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$BTC - My "exit strategy"

Hello everyone,


the dear @Testo-Investor has asked me to write an article about my "Exit Strategy 2025". Out of fear of his biceps, I will of course fulfill his every wish!


In order to be able to define such an exit strategy, you first have to make assumptions about the price.


So here are my brief crystal ball scenarios for the Bitcoin price in 2024-25:

  • Dead Bear (you could also name the scenario after Frank Thelen):

-> Bitcoin price < 100k$

  • Bear

-> Bitcoin price between 100k$ and 120k$

  • Base

-> Bitcoin price between 120k$ and 180k$

  • Bull

-> Bitcoin price between 180k$ and 250k$

  • Omega Bull

-> Bitcoin price between 250k$ and 500k$


My plan:

I would like to sell a maximum of 30% of my Bitcoin position. Should the "Omega Bull" scenario materialize, I could imagine selling up to 20% depending on the situation. The rest of my position will definitely be hodled.


So when exactly do I plan to sell Bitcoin?

At 100k$, 150k$ and 175k$ I will sell 10% of my Bitcoin holdings.

I would then only sell another 10% from 250k$ and another 10% depending on the market situation if we go completely overboard. If the granny from the village suddenly tells me something about Bitcoin and I realize that the market is completely overhyped, I would sell another 10%.


It follows from this:

In the Frank Thelen dead bear scenario, I would sell nothing and continue to hodl everything. In the dead bear scenario I would sell 10% of my position and in the base scenario up to 30%. If we were to reach the Bull / Omega-Bull level, I would sell another 10-20% (although I consider this scenario to be very unlikely).


What do I do with the fiat money then?

As it stands now, I'm leaning towards boringly putting it all into a World ETF. I don't want to take any major risks with the money, which is why I will tend to avoid individual shares. One exception will be my employer's shares - as I have full insight into the business, I can well imagine building up a larger position here.

If Bitcoin goes into a bear market again and we see major setbacks, I would shift more out of the ETF and back into Bitcoin.


Why don't I just sell everything so that I can buy more Bitcoin later at a lower price?

  • Tax-free Bitcoin
  • What if there is a change in the law regarding tax exemption after 1 year (which I assume) and only the already tax-free Bitcoin is exempt from the change?
  • Market timing does not work
  • Catching the top of a potential bull run and then getting back in during a deep bear market sounds tempting - but I would never presume to do that.
  • What if you sell everything at $150k and then we shoot up to $500k? A 70% drop would only take us back to the original $150k. I don't know about you guys, but I could be thrown in a scenario like that.
  • Will the Bitcoin cycles continue?
  • There is a distinct possibility that now that Wall Street is on board, the cycles will not repeat themselves in the same way as before. Personally, I don't see any more 70-80% declines. Unless, of course, we completely exaggerate and the share price really does go down to half a million. However, I think it is more likely that the cycles will be broken in future and that the halvings will no longer have such a big effect on the share price. I expect slower, but more sustainable increases.


What do you think of my strategy and the price targets?

I'm looking forward to getting this post out again at the end of next year and seeing how well or badly I predicted the price and, above all, whether I stuck to my own strategy in the end😅


Have a nice evening!

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Very nice report, thank you for that. It also opened my eyes a bit to some areas, although I have a lot of old assets that I will definitely sell 100%. I'm not quite sure about ETH yet either, I'll have to make a plan for that too, but for me everything depends largely on the tax-free issue, which will start for me in March 2025 and where I can sell some batches for the first time
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You must be aware that you have a double risk with a high proportion of employer shares.
If the company goes bust, you lose your job and your money.
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@six Of course you're right :)
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At 10 million, I sell 90% of my Bitcoin. Regardless of whether it's 2025 or 2050 or never 😅
Until then, I'll buy more every month, so I'm saying that I don't have an exit strategy at all.
I'm planning to buy a house. I may decide in 10-15 years after the interest rate is fixed and my Bitcoin is hopefully worth many times over to include it as equity. Maybe they'll pay for the house in full, that would be great 😅 then I can invest more and have fun.
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@Joris built in 2020 and I didn't touch any Bitcoin for it. It was a very good decision afterwards 😁
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@sc11 Yes, exactly that. Afterwards you sell bitcoin for the house and it was a bad decision.
Therefore, just hodl.
Were you about to sell?
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@Joris No, I didn't actually consider it. To be honest, however, these were other price regions anyway and therefore also a significantly lower overall value.
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@sc1 ok, I'm curious to see what I can pay off my house with bitcoin after 10 years. 😅 maybe the Volksbank will accept bitcoin by then 😂 Joke's on me
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@sc1 oh crass. That changes my whole world view 😅 Thanks for the info
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@Joris is actually not the only one :) A VR Bank in the Black Forest has also jumped on the bandwagon and others will follow. For example, I have information from a VR Bank near me where this is currently being discussed (at board level).
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Thanks for the contribution! 🔥 Do you think the bull run will last until the end of 2025?
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@Max095 how is he supposed to know that ? I completely depend on the interest rates and whether the usa runs into a recession, if not then it will certainly still shoot well in 2025 ... so always keep an eye on the GDP of the usa ...
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@Max095 As Testo says, it depends heavily on the Americans and the American economy. If they go into a recession and the stock markets go down, then Bitcoin will go down with them :)
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I won't sell anything for less than 150k. Then I can't rule it out either, although I'm more likely to speculate on ~180k :)
Then the money will be temporarily parked in an ETF for about 1-1.5 years and at least partially reinvested in BTC.
It should take a while until the one-year holding period no longer exists and it should be foreseeable beforehand. Then you can get back in sooner if necessary.
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@sc11 also good plan :)
I'm really uninformed in the crypto space, so honest question - where are the crazy price targets coming from?
I would be happy myself because a few % of my portfolio is crypto, but I don't understand it 😅😂
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@Hofi is a mixture of experience, analysis of the past and the consideration of factors such as interest rate cuts, institutional interest vs. retail interest, ETF flows, Bitcoin holdings of miners, the halving that after Mt.Gox and the federal government the selling pressure will subside, etc. :)
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@Hofi This is his promise of returns to the stupid borrowers who are then supposed to buy the Bitcoin from him. Ponzi as it lives and breathes.
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@Madhatter5566 Where do I make a promise of return? :)
@stefan_21 Na in your post.... In order to find new debtors. While the price is plummeting.

Are you still in the bit with 99% of your money?
@stefan_21 aren't you the one with the Lambo in the YT ads?
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@Madhatter5566 and where do I promise what return? :) I only make price assumptions and write how I will react based on them.
I don't know what's got you so fucked up? Has Bitcoin ever done anything to you?
Yes I am still all in Bitcoin :)
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@Hofi no, I don't have a Lambo and I can't be found on yt either😅
@stefan_21 😂 Too bad, I would have loved it!
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@stefan_21 haha. It's your own fault. These are pure advertising posts from you with hidden advertising. Pure assumptions about how awesome Bitcoin will rise. You need it so that you can sell at a profit
@Hofi with just 4000 euros that you give me, I'll show you how others get rich. The secret: beg others for 4000 euros
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I've been in BTC since 2017, which now makes up an irresponsibly high proportion of my portfolio (relatively speaking).
After everything I've been through with my stack, I agree with your strategy of only selling a maximum of 30%, if at all.

I see Omega Bull as a bit too optimistic in this bull run :)
But who knows... the 2021 high surprised me too!

I would already sell 30% in your bull case to diversify a little better.
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@BigMo I also find Omega Bull unrealistic :)
How do you plan to sell ~30%? In tranches at certain price targets or all at once?
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@stefan_21 Depends on the sentiment and the chart at the next big breakout. I estimate between 100k - 150k. If it goes significantly higher, so be it :)
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I think the exit is good. I do something similar, except that the money then goes into palladium, oil and uranium. If you swap BTC into the world, you only put the money into a market that is going into the overriding bear market.

With commodities, I see value increases here, as the oil price is expected to rise to $250. The reason for such oil prices could be: 2nd wave of inflation. There will be something in the news 😅
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@Dirty30 Interesting idea. Commodities always do well, especially in crises. Maybe I'll mix something in there too🤔
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@stefan_21 Exactly. I'm definitely not going all in either, but it will be the market that yields returns in a bear market and then you can add something like that.
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@Dirty30 hey, do you buy the Wisdom, crude and Brent Oil ETF or how do you invest in oil and the other commodities?
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@Iwanowitsch Hello, I'm going for individual shares in oil and uranium. I have already opened my first positions in $OXY and may add another $DR0 later. For uranium I hold $UEC. With palladium, for example, I have taken an ETF $SPAL
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Very interesting and above all honest report. I've definitely saved it. I think it's important not to be too greedy in the end.
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I see BTC this bull run at 120-140k, I would hope your scenarios and then a shift into the Alts🙂‍↕️
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I continue to see gold as safer than Bitcoin. I have concerns about security, digital currency and also in the coming era of quantum computers, we will be able to manipulate Bitcoin transactions and currency conversion.
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@MrMister I can understand that you feel safer with gold. However, Bitcoin does have some advantages over gold that should not be underestimated.
It is easier to transport, easier to divide, absolutely scarce, forgery-proof, etc. :)
Quantum computers are currently still miles away from being dangerous and if we get anywhere near that at some point, there will most likely be an update to quantum-safe addresses.
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In recent cycles, we have always seen a multiplication from the last ATH to the new ATH. Why do you think it won't be the same this time? 120K would "only" be a doubling. Personally, I would find that very disappointing.
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@MoneyGame In the last few cycles, however, this has also continued to decrease in percentage terms. Which is also logical, of course. After all, more capital is needed to move the share price :)
I also find 120k a bit disappointing. I'm actually assuming at least 150k.
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@stefan_21 True, the increases are getting smaller, but if the new ATH is not at least 150K, I could have put the money into a Nasdaq 100 ETF with far less risk and I would have gotten more out of it. Then Bitcoin loses its appeal as a highly speculative investment.
@MoneyGame
With a market capitalization of over 1 trillion, I no longer consider the asset to be highly speculative.
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I think the article is quite good, but somehow I can't imagine that $BTC will reach 100k in the next 12 months.
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@Greenkeeper_17 Let us be surprised.
I don't have a crystal ball either. However, I actually expect prices to be well over 100k$ :)
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@stefan_21 then I hope that your assumption comes true and not mine 😂
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@Greenkeeper_17 just happened to see your comment again😁 can you imagine it now? :D
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And on the subject of market timing not working: so far, every cycle top has been predicted to within days by the Pi-Cycle top indicator. That's why you could see in 2021 that the top was already in April (PI-Cycle "hit" on 12.04.21) and the higher price in November 21 was just an overshooting B-wave
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And what is your existence strategy if it is then at 0 euros. Zero nada nothing
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How do you deal with other coins?
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