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I was in technical sales and had a great salary of around €50,000 net. Now I'm self-employed and earn less, but I now have more freedom, can plan and implement things myself, am not accountable to anyone and don't have to crawl up anyone's a.... grovel. Simply more freedom. I've learned that the money that ends up in your account on time doesn't make you happy. Imagine working hard at a company and then it simply closes (I've seen this happen to many of my friends). You have to ask yourself what is more important to you. Earning a lot of money or not so much...

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domi@domibangbang

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@BoersePG super interesting! That's one of my plans for the distant future, perhaps to try it out independently with university colleagues. So it's good to hear that this decision was a good one, and I hope it will stay that way. Then good luck to you ;)

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@domibangbang well, I have tried many things and am now in my 6th year as a self-employed person. I'd be lying if I said it was/is always easy... ...I recently read the following in an article and it's 100% true for me Work is more fun when you work independently, with more freedom or on your own. These days I earn less than I did during my previous years, but I enjoy it more. No meetings that I have to attend. No employee evaluations, no worrying about being in the office on time or leaving early. You often have to work harder, but it doesn't feel like work - because it's a self-chosen decision and you do it out of passion. PS: you're also better off tax-wise as a self-employed person. 😉

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Investoraaa@Investora

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@BoersePG I think that's great! Self-employment is also my long-term goal and I can totally relate to what you've written. What area is your work in and could you explain how self-employed people are better off from a tax perspective? Thank you very much! ☺️

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@BoersePG I'll never understand why people state their salary in net terms. It depends very much on the tax class. One person pays less tax each month and has to pay extra on their tax return and the other pays more tax at the end of the month and gets a big back payment at the end of the year. Only the gross amount plays a role and is comparable.

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@keinStress In your opinion, is the gross salary in Austria comparable to the gross salary in Germany? (13th & 14th salary) It is actually better to calculate if you know what is effectively left over. e.g. you get a big bonus in May, but the 14th salary is almost €0. If I calculate the bonus and the 14 salary gross together, it distorts the picture and I think wow, so much, but no, this part is missing over the year. That's why I always calculate after tax.

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@Investora I work in the catering industry. The main advantage is that you can buy things that you can also use "privately" with pre-taxed money. e.g. cell phone, laptop, etc. can be tax deductible. Things you need anyway. I also order my things tax-free via Amazon Business, for example, both professionally and privately. In Austria, for example, you can buy an e-car with input tax deduction and the private journeys are included and you don't need to keep a logbook. It also depends on which structure you have, e.g. OG or GmbH. With the OG you pay the progressive tax rate with the GmbH from next year only 23%. etc...

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@BoersePG It doesn't matter how many salaries there are. Everyone here states their annual salary anyway. 13 and 14 salaries are included. Of course, it is difficult to make comparisons when different countries come into play. For example, the Swiss generally state their net salary, but do not mention that they have not yet paid any taxes or contributions, because these are only deducted at the end of the year for the Swiss. Then there are those who have tax class 3, but do not say how much less their partner earns by choosing tax class 5 and how much they have to pay back to the tax office at the end of the year.

In my opinion, what is only comparable is what is stated on the income tax assessment notice issued at the end of the year and only for tax class 4. For tax class 5, the additional payment and the worse position of the partner would have to be deducted.

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Professional soldier/15k net per year but free accommodation, food, public transportation and health insurance :)

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domi@domibangbang

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@alexschober_ uh ok nice! Would be interesting to compare with other areas to see if you can achieve a higher savings rate yourself. Thank you :)

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Enrique@Dividenden_Monteur

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@alexschober_ Are you a temporary soldier? No professional soldier earns only 15k net a year, at least not in Germany

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@hendrik_lmr he is also Austrian.@alexschober_ you should perhaps mention 😅

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@Der_Dividenden_Monteur achso 🤔@alexschober_ may I ask what rank group you are in compared to German ranks? In Germany we have enlisted men, non-commissioned officers, non-commissioned officers with Portepee and officers. In Germany you would only earn 15k net as an enlisted man and they can't become professional soldiers.

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Sparfuchs@Reinecke

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@alexschober_ If you've got a high school diploma and you're up to d... join the army and become a midshipman. BS with 15k net... and then deploy and get your ass shot off.

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@hendrik_lmr i am a team compared to germany. in austria you are a piad (person in training service) as soon as you have completed your basic military service and have signed up. to advance in rank or salary you have to take courses. my next one is in spring. there are also a lot of different contracts depending on your years of service

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@alexschober_ Thank you for your reply 🙏🏼

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@hendrik_lmr gladly gladly comrade🫡

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@KleinviehmachtMist Why such a negative attitude?

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Sparfuchs@Reinecke

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@alexschober_ bad experiences

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Franziska Lindner@DieFinanzchaotin

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It's amazing what some people earn here ... it's intense!

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Enrique@Dividenden_Monteur

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60,000 gross as a service technician in mechanical engineering. But it can be scaled up by another 20-25, depending on how much I travel and work overtime. More importantly, however, would be the approximate place of residence, if I earn 60K in my sleepy middle Hesse, I can live very well with it. If I get 80k at Porsche, but have to live in the Stuttgart metropolitan area, well.

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Felix@Investor_in_Jogginghose

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Aim higher? This is not Counter Strike 😂

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Alex@AlexG82

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With all the "doers" here, you almost feel like a failure :P Well then, 29 years old, MBA, Program Manager Automotive, approx. 110.000,-€ gross.

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Jonas@Spoony1986

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@AlexF82 could change quickly if all the makers also wanted to present an annual statement 😜👍🏻

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Alex@AlexG82

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@Spoony1986 Unfortunately, salaries are usually rounded up more generously than the number of love affairs :-D

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Max@MHe

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@AlexF82 Hi Alex, may I ask how you got into the industry from the WiWi field?

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Alex@AlexG82

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@MHe I've never been anywhere else, so maybe that explains it best.😄 In my Bachelor's degree, I did a dual degree at an automotive supplier, where I worked as a technical project manager. Then I did an MBA because I realized that I enjoyed the commercial and organizational aspects more than the technical ones. After working abroad, I moved from a medium-sized company to a large corporation. LG ✌🏼

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I actually don't know for this year because the monthly salary has changed a few times due to experience level increases and corona bonuses, but if I assume just the basic salary for next year, that would be just under 38k net. I am a soldier

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domi@domibangbang

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@hendrik_lmr yeah cool thanks, hope to get that much soon too!

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Benne@CapitalCyclist

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Police officer in NRW + part-time job: 40k net per year.👮🏻‍♂️

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Jannik@Jack1909

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@DividendCop Hi, can I ask how long you've been there and in which directorate? I'm in my first year at the university as a KA 😄

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Benne@CapitalCyclist

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@Jack1909 for 6 years (including studies) Directorate V. Enjoy your studies😎

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Jannik@Jack1909

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@DividendCop Thank you ✌🏼ich I'm not quite sure what to choose yet, but I think the first internship will help me. May I ask in which area you have a part-time job? It's quite difficult to get something approved, as I understand it.

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Benne@CapitalCyclist

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@Jack1909 Yes, it was similar for me at the beginning, you have to go to the GE directorate at the start anyway, so patrol duty before you do anything else. I also play soccer in the 5th league.

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Fff@Fff

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39J, graduate engineer - team leader development at an automobile manufacturer - 130k gross / year

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doddelwa@doddelwa

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Dentist, employed, 3rd year approx. 150k gross

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@doddelwa only 3 years out of residency? In which federal state? I know a lot of dentists and the median gross amount is around €60,000 😃 and that's also 3 years since my residency.

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doddelwa@doddelwa

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@keinStress 1 year out of residency. So 3rd year in total. Within the residency from 2750€ to 4500€ gross, now in the third year 25% commission on fee-based turnover (currently approx. 600k/year). I am employed in a practice in Baden-Württemberg. Anyone who earns 60k gross as an employee dentist after 5 years can only receive a fixed salary, which is actually quite unusual and I don't know this from my circle of acquaintances. Fixed salary + revenue share is actually the standard model and brings between 80-200k, depending on revenue. Much more is difficult.

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