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How To ...... How to invest in the crypto market with 1000 EURO?

Hello dear friends of cultivated investing. Today there is a post for all crypto bros and those who might want to become one (so don't just keep scrolling 😉 ) @MrBlueSky
@PowerWordChill
@DonkeyInvestor and all the others I have forgotten

I would like to know from you how you would start investing in crypto (or rather in everything except BTC / ETH) today. The budget is, let's say for the sake of simplicity, 1000 EUR. You don't want to just beat the MSCI World 😉 but as usual make 5-10 x or more in the next 4-5 years.

Which strategies would be your favorites?

Investing in Narrative AI, DePin, Memes, Gaming, BRC 20 and Modularity or something completely different?

What should be the maximum number of positions? 3, 5 or 10? What would be a possible allocation for you?

And what do you think of the following basic allocation:

Option 1:

20% low risk (1 "blue chip" from the above narratives)

30% mid risk ( 1 mid cap altcoin)

50% high risk ( 2x Altcoins < 500 Mio Mkt Cap, 1x Meme Coin)

You are welcome to comment on which coins exactly would come into question. For my part, I'm still undecided and would let you know in a follow-up post.

I would like to dive a little deeper into the game to understand how things work here.

I hope it's interesting for one or the other besides me.

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DerDanner@Therapeut

1Yr

BTC ETH only 😂

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@Therapeut same with me 💪

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Stefan21@stefan_21

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BTC Only is the only right way.

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Krush82@Krush82

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@stefan_21 may well be, but that is explicitly not the point here.

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Stefan21@stefan_21

1Yr

@Krush82 I know. Sooner or later, when you've burned your fingers a few times on altcoins, you realize that Bitcoin is the innovation and that the others are just trying to enrich themselves on the back of Bitcoin with aggressive marketing for their own shitcoin.

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@stefan_21 then you've probably always invested in the wrong coins. Probably iota, ada, xrp, Luna or what?

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Stefan21@stefan_21

1Yr

@Maxi385i I had XRP and Ada, for example, yes😂
I'm not saying that you can't make big profits with altcoins. But it's always the same: hype is generated and some great use case is suggested that could be solved with "blockchain technology". However, a blockchain is always inefficient and only makes sense in conjunction with proof of work because the blockchain is trustless. All other use cases, which write external information to a blockchain anyway and are dependent on central companies anyway, could be handled much more efficiently with central databases. However, these companies don't do this because they wouldn't be able to generate coins/tokens from which they could retain the majority themselves and then, of course, earn massive amounts of money.

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Fabzy ✨@Fabzy

1Yr

In terms of the crypto portfolio, 80% BTC and ETH.
And find your own narrative for the remaining 20%. You will have to rummage through the multitude of meaningful and meaningless coins and tokens and either you see an investment case or not.
I have opted for interoperability between blockchains. I see this as an absolute necessity in the future, as it is still being left out of the current bull run.

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Krush82@Krush82

1Yr

@Fabzy That sounds like a healthy ratio. The watchlist is already far too long, I'm afraid. How broadly have you diversified within the sector or is it all in one coin?

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Shadow@Shadow_Trades_Now

1Yr

@Fabzy $DOT for the win

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Moritz@leveragegrinding

1Yr

Now just old coins because the BTC bull movement has already happened, so eth has already achieved a lot.

I think btc-> 90k, eth new ath and then hold at a slightly lower level and old smaller coins will come. There is a lot more air but also more risk because of the bubble.

Good luck :)

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SGP@Koenigmidas

1Yr

4 to 5 years is quite a long time in the crypto space but with lending and staking you can work in such a period .... For example, I added oraichain to my portfolio in September and am now already at 7x

Well, it's hard to say how many positions....

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Mr. Blue Sky@MrBlueSky

1Yr

In terms of portfolio allocation, I would generally recommend: 65-80% large caps (>1 billion), 25-30% and 5% small/&micro caps. BUT, it also depends on when you start investing. Even more so than in the stock market, it is the large caps that rise first. As the rally matures, more and more capital rotates out of the large caps and into the small caps. In the final phase of the bull run, it is the micro caps that undergo completely grotesque price spikes - so only 5% of the portfolio is enough here. ..... therefore makes perfect sense to invest in BTC and Eth at the beginning of the run. Surprisingly, the current bull run was led by Solana. But you have to understand that the demand for Solana was driven by the memes - we will see how sustainable that will be. I like and hold Solana but I would definitely not buy it at a market cap of 80MRD. Instead, I would rather look to add the crypto's that have proven to generate a lot of interest to the portfolio. I.e. depin and ai, gaming and, as sorry as I am to have to recognize and accept this myself: meme coins. We are still early in the bull run but we are no longer at the beginning - with Solana there will be no more 10x from here. With good large caps that have not yet made a significant run, this is still easily achievable. I'll refrain from mentioning ICP here, but I see HBAR at USD 1.5-2 in a year's time. The absolute high-flyers so far have been Akash and Render and various other coins in the cloud computing or gpu power-providing sector. There is a banging use case here in a market area that will expand seemingly without limits. AETHIR will launch in the next few days. Aethir essentially does what Render and Akash promise, only with significantly more compute power and therefore cheaper. The best thing is that the intial market cap will be around USD 750 million - given the extremely high general interest, I think the coin will rise very quickly. There will be a whole flood of new coins during and after the halving, which, if the bull run is similar to the last one, will offer the highest returns - yes, in the crypto space people love "the new and shiny" and often only for a short time. 99.99% of all cryptos are not buy and hold! ....in volatile markets it is essential to buy and sell in the bear market if even the last skeptic wants to get in - this is where the rabbit is in the hole. One would think that it would be easy in the Kyoto market, as it has offered an almost perfect 4-year rhythm so far. However, it is not easy to "let go" when you have become "accustomed" to 10% per day. Now we are no longer in the bear market, so you should be careful to find good entries. Never buy what is being hyped. Capital rotates - from layer ones to Depin to games to memes, etc., and vice versa. Always invest in the area that is not in demand. I would currently build up my gaming position. Crypto profits don't want to be taxed - so it's about time to be in the market. Apart from price targets that I have set myself, there is one date on which I am definitely out. It's not important to hit the top of the market - you won't make it anyway. It's important to make substantial profits in order to start the next bull run with more capital. The resulting performance in combination with the tax advantage beats any equity portfolio. Cryptos that I have on my radar and that I will possibly switch to, which have not yet been launched - Aethir, Eigenlayer, Fuel network, RDYX, IO.net, Peaq, Gensyn, Caldera, Eclipse. As a memecoin I will add Coq Inu to my portfolio - I don't like meme coins but you have to listen when the market speaks. I know ICP is hated by most people because almost all investors have burned their fingers on this coin. However, ICP is the best product on the market in terms of technology. The opportunity lies in getting in before the other market participants realize or understand it. However, I have to concede that this may well take another cycle.

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Krush82@Krush82

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@MrBlueSky If you had to focus on around 5 coins, which would you name because they could still have potential for strong performance in the 2024/2025 bull market?

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Mr. Blue Sky@MrBlueSky

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@MrBlueSky.... What I really want to get rid of - if you invest in brand new coins, you shouldn't buy them immediately at launch! Yes, it can happen that the coin takes off immediately - then you're just not there. You often see an initial rise followed by a 20-50% retracement over several days - this is the "sweet spot to buy".

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Mr. Blue Sky@MrBlueSky

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@Krush82 Well, as already mentioned, we will see the best performance from coins that are not yet on the market. These will only be launched in the coming weeks. But, for example, Shrapnel is a gaming coin that will do very well despite catastrophic tokenomics, in my opinion. The "gamer coin" covers both gaming and depin - with a market cap of 180 million - a lot of potential.

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Mr. Blue Sky@MrBlueSky

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@MrBlueSky....shrpnel and gamercoin definitely belong in the speculative low cap portfolio - no "all in"!

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Krush82@Krush82

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@MrBlueSky @PowerWordChill Which exchanges (also without kyc) can you recommend in terms of low cost and high number of small and micro cap coins?

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Mr. Blue Sky@MrBlueSky

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@Krush82 MEXC and KuCoin. Are you familiar with chart technology?

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Krush82@Krush82

1Yr

@MrBlueSky I had already set my sights on MEXC. But the advertising is a bit annoying. If I have seen this correctly, no FIAT deposit is possible without KYC, is that correct? So only the transfer of coins (USDT) to the wallet is possible?! Is it the same with KuCoin? I'm still thinking about the best / "safest" way to make the purchases, as I used to buy and store BTC and Co via Bitvavo. Do I buy all the coins I can buy from Bitvavo there and then only buy the small/micro caps via a DEX?

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Mr. Blue Sky@MrBlueSky

1Yr

@Krush82 Yes, no fiat without KYC. But I would use a "proper" exchange licensed in Europe as an on-&-off ramp anyway, as you do with Bitvavo.
The disadvantage of Bitvavo is that you can only send USDT as ERC20 via ETH.
However, MEXC is the cheapest. If you want to make transactions of less than 1000Eur in the Ethereum network, I advise against Dexes. It's far too expensive. Swaps can easily cost three-digit amounts.
It's best to send USDT to MEXC.

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Leon@CptnCrxnch

1Yr

I would consider the 1000 euros as lost and only go into mid/small caps for high returns. I would then pick out 3 projects and invest in each of them straight away. The question you should still ask yourself is how you want to deal with the tax and, above all, it's best to set exit prices before investing or draw up an exit strategy. Only everything you hold for more than 1 year is tax-free and the chances that the current bull run, which has been going on for a while now, will last longer than 1 year are very low, which is why you should sell within 1 year if you don't want to lose 90% of your investment (not tax-free).

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Leon@CptnCrxnch

1Yr

@CptnCrxnch If I had to pick 3 coins at the moment, they would be $SCALE (Scalia Infrastructure), $ZKML and $ARC

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ole-4063@ole-4063

1Yr

@CptnCrxnch On average, a crypto bull run lasts 18 months, so it is not unlikely that it will continue for more than a year

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Leon@CptnCrxnch

1Yr

@ole-4063 And when did the current one start for you? It could be that the bull run continues for another 24 months, but if his price targets are reached before the 1-year holding period and he doesn't sell and the bear market begins after 11 months of holding, that would be stupid, wouldn't it?

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ole-4063@ole-4063

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@CptnCrxnch Yes, but as long as the bear market has not yet reached -25%, it is worth waiting 1 year instead of paying taxes.

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Leon@CptnCrxnch

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@ole-4063 small/mid caps have seen several -25% in the last few days alone, but oh well

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ole-4063@ole-4063

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@CptnCrxnch I would never bet on something like that in such a case either

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Leon@CptnCrxnch

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@ole-4063 my condolences

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ole-4063@ole-4063

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@CptnCrxnch if you want to hold for 1 year you simply don't go into small caps does that make so little sense for you ???

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Krush82@Krush82

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@CptnCrxnch The money has already been mentally written off, I'm just not sure whether it should really all be invested highly speculatively or at least a small part of it should be put into a > 1 billion coin. I'll think about an exit strategy once I've decided on the selection

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Leon@CptnCrxnch

1Yr

@Krush82 today is a good day to buy altcoins NFA

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Pope Donkey XXI@DonkeyInvestor

1Yr

Without BTC and ETH, it doesn't matter what you invest in. Maybe @TradingMelone has a good tip

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Krush82@Krush82

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@DonkeyInvestor You mean I don't need to worry about any division at all, because it either works properly or it doesn't?

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Pope Donkey XXI@DonkeyInvestor

1Yr

@Krush82 Almost, yes. But the melon has a few insider tips from time to time

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LoneMelone@TradingMelone

1Yr

@Krush82 So meme coins are all about being on the ball. I wouldn't do that if you want to keep it simple.

You have to realize that you are of course entering at the ATH right now.

I'm personally a chainlink and GRT and FET, TIA lover, but FET and TIA have already had a very blatant run. If you really want to get into Alts, I'd look for larger projects that are only at 50% of their ATH. Atom, Link something like that. But honestly I think if you want to hold for 3-5 years without looking buy no altcoins of which all can go to 0 in the next bear and if you don't plan to take profits or stay on the ball and cash out as soon as it presents itself stick with BTC

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Krush82@Krush82

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@TradingMelone @TradingMelone Perhaps that came across a bit ambiguously. I don't want to buy now and only see how they have performed in 4-5 years ala buy and hold. That's what I'm doing with my long-term BTC position. I will actively follow the coins. The investment thesis is that we will see further ATHs in 2024/2025. Then I will draw an interim conclusion and, if necessary, partially cash out. Do you think it is worth investing in the little sister/brother in terms of the risk/return ratio? I mean if I were to bet 1-2 k on 5-10 coins now. How do you rate the potential of the coins you mentioned. How many x would be possible in the bull case and how many x for the smaller coins?

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LoneMelone@TradingMelone

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@Krush82 I think anything between 10 and 50x is possible in the run. Let's wait and see what happens post halving

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Krush82@Krush82

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@MrBlueSky @PowerWordChill come back with your learnings

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Pope Donkey XXI@DonkeyInvestor

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@PowerWordChill I was asked in the post and not in a piddly comment 🖕

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Krush82@Krush82

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@PowerWordChill this should be more of a short-term gamble for now, i.e. until the bull run is completely finished in 2025. for long term I already hold BTC and no position in ICP. What would you recommend for the short term or what advice would you give me along the way?

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Krush82@Krush82

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@DonkeyInvestor you were both addressed in the article Appreciate your expertise very much

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Mr. Blue Sky@MrBlueSky

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@Krush82...I'll be happy to get back to you later, I'm busy at the moment. sorry.

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Krush82@Krush82

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@MrBlueSky I'd love to - I'm still in the data collection phase anyway ;-)

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Pope Donkey XXI@DonkeyInvestor

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@PowerWordChill and the common people obviously not

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Krush82@Krush82

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@PowerWordChill Thank you. These are all top 50 / top 100 coins so far. Do you think it's worth betting on the little sister/brother in terms of the risk/return ratio? I mean if I were to bet 1-2 k on 5-10 coins now. How do you rate the potential of the coins you mentioned. How much x would be possible in the bull case and how much x for the smaller coins?

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Vinc3🚀@BlockBard

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I have actually decided to put €1000 into altcoins as a pure gamble, or more precisely €100 into one altcoin at a time. What I once did was to list various "recommendations" and note them all in my own watchlist. They are all top 100 coins. The next step is to take a look at the market cap and how far away from the ATH it is. The focus is on AI and gaming + absolutely pointless coins. But as I said, pure gamble...in the long run they will all disappear. What I haven't thought about yet is when to get out if it actually goes up 🫣

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Leon@CptnCrxnch

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@coinvince in your case I would not look at old projects but rather at new ones that have not yet had a bull run (usually outside the top 100)

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Krush82@Krush82

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@coinvince interesting,,, would you like to share your list with me ?

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Vinc3🚀@BlockBard

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@CptnCrxnch if you're after x100 or something like that, it might make sense, but it's far too complicated for me. In my opinion, the "common" altcoins still have the potential to shoot up without any sense, that's what I'm aiming for 😁

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Vinc3🚀@BlockBard

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@Krush82 The list is still filling up, but the following are currently on it: NEAR, ICP, ATOM, RNDR, IMX, CRO, VET, FTM, FET, AGIX, WLD, SIGMA

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Krush82@Krush82

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@MrBlueSky @PowerWordChill @TradingMelone My preliminary portfolio selection for large/mid cap would be as follows
BTC
SOL
ICP
LINK
ARB / OP
RNDR / Akash
SIU
INJ
HBAR
(whereby everything except BTC and ICP would be new purchases) The total proportion of large/mid caps would be around 90%, leaving 10% for the small/micro caps. For ARB/OP and RNDR / Akash I'm not quite sure yet which one I will ultimately take. I'm also thinking about which should be the second/third largest position in terms of weighting. SOL or ICP?

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Mr. Blue Sky@MrBlueSky

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@Krush82.... Memes run on Sol. ICP runs artificial intelligence. Sol's Marcetcap 80 billion. ICP 5 billion.
My answer would be B ;-)

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Krush82@Krush82

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@MrBlueSky I think I will leave out SOL completely and buy more ICP instead. What do you think of the rest?

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Mr. Blue Sky@MrBlueSky

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@Krush82...a solid and good selection!
.... However, I would consider Aethir instead of Akash and Render.

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Krush82@Krush82

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@MrBlueSky I definitely want to pick Aethir too, I just haven't listed it because it's not a large/mid cap. That should be the solid part of the portfolio and be supplemented by Aethir, Operc and co as small cap rockets. It should also be just one coin, i.e. Render or Akash, just like ARB and OP. I just haven't decided.

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Mr. Blue Sky@MrBlueSky

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@Krush82 Now Aethir is not exactly small.

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LoneMelone@TradingMelone

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@Krush82 icp exactly the same sleeping cult project as XRP... I wouldn't include it in my port in 100 years, I don't see Siu that way either, the narrative would rather go to aptos and hbar is completely much in my opinion. The rest fits - although arb and op are so meh as an investment because we have a lot of new l2s this run that steal liquidity from the others 🙏

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Krush82@Krush82

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@TradingMelone thanks for your assessment who exactly do you see in the layer 2 coins ? Manta, LRC ?

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Mr. Blue Sky@MrBlueSky

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@Krush82 Eigenlayer

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Mr. Blue Sky@MrBlueSky

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@Krush82...congratulations on your successful start! You must have bought ICP "at the last minute" ;-)

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LoneMelone@TradingMelone

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@MrBlueSky eigenlayer is not an L2 and does not currently have a tradeable token. I think krush doesn't want to read into AirDrop hunting 😂

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100% in small cap, either you make a 10x -20x and have something of it .... or you just lose the taui which you won't be itching in a few months... (I assume)

It looks different if you want to invest 10k, mmn.

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Mr. Blue Sky@MrBlueSky

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....definitively without guarantee and without assumption of any responsibility. I am not an investment advisor!

- Beam (large) aka Merit Circle
- AiOZ Network (mid, wait for a setback here)

Small:
- octopus network
- shrapnel (kukoin)
- VRA
- GHX
- Altura

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Krush82@Krush82

1Yr

@MrBlueSky Don't worry, I'm not going to sue you 😅 I'm not going to blindly buy everything. I'll just take another closer look. By shrapnel you mean the coin that is currently at 0.26 (market cap approx. 61 million) not the one that is at 27.79, right?

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Mr. Blue Sky@MrBlueSky

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@Krush82 right. If you look at the course of the "good" games in the last run, shrapnel should outperform dramatically. However, the catch is that this coin will experience really strong inflation from July onwards. We will then have to see whether the inflation is simply "bought away". It worked for Gala or Arena in the last run, so I think the coin is a good investment.

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Krush82@Krush82

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@MrBlueSky the endeavor to buy the picked small cap coins in a very easy and relaxed way is more complex than expected, hence a question about mexc. Is it possible to cash out in fiat currency with all coins? Or do you have to swap to coin xyz?

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Mr. Blue Sky@MrBlueSky

1Yr

@Krush82....auscashen you should&can not there. You exchange back into USDT and send them back to Bitvavo, where you can then change back into euros. You have to think carefully about whether this still makes sense in view of the size of the position. It may be better to simply stay with Bitvavo and invest more in the large coins. I hardly ever cash out but simply hold USDC and USDT.

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Krush82@Krush82

1Yr

@MrBlueSky It's true, you have to weigh up whether it's worth all the effort. The way you handle it would probably be a viable option for me too -

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Krush82@Krush82

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@MrBlueSky I need your help. Apparently I can't send coins from Mexc via the Base Network. On Uniswap I need coins/tokens on the Base Network to buy coins like Aerodrome or Brett. And I don't see any possibility to exchange USDC OP or USDC Matic for USDC Base. How can I solve this problem?

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Mr. Blue Sky@MrBlueSky

1Yr

@Krush82...uff, you seem to have caught crypto fever ;-).
If you install a hot wallet, e.g. MetaMask, you can bridge accordingly. I don't have any experience with Base myself, but it should also work.
You just have to install the networks first. There are detailed instructions for MetaMask on the www.

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Krush82@Krush82

1Yr

@MrBlueSky You could say that I need to take a closer look at the Metamask wallet. I was able to solve this differently for now. Connected the Coinbase wallet to Sushi swap and am currently swapping the first tokens at Cross Casino

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