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Excess returns with leveraged ETFs? - Risks, backtests and strategies

Let's talk about leveraged ETFs! On the occasion of the recent Finanzfluss video on leveraged ETFs and because questions keep coming up here in the forum, I'm writing down my thoughts on this for all of you who want more from the stock market than the 7%pa capital market return (like me!).


This much in advance: leveraged ETFs make it possible - but not that easy!


Ready? Then make yourself comfortable and enjoy the wild ride into the realm of leveraged ETFs!


1. introduction


What are leveraged ETFs?


In short: leveraged ETFs work with borrowed capital. The proportion of borrowed capital results in a leverage on the capital invested. In simple terms, an ETF with borrowed capital in the amount of your equity would be a 2-fold leveraged ETF. This doubles the (daily) performance, i.e. if the underlying index rises by 1%, the 2xETF gains 2%, if the index falls by 1%, the 2xETF loses 2%.


Advantages and disadvantages of leveraged ETFs


Leveraged ETFs can generate significant excess returns. Since 1977, a 2x leveraged ETF on the S&P500 has achieved around 18%pa. Anyone can work out for themselves what this return amounts to over 30 years. Even Bitcoin is sweating and Buffett can pack his bags! So the holy grail of investing? Not at all!


Of course, the dream return of leveraged ETFs has its downsides.

First of all, there is the high maximum drawdown of -80% for the 2xS&P500 vs. 50% for the S&P500. If only €20,000 of €100,000 is left, it's not just the wife who is breathing down your neck!

Secondly, there is the path dependency, which ensures a longer drawdown phase. A simple example: 100 - 20% + 20% = 96 vs. 100 - 2x20% +2x20% = 84. If the whole world is cheering about new ATHs and you are still in the red, it's almost as if you were the idiot who wasn't invited to the party.

Thirdly, there are the borrowing costs. In the case of leveraged ETFs, these are roughly equal to the issuer's capital refinancing costs, which is an advantage over bank loans. However, these can also amount to up to 5%pa, which is then deducted from the performance on a daily basis.

In mathematical terms, these disadvantages are manageable in the long term, but the psychological risk of selling at an unfavorable moment with high losses is higher than you might initially think, especially if you are not familiar with long and deep drawdowns. Long-term Bitcoin investors are likely to have a psychological advantage here. But wouldn't it be nice if you could contain this risk as much as possible without having to forego the opportunities or take the detour via Bitcoin?


What else needs to be considered?


There are various 2x leveraged ETFs on large indices (including MSCI World : edit: not true, it is only available as 3x). These still count as special assets and the partial tax exemption applies. At mylife invest you can even save tax-free in the pension insurance wrapper. The TERs for leveraged ETFs are usually somewhat higher, around 0.5%.

There are also some ETFs with higher leverage (3x-5x). These are then regarded as derivatives that are not held as special assets, for which the partial exemption does not apply and losses are offset differently. They are not suitable for a long-term investment. That is why I am only discussing the 2x leverage variant here.


Question: What strategies are there for leveraged ETFs? What is possible?


Let's test that now!


2nd benchmark: S&P500


First of all, it is important to choose a proper benchmark in order to be able to assess the quality of a strategy. I use the S&P500, as it is based on historical data www.Portfoliovisualizer.com historical data back to 1977. The similarity to the MSCI World is relatively high.


I calculate with 10,000$ starting capital and 1,000$/month savings plan. That should be about right for many people here. As a result, I list the final capital, the CAGR, TWRR and mDD.

To explain: CAGR: Compound Annual Growth Rate; average annual return on invested capital (own performance); TWRR: Time-Weighted Return; average annual return of the portfolio (strategy performance); mDD: Maximum Drawdown; largest difference between a high and a low point (risk).


This became 10,000$ with 1000$ savings rate in S&P500:

1977-24: $35M/ CAGR 18.7%/ TWRR 11.4%/ mDD -50.4%

2000-24: 1.8m$/ CAGR 22.3%/ TWRR 7.5%/ mDD -43.7%


3. single-asset B&H strategy


Idea: A regular savings plan allows you to benefit from lower purchase prices. The disadvantage of the high drawdown could also be an advantage.


Backtest: 2xS&P500, 10,000$ + 1000$/M., no taxes/transaction costs, 3%pa average cost of capital (must be entered separately in the tool).

1977-2024: 256mio$/ CAGR 23.7%/ TWRR 17.5%/ mDD -79.2%

2000-2024: $3.9m/ CAGR 27.4%/ TWRR 9.5%/ mDD -75.0%


Analysis: With a savings plan on a leveraged ETF, a significant excess return of +6.1%pa could be achieved in the past. However, the drawdown is much higher at 80%. Only a few can withstand that!

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4. multi-asset B&H strategy


Idea: Perhaps a clever combination of uncorrelated asset classes can reduce the drawdown without having to sacrifice significant returns?


Backtest 1: 60/40 classic: 60% 2xS&P500, 40% 2xT-Notes (10-year US government bonds)


1977-24: $139m; CAGR 22.2%; TWRR 15.8%; mDD -51.5%

2000-24: $2.2m; CAGR 24.4%; TWRR 9.7%mDD -44.7%


Analysis: The addition of leveraged bonds reduces the excess return over the S&P500 to 2-4%pa. But the drawdown is now at the level of the S&P500. More return with the same risk!


Backtest 2: Optimized portfolio: 40% 2xS&P500, 30% 2xT-Notes, 30% 2xGold


1977-24: $69m; CAGR 20.4%; TWRR 14.5%; mDD -35.9%

2000-24: $2.3m; CAGR 24.7%; TWRR 11.5%mDD -33.0%


Analysis: The excess return compared to the S&P500 remains at around 3-4% due to the addition of bonds and gold. However, the drawdown is now significantly reduced, compared to the 2xS&P500 by about half. More return with less risk!


General explanation: Diversified portfolio concepts usually serve to spread or reduce risk. This necessarily comes at the expense of returns. This disadvantage can be compensated for with leverage. The key is to find an allocation in which the risk does not increase more than the return as a result of the leverage. Incidentally, Wisdomtree offers the EfficientCore ETF, a 1.5x leveraged ETF on the 60-40 portfolio - perhaps it is worth considering as a savings plan ETF?

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5. single-asset trend-following strategy


Idea: Since the large drawdowns occur mainly in bear markets, they can perhaps be avoided with a trend-following strategy without having to forego the excess returns of bull markets.


Backtest: Rule: Save and hold the 2xS&P500 ETF if the price of the S&P500 is above the SMA150 at the turn of the month, otherwise save and hold cash (I use the 150-day simple moving average because it is the average of the popular SMA100 and SMA200). Unfortunately, PV only allows you to backtest this strategy back to 2000, but since there have been various crises, a decade of a saw market and a decade of a bull market since then, the results should still be reasonably meaningful


Result:

2000-24: $3.1m; CAGR 26.1%; TWRR 12.7%; mDD -41.3%


The excess return over the B&H S&P500 rises to approx. 5%pa. The risk is slightly lower than the S&P500. Higher return with the same risk!


General explanation: Trend-following strategies for ETFs usually reduce the drawdown, but do not increase returns. Leveraged ETFs take advantage of this downside of the strategies.

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6. multi-asset trend-following strategy


Idea: A combination of a trend-following strategy and a multi-asset strategy can potentially further reduce risk without jeopardizing returns.


Backtest: Rule: Save and hold 40% 2xS&P500, 30% 2xT-Notes, 30% 2xGold, if the respective price is above the SMA150 at the turn of the month, otherwise save and hold cash.


2000-24: $1.6m; CAGR 22.8%; TWRR 10.9%; mDD -16.2%


Analysis: The excess return compared to the S&P500 falls to 4%pa. However, this is accompanied by a drastic reduction in risk, especially compared to the 80% drawdown in the 2xS&P500 savings plan.

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7. summary


Leveraged index ETFs offer significantly higher opportunities than normal index ETFs. But they are also riskier: they can incur higher losses, underperform for a very long time and cause greater psychological stress.

To keep these risks under control, leveraged ETFs should only be bought with clear strategies that limit the risk. These could be passive multi-asset strategies, active trend-following strategies or a combination of these. With these strategies, the return can be increased with the same risk or the risk can be reduced with the same return or even better: the return can be increased AND the risk reduced (Kommer doesn't like that!).


In short: Leveraged ETFs are a great thing - if you use them correctly!


8 Possible leverage ETFs


Xtrackers S&P 500 2x Leveraged Daily Swap UCITS ETF 1C LU0411078552

WisdomTree Gold 2x Daily Leveraged JE00B2NFTL95

WisdomTree US Treasuries 10Y 3x Daily Leveraged IE00BKT09032

WisdomTree US Efficient Core UCITS ETF IE000KF370H3 (1.5x leveraged 60/40 portfolio)


9. links for further information


Financial flow video: "Is it worth leveraging the market in the long term?

leverage?" https://youtu.be/gjECYPOZP9g?si=WuqNPYatGAWz5ZNy


Research paper: Leverage for the Long Run - A Systematic

Approach to Managing Risk and Magnifying Returns in Stocks https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2741701


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Thank you. Financial flow video is also top
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At last, another high-quality contribution. Thank you! 🤝🏼

You mentioned the pension insurance cover in your post. Do you use something like that? If so, what are the advantages/disadvantages?

So far I've only ever heard that the costs don't outweigh the benefits.
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@Fynn- Thank you. Yes, I use such a coat, but I'm still unsure whether it's worth it. My contract has a cost of about 0.2%pa. Somewhere around there is the breakeven point for a WorldETF. For GTAA it's worth it, whether for leveraged ETFs, I'll have to do the math.

The advantage is definitely the tax. You only pay tax when it is paid out and then only on half of the profits. The disadvantage is definitely the costs. You have to weigh that up. In addition, there are small things like legal security or special assets, which could be important for some people.

I wanted to write another post on pension insurance anyway. It takes time, I have to have the time.
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@Fynn- It will be Sor, because the insurers do nothing else, they want to make a profit!
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Absolutely for the #gqevergreens @DonkeyInvestor
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@GoDividend Haha, thank you! 🤗
Maybe one or the other will consider simply starting with a 3xNasdaq100 ETF and then complaining a year later. 😅
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@GoDividend the #gqevergreens are no longer maintained. Instead, please ask @Kundenservice to include the contribution in the Best Of
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@DonkeyInvestor the best of thing is so confusing so please maintain the evergreens weiter👆🏽
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@Alpalaka NEVER! Perhaps someone from @Kundenservice would like to take over the contribution
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@DonkeyInvestor lazy piece


Evergreens >> Best Of
@Kundenservice can't you set it up like this so that a newcomer doesn't have to search to death?
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@Alpalaka For the "Best Of" feed we are thinking about some kind of index or something similar to make it clearer. :)
At the moment it's simply organized chronologically.
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@Kundenservice Why is such an article not linked in the newsletter, for example?
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@Alpalaka We have posts in the newsletter every week, but can't mention all the good ones that week. :)
In addition, we always have to see what works in the newsletter and what doesn't, so that we naturally include content that interests a lot of people.
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You went to a lot of trouble. Many thanks for sharing.
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If you would like to take a closer look at the topic, here is a good and elaborate presentation of the subject:
https://www.reddit.com/r/mauerstrassenwetten/comments/s71qds/zahlgrafs_exzellente_abenteuer_teil_1/
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@Lukas2998 You have a few hours to do.
@Gehebeltes-EFH Leveraged ETFs have a lot of potential, but they are also risky. You should only invest in them if you are familiar with the subject. There are also numerous other sources that you should look into.
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Doing the whole thing since January with Nasdaq2x and 200 MA of S&P500 as reference - so far in the
principle zero-sum game 😅🤝🏼
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Why the MA from the S&P500? What advantage do you expect to gain?
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@randomdude Nasdaq is more volatile, I attach more lasting importance to the S&P falling below the 200SMA than to the Nasdaq. Fewer trades.
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@doddelwa According to the reddit discussion, this seems to work well. I would still be concerned that the signals are not quite as reliable because, for example, tech crashes and the S&P holds up when the other sectors are stable. A backtest that includes the early 2022 period would be good.
To take out volatility, I would prefer to adjust the MA and trade on fixed days, e.g. weekly or monthly.
Have you done your own backtests?
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Incidentally, it would also be worth considering whether to take the MA - from whichever index - using the dollar or euro exchange rate.
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Nope, it's only a 15% admixture anyway, if you take S&P it's probably about 5 trades per year, don't want to complicate it unnecessarily.
@doddelwa Why don't you do it with the S&P 500 x3 as presented in the paper? I've been doing it since last time, the entry was at the beginning of November and the position is now a little over 100% up.
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@Lukas2998 Long historical test series show that leverage above 2 tends to be disadvantageous. Just look at the synthetic development of 3xQQQ since 2000. It is still not at the level it was back then.
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@Lukas2998 see @Epi
@doddelwa @Epi When it comes to simply holding a leveraged ETF for the long term, 2x is much better than 3x, you are right (page 8).
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1664823

But when it comes to the 200SMA strategy, 3x is clearly better, see backtest over 100 years (page 17). The 2x achieves an annual return of 19%, the 3x 26.7%.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2741701
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We talked about it in the comments, you announce a post and I miss it. I've now left a subscription. Won't happen again 😁

At the moment I'm running a self-made multi-factor strategy (+ some gold).
I also have a few gimmicks that aren't really worth mentioning.
Something like that would be an interesting approach as a satellite, even if the portfolio could get kind of ugly if I add a leveraged ETF, leveraged gold and leveraged bonds to my colorful mix 😂

What I haven't quite understood yet is why leveraged bonds (which I admit I know little about) and leveraged gold are used. Would it produce significantly different results unleveraged?
I really need to learn how to use the backtests. I've always had problems with it.
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@SchlaubiSchlumpf Bonds and gold are leveraged to compensate for the increased volatility of equities. If the equity part is running on steroids, you can only absorb a sell-off with appropriate counterparties.

With bonds, however, it is debatable whether it makes a significant difference whether you leverage 10-year bonds twice or simply take the 20-year bonds.

In the course of my 3xGTAA optimization, I also asked myself whether it wouldn't make sense to choose the leverage of the assets individually so that the vola ends up being roughly the same for all of them. Then the diversification effect would be the strongest. Complicated, but apparently effective.
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Just had a look at the Mauerstraßenwetten article that Lukas linked to. He came to a similar point as me.

Admittedly you are on the high ground with your work in terms of knowledge, as I haven't even done a backtest. But isn't the intention of gold and bonds more to start vola and make some returns on the side? It's not as if gold has less correlation when leveraged. I'm speculating via leverage that gold will outperform interest rates, right? Is it similar with leveraged treasuries?

I think you have to deal with this topic for weeks even if you have an affinity for mathematical models if you also work full-time. Since I don't really like technical analysis, I'm a bit skeptical about the moving average story. Even if the success proves it right.
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@Epi However, I think you can see that I have only gained limited experience with leveraged products in particular, as my multi-factor Klimbim gets by without them 😁
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@SchlaubiSchlumpf Of course, the task of the assets is to absorb the vola. But they only do this if they fluctuate to a similar extent, just differently.
Example: SP500 falls by 5%, 2x leveraged by 10%. Then it is of little use to you if bonds rise by 2% and gold by 4% at the same time. With equal weighting you would then have 6-10 /3 = -1.3%. If you leverage gold and bonds 2x, you get 12-10 / 3 = +1.2%. And then over 20 years...

In the portfolio, you are not speculating on one asset in particular, but on the combination.
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@Epi wouldn't that imply that gold and long-dated bonds have a negative correlation to the S&P? As long as they are only uncorrelated and not negatively correlated, I would intuitively not care if they are leveraged, right? (I know I'm almost falling into arguing, but I can certainly see the possibility that I have misconceptions here due to lack of experience)
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@Epi ah I think I've seen the important point. While gold tends to be uncorrelated across everything, it tends to be negatively correlated in bear markets 🥴
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@SchlaubiSchlumpf Exactly, the correlations between equities, gold and bonds are dynamic, but on average close to zero (bonds slightly below zero). As long as this remains the case, the best way to diversify is through equal weighting, which in turn is best achieved by equalizing the volas.
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@Epi hmm did you throw that into the backtest without the leverage in gold and treasuries? Call me stupid, but I still don't see that higher gold or treasury vola really helps me that much. The more important role that gold and bonds play in my view is not to fluctuate so much. In other words, to provide a cash reserve if my S&P leveraged goes down. And in the meantime not to lose so much value, or to gain a little. I'm not sure if the benefit of the somewhat anti-cyclical behavior in bear markets outweighs the disadvantage of the product costs and path dependency of the derivatives compared to an ETC/bond. The big effect of rebalancing does not come from the fact that my safety anchor makes God knows what return, but that it delivers cash when rebalancing. (At least that's my idea, which as I said would fit in with the wall street bets).

Unfortunately, without a subscription to the Portfolio Visualizer, I can only look back so far. In this limited period, however, things did not look so bad for the non-leveraged safety anchors.
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@SchlaubiSchlumpf Of course, I first test the asset allocations without leverage. If a good CAGR with a low maxDD then emerges over several time series, you can use leverage. And you get this effect quite well with gold and bonds. If you then remove individual assets from the leverage again, the model no longer works.

Rebalancing certainly has the effect of shifting cash from stable assets to fallen ones. The ARERO World Fund shows that this does not necessarily have a good result. It is constantly shifting from winners to losers.

Ultimately, these strategies are always about steepening and smoothing the yield curve. And that works quite well with individual levers.

By the way, try signing up to PV with a garbage email. 🤫
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@Epi awesome 😂 I'll give it a try. Especially as you can use the two-week trial period.
Sorry if I'm being a bit exhausting. I always have to understand something like that, otherwise I wouldn't consider it as an investment case. I suppose I'll have to overlay the curves.

What do you think of the strategy yourself? Will you align the portfolio (or parts of it) accordingly? If so, which of the strategies?
@Epi you write that there is a 2x MSCI World, what is the ISIN? I'm pretty sure it doesn't exist.
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@Lukas2998 You're right. There is only one 3xACWI. XS2399364822 $3vte

But this is a cucumber. <1million volume, almost 4%TER, fat down since inception 1/22.
@Epi I didn't even know about it, unfortunately there is no good internationally diversified version.
The only possibility I know of is to build your own leverage using the MSCI World ex USA. However, this is unattractive due to the necessary rebalancing.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Finanzen/s/5Sj9eUjNRf
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Great overview. However, I believe that almost nobody with big money will be able to hold out buy&hold. Most people already sell everything in a normal bear market with less than 100% equity exposure.
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@FamilyFinance Yes, the psychological risk is quite high with leveraged ETFs. Hence my attempts to reduce this risk with strategies with lower drawdowns. Trend-following strategies in particular seem to go very well with leveraged ETFs. It's just not B&H...
@Epi Yes, I know about the 200-day line. The question is how much is the outperformance against the normal S&P500 if you deduct ~18.5% tax on every sale of the leveraged ETF and just stubbornly hold the normal S&P500. But it is probably difficult to calculate.
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@FamilyFinance Yes, this calculation is not so simple, especially with the complicated German tax law. 😅
You could possibly include the 19% as a performance fee. 🤷
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@FamilyFinance Until now, it was too complicated for me to consider the tax effects in a real backtest. I have always done it with simplified model calculations. The results suggest that the tax eats up 1-2% percentage points of return. Since we assume a significant excess return with leverage models (otherwise the effort wouldn't be worth it), this aspect has never stopped me from trying something like this in practice.
Next year, my portfolio will probably enter the region where the allowance is no longer sufficient for the first time. Let's see how that feels.
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@randomdude I find the strategy very interesting as an add-on. But 100% and then at some point more than €100k, how is someone supposed to cope with that if it blows up in your face in a few days in a bear market? I think it's extremely underestimated. In the bull market, everything is peace, joy and pancakes. In a bear market, you also have to make sure that you get out quickly if the "normal" market falls by 5-10% in one day. If you then "sleep" for 1-2 days, the drop is already sucked and the way out of the minus can then take a very long time. You first have to have the patience and the balls.
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@FamilyFinance Take another look at the maxDD of the leveraged multi-asset timing strategy and compare it with that of the ACWI. In purely mathematical terms, your concerns apply more to the ACWI than to the leverage strategy. 🤷
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@FamilyFinance In addition to what @epi says, you should of course develop rules for such strategies that allow you to easily sleep through several days. So it's better to trade on fixed days every week or month than to stare at the 200-day line every day.
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@Epi Right, I got stuck with the S&P500 leveraged for the time being. I'll take a closer look again.
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Mega! Many thanks for the backtests!
I've been working with leverage ETFs for some time now and have also dared to do backtests via Portfoliovisualiser... but I'm not sure whether the path dependency can be represented correctly here. Can this be calculated correctly at all with backtests/portfolio visualizers?
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@Penguin_counting_coins Why shouldn't it? As I understand it, the leverage is reset to the set value every day, even with PV.
Just take a look at the performance of 3xQQQ (setting: 200% leverage, 3% costs) since 2000. There you can see that the path dependency is mapped.
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@Epi Right, you're right! Thanks for this great contribution 🙌🏼
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@Penguin_counting_coins Thank you. No problem, the subject matter is not easy and I am constantly learning.
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Thank you very much, very informative! 👍
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Question about trend following: If the S&P falls below 150 SMA at the beginning of the month, should I sell everything and go into cash or just not save in the ETFs for this month but save in cash instead?

If everything were to be sold every time, transaction costs and possibly taxes would reduce the returns considerably.
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@capital_sherpa_280 Good question!
The rule of the trend-following model states that everything must be sold immediately if the price falls below the signal line. In the multi-asset portfolio, this block is then in cash.

Your concerns about the costs are of course justified. That is why there are other things to consider with regard to costs for a sensible application of the trend-following model. For example, I am with Smartbroker Plus, where the trade only costs the spread. I manage part of my capital in a pension insurance fund, where the transactions are tax-neutral.
You have to get creative if you want to take full advantage of the opportunities offered by the financial market.
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@Epi That sounds like a lot of effort and "back and forth empties your pockets." 😅

Are you pursuing any of these strategies? If so, which one and for how long?
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@capital_sherpa_280 Well, if that's a bit too much effort... I don't want to know how much time and brainpower some people put into analyzing stocks.

And the back and forth saying refers to emotional, not rule-based trading at the turn of the month. Turnover is around 250-300% pa, so it's within reason.

I follow a modified multi-asset trend following strategy, once unleveraged since 2/23 once with 3x leverage since 11/23, but my current savings focus is on the 3x model. You can read about it on my profile page.
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@Epi What does that look like in practice? Do you look at the SMA 150 every month on the first day of the US stock market open and then decide whether to sell everything or not?

What happens if the SMA 150 is slightly undercut at the open but is above it again at the close?
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@capital_sherpa_280 In practice, my approach is quite pragmatic. The price is usually well above or below the SMA at the end of the month anyway. If it is hovering around it, I just wait a little longer until the price has made up its mind or I look to see if there is any other support nearby.
At first I was worried about the promille. Now I tell myself: if the market doesn't want to make a decision, I don't have to. If I only trade the clear signals, that's enough. The small stuff averages itself out over time anyway. I only want to ride the big upward trends and avoid the downward ones. That is also the basic idea behind all trend-following strategies.
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Thanks for the article, interesting.
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Wow, thanks for the detailed article. This is exactly what I've been wanting to know about leveraged ETFs all along. Very high quality.

Cheers mate 🥂
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Thomas mentioned in his video that the return does not double at 2x and used the annual performance between 1x and 2x. From this he came to the conclusion that the risk doubles, but the return does not. However, he made an example of a savings plan in which the final capital is €300,000 at 1x and >€900,000 at 2x. I also think it's important to consider that the return can very well have the 2x effect on the long run due to compound interest. Right?
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@theflyingsquirrel Sure. You can easily see it in the different final sums in the backtest. After a few decades, a 5%pa difference quickly turns into a few hundred million dollars.
You just have to make the time series long enough, then the effect is also there with a 0.1%pa difference 😉
Thomas' backtest only goes back a few years. The effect is there too, but not as strong.
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@Epi How do you do such baking tests? Which programs do you need? I would also like to do this and would be happy to receive an answer
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There is also the 9 trillion dollar strategy. I think that's better! I've personally been following it for a few years now! I can only recommend it.
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