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VW Q3: Loss in the billions, as expected—the situation remains dire, but not quite as bad as it seems at first glance... šŸš—

The Q3 figures from $VOW (+1.34%) seem dramatic at first glance. But you have to take a closer look.


šŸ“‰ Key figures:

  • Q3 revenue: €75.3 billion (-6.3%)
  • Operating income: -€5.9 billion (previous year: -€1.3 billion)
  • Net income after taxes: -€5.8 billion
  • Operating cash flow in the automotive business remains positive; net cash flow after 9 months stands at €4.4 billion


The billion-euro loss is primarily due to write-downs. The Porsche division alone accounts for approximately €6.4 billion. Added to this are other one-time charges, including those in China and from restructuring.


Excluding these one-time effects, VW would have achieved an operating profit of €8.8 billion after nine months. That sounds significantly better, but an operating margin of 3.8% for a group of this size is not sufficient to ensure long-term viability or to keep pace with the market in terms of investment.


VW is still profitable on an operational basis, but the need for action is enormous. The problems are well known: China is ā€œstrugglingā€ or, in fact, falling apart (-38% in sales), competition is intensifying on all fronts, and costs are too high (especially in Germany).


In my view, the figures also simply show how important the plant in the U.S. is and that Trump’s move to exploit the current weakness was ā€œcleverā€ but also unavoidable. In addition to the billions in subsidies that Audi is reportedly set to receive for the plant, there are rumors that there will also be tariff relief for the entire? VW Group—and that’s especially important for Porsche, which doesn’t have its own plant in the U.S.


Bottom line: I’m going to hold onto my VW shares and hope that it’ll pay off someday! šŸ˜‰

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I think the chances of turning things around have never been better. Next year will show whether the measures are working and whether the new models are catching on in the market.... I'm staying the course and looking forward to seeing what happens.
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@Shareholder I agree. But I’m afraid next year will be a transitional year. For me, it would already be a success if VW stabilizes (in terms of both revenue and operating profit). China will also weigh on the company next year. I think sales there will continue to fall—though perhaps not as sharply. The other regions will have to make up for that for now. But since the stock market always trades on the future, maybe we’ll start to see prices rise slowly starting next year? I’d like that šŸ˜‚
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@Part_Time_Joe Well. I wouldn't go that far. It'll probably take until the 28th for VW's stock price to rise.
I’m expecting things to stabilize next year, though. Before then, I’m afraid we might see €60 again...šŸ™ˆ But I’d be happy if I’m wrong. I’d also be veeeery happy to see the stock price go up!šŸ˜‚
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@Shareholder Well, I can at least confirm that demand for both the Cupra Raval and the ID.Polo is so high that we can barely keep up with production (currently about a 6-month wait).
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@Da_Fischi I’ve read that, too! On the one hand, it’s obviously good because it shows that the new models are catching on (I think the ID.Polo is really well-designed, too); on the other hand, it’s putting even more pressure on margins. I’d be interested to see how the ID.Tiguan is received. Visually, I think it’s great, but price-wise… that’s quite a jump! Do you know when pre-sales figures are usually announced?
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No, unfortunately not. I can only speak for our plant.
But yes, in Spain, an ID.Polo like that is available starting at €18,000 with a subsidy.
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@Da_Fischi I have to say, I think the ID7 is a really great family car. It seems like a good fit for people with dogs, too. I'm curious to see how it holds up over the long term šŸ˜€šŸ‘ Maybe I'll switch to VW after all someday šŸ™ƒ
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@Da_Fischi Thank you very much for the insight. I'd heard something along those lines before, too.
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They're just laying the groundwork for collective bargaining negotiations. When it came to the dividend, there was still enough profit left to distribute. They've always had a knack for underreporting profits. I'm staying relaxed about my investment—to me, it's just a dividend stock.
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@Reinecke I’m counting on that starting in 2028. For next year, I can also easily imagine that there will only be a minimal dividend (if any at all). Right now, we’re at a loss of 2.7 billion for the full year. If Q4 manages to get by without any major negative one-time factors, we might hit 3 billion. If 30% of that were paid out—that is, 1 billion—we’d end up with a dividend of around 2 euros per share. Either way, 2027 isn’t going to be anything to write home about.
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I actually wonder why anyone even bothers looking at the numbers from German automakers anymore, but I like quirky hobbies too, so to each his own.
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@Musikerie Hmm, one possibility is that you own stocks? But that's just a hunch šŸ˜‰
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@Part_Time_Joe VW stock? I guess we all got the same welcome gift from TR, didn't we?
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@Musikerie I own VW and Porsche stock (Porsche AG and also Porsche SE). I'm not on TR—in fact, I'm convinced it's a good long-term investment šŸ˜‚
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@Part_Time_Joe Luckily, there was a smiley face at the end—otherwise I'd think you were trying to pull my leg.
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