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The Investor's Word on Sunday: Where the journey will ultimately take us

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Ladies and gentlemen,


I have been a self-employed entrepreneur for more than 15 years, have founded two companies, sold one of them (but didn't even come close to getting rich with it), and I still earn my living with the first one.


An interesting interjection: I was employed for almost 20 years before becoming self-employed. It would never have occurred to me to start my own business. Even when my business had already started, it never occurred to me to turn my hobby project into a full-time job and quit my job.


Instead, I was - quite unexpectedly - fired. I was practically "forced" into self-employment, if you like. Somehow I'm even grateful to the company at the time for kicking me out.


However, that's another story.


My small company will be crushed by AI in the medium term, and even if it were theoretically possible to adapt the business model to AI ("howling with the wolves"), I don't want to for personal reasons. One of them is, I openly admit: I don't feel like it anymore. I don't want to pull up any more platforms. I've done it twice, I've had enough. "I'm too old for this..." What's more, I wouldn't like the modified business model.


In three to five years, possibly sooner, possibly later, it's really hard to say, profits will plummet by 75% (and possibly more). The business would remain profitable even on a very low flame, but 10,000 - 20,000 euros a month in savings would then become 1,000 euros with luck, or 0 euros with bad luck.


So what is the strategy of someone in their mid-fifties who, after 40 years of work (I started earning money at the age of 14, alongside school in my youth), wants to slowly say goodbye to retirement, let's say at 60 at the very latest?


Goal: Ideally, I want around 100,000 euros in passive income (after tax) - bang!


I'm fully aware that this is a lot of money, but I haven't spent decades working so that I'll have to cut back in old age, on the contrary: I want to enjoy working only when I want to (and I will want to, I already know that. But it will probably be more of a hobby than a source of profit).


So 100,000 euros. How can I manage that?


Component 1: Dividends. I still have 5 years to adjust my portfolio in terms of dividends. If I were to switch my NVIDIA position into corresponding dividend stocks today (like $HAFNIfor example), then the target amount might even be reached. For various reasons, however, this is probably not a very intelligent strategy. I would like to invest a further 500,000 euros over the next five years (I hope the business will still allow for this) and thus create a portfolio of at least 2 million euros. My PF is currently hovering around 800-900K. Another 500K investment by 2030 - the 2 million at the end of the decade should be possible, even with a conservative approach. EDIT: This will only work if I also reinvest the dividends for the years 2025-2029 (otherwise an average return of 13% would be required - too ambitious!).


If the vast majority of the stocks in my PF are dividend stocks by then and I achieve a dividend yield of 5%, that would already be EUR 100,000, on which 25% tax will of course still be payable, leaving EUR 75,000.


Component 2: Real estate. I own just under a handful of apartments. And by "belong to me" I actually mean that most of them still "belong" to the bank, and that will remain the case for a long time to come. But they are all in very good locations, and I expect them to increase in value, even if I don't want to be dependent on them.


The apartments are largely self-supporting; with interest and other depreciation, the loss is of course blatant, but that's what we want because it reduces the tax burden. From 2030, however, when the majority of income comes from dividends, this game will no longer work, because then I may not have sufficient income from self-employment, the tax burden of which I try to reduce through depreciation. The tax savings will therefore evaporate and the apartments will have to pay for themselves completely. I am more than confident that they will do so. Rents will continue to rise in the future, property prices will at least remain stable. With falling interest rates (as we are currently seeing), property prices should even rise again. Ultimately, passive rental income should generate a surplus of 30,000 euros by 2030.


So then we would have:


Income from dividends: 75,000 euros (net)

Income from letting/leasing: approx. 25,000 euros (net)


That brings us to the desired 100,000 euros, and life is good. Oh yes: a few years later I'll get a pension - it'll probably be around 1,200 - 1,400 euros - hooray!


Where are the risks?


I think that my view of things is conservative, as described above, but there are still risks:


Bad timing: It cannot be ruled out that at the very moment my business goes completely down the drain, an economic crisis occurs at the same time, which halves my portfolio. My business and the global economy are not closely related, but let's just assume the worst.


If I had no income at all overnight, I would probably be forced to part with a property unless I wanted to restrict my lifestyle, and I already know that I definitely *don't* want to do that. I would want to protect the portfolio at all costs, so I wouldn't think about selling here. Selling an apartment would certainly put me in a position to hold out for two or three years without having to resort to PF.


And this dark vision also assumes that I won't earn a penny from other things. However, I do have a very lucrative hobby that currently brings me a profit of around 20,000 euros a year. It will stay that way for a few more years.


And finally: I'm married and my wife also earns well.


So I hope the risk is manageable (if we ignore wars and other disasters).


What would be the ideal outcome?


My wife and I stay healthy and fit into old age, live on passive income, simply let the portfolio run its course and leave it to our children at the end (or give it away beforehand, but use usufruct - for the sake of inheritance tax). And if the kids have learned even a little something from their old man by then, that should put their existence, including their own family, on a rock-solid footing.


So much for my plan for the end of the journey, when I can say goodbye with the last words:


"My job is done here. I love you all."

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I don't know what to do, but I do know one thing: I really enjoy reading your posts. I wish you continued success on your journey! I think many people have these or similar questions, at least I do, even though I'm still at the beginning of my investment journey!
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Here are a few coins for a poor soul
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@DonkeyInvestor Nothing can happen now!
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@Nostradonkey I am quite new, what are these coins for ?
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@Ertu to give away or redeem for merchandise
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@DonkeyInvestor Or to finance my retirement.
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very cool set up!!!

Congratulations and "out of the system"!

Would go with the portfolio sooner rather than later - you'll be surprised how little you really need when the workload goes down :)

LG and please keep reporting :)
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Great read for a Sunday noon coffee! Thank you!

The plan looks well thought. I wonder wouldn't any of the children be interested of being involved in the company and prepare it for the next wave, or do they want to do their "own thing" whatever that is.
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@gargi They are way too young for that. By the time they are old enough, the company is probably history.

But, you'll never know: Maybe there is a niche it survives in. Maybe I am painting the picture too dark for my business.
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Why necessarily sell dividend stocks and not sell when you need money?

Turning 1.5 million (which is currently not even 1 million) into 2 million within 5 years and having a lot of it in dividend-bearing securities (i.e. paying a lot of tax when reallocating and foregoing returns) is by no means conservative in my view, but highly optimistic.
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@DonkeyInvestor Hmmm ... you have a point there. I calculated in my head with 1.5 million from today, which will be 2 million after 5 years. That's nonsense, of course.

At the end of 2025, it might be 1.2 million, so I need an average return of around 13 percent from January 1, 2026 to get to 2 million on January 1, 2030.

And you're right - that's very ambitious.

Okay, then I just have to manage to invest 700,000 euros (instead of 500,000 euros). And I can do that because: In my considerations above, I didn't even take into account the dividend distributions from 2025 - 2030. They will - very roughly estimated - close exactly this gap - hah!

But - if not: do you have a few coins for a poor schmuck?
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@Charmin + don't forget the tax when selling/ switching into dividend stocks/ ETFs. Otherwise very nice to read. All the best for the future!
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@Finanz_Fuchs It's on the screen. The tax will of course be due at some point if I decide to switch (parts of) NVIDIA shares towards the end of the decade.

Who knows: maybe I'll be able to put so much into PF over the next 5 years that I won't have to sell NVIDIA at all?

We'll see ...
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However you go about it, I'll keep my fingers crossed that it turns out the way you want it to (:

No one here will be able to show you the right way, everyone has different opinions and approaches, but you'll find the right way 🙃
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Congratulations, great plan @Charmin! 👌
I hope it works out for you!
Please remember exactly what you said: it may not turn out the way you think, especially in terms of returns over the next 10-15 years - so plan B or C, keep working or pass on your knowledge as a consultant when it's needed, etc...
With 2 million you can definitely build a nice nest-egg without having to sell shares - as @Madhatter5566 says - save up with dividends 👌
There are plenty of investments, some of them uncorrelated, that offer regular income with a stable NAV.
My plan is similar, GLTA!
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This is exactly the kind of financial planning I aspire to when I get older. It’s inspiring to see how much you’ve built and the knowledge you share with us 'younger' ones. Your strategy is solid, and I have no doubt that all your hard work will pay off. I really appreciate the structured approach and the long-term vision—definitely something to learn from!
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I wish you all the best from my side and may everything go as you wish and imagine. 🍀🍀
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Respect for your courage to start your own business. Most people fail at it. You should reward yourself with a carefree life. 99.9% of people would love to have your problem. Don't make it too complicated. Once you've got this far, the rest will be child's play. Good luck.
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The meaning of life is to give life a meaning💯 What would that be for you apart from money, children & health?
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@DonkeyKongx Continuous further development.
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@Charmin okay I feel that🙌 Standing still feels like death.
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@DonkeyKongx Ok, I wouldn't put it in such martial terms, but standing still is not desirable.
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@Charmin comes from competitive sports & light adhs what kicks👀😅
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@DonkeyKongx I used to do the same thing when I was young: artistic gymnastics.
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@Charmin yes mega! the bite of your story has to come from somewhere 🚀🙋‍♂️
Respect and probably did everything right 🫡👏
Hello Charmin, I was delighted to read your report as I am currently in the process of setting up my next building block for the AV.
Do we have anyone here who is already familiar with the topic of VV/Rentner-GmbH/Holding or uses one and can give us implementation and practical tips?
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@gorehammer I've had a rough look at it. I think a holding company like this (which is currently being hyped) is gross nonsense in the vast majority of cases. I don't know why everyone is talking about it at the moment, it's probably to do with all the "finfluencers".

Of course you never want to pay too much tax and protect your assets. But in the case of the vast majority of people here, I think you can do that with a few simple things like making timely gifts.

If you really have 8 figures, then maybe that's different, but I don't see "family limited companies" and holding companies as anything below that.
@Charmin Basically, I see the VV-GmbH as effective when it comes to the payout phase or, in your case, if you expect dividend payments of 5-6 digits per year, which you can then realize at the effective tax rate of 1.54%. However, I currently lack the "in-depth knowledge" here and hope that someone here at getquin has already dealt with the topic in more detail?
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Is your NVIDIA position still that big? If so, you're pretty much putting all your eggs in one basket.

The risk of not reaching your target is almost greater than if you had boring 5% stocks in your portfolio.

Otherwise, you've done everything right with real estate - rents are likely to rise dramatically over the next few years - and as long as BR doesn't promote housing construction again, that's good for your wallet in your case 😆
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@TradingMelone The position will become relatively smaller over the next 5 years, but I will not sell, as I am 100 percent convinced of the company.

However, further investments over the next 5 years (in other stocks) should reduce the proportion of the overall portfolio. The focus of my purchases is on dividend stocks. In the end, it will probably only be NVIDIA, which is not a dividend stock. Det will be fine ...

BR *must* do more for housing, but that doesn't conflict with my interests. I'm also not someone who pushes the rent to the limit and I don't intend to do so in the future.
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@Charmin won't the tax office ring if you don't pay enough rent, depending on the district? 👀
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@DonkeyKongx "Not going to the limit" and "too little rent" are not the same thing. My rents are already in the upper range (also due to the location), but not excessive.
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I wish you continued success. I see myself confirmed, as I often think to myself as a listener of "I don't want to work at 40 anymore": What do you do all day long then?

(Of course I understand the freedom if you have the reserves and could do it. It's certainly even nicer without the pressure).
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