 600 (DBX1A7). Would be nice to make VL saving more attractive, of course.
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