2Yr·

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But let's be honest:

How did your job search go so far, if you were willing to change jobs?

Did you have to go through an elaborate application process or were you contacted by recruiters?

Tell us a little bit about what you've been up to 😇.

I've had it all so far.

From a short phone call to direct contact by the companies or simple applications or even miserably long processes (incl. graphological expertise...).

My experience is that if a company wastes too much time with any application process, then it sometimes does not serve the purpose of finding the optimal candidate, but is sometimes also a bit of provocation to see who is really interested in the position.

Personally, I think that the probationary period is there to see if it fits.

Whether you can even afford such a thing in today's situation on the market for skilled workers remains to be seen.

18 Comments

Marco@Marco-VI

2Yr

I am not one of those willing to change jobs, but as I see it, many personnel managers (especially ours) have not yet changed their thinking. They are not aware of how scarce personnel are in certain areas and still approach it with a certain arrogance.

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Staatsmann@Staatsmann

2Yr

@Marco-VI I was once invited to an interview by recruiters and the recruiter asked me why I had just applied there and wanted to work at the company. He was 0 prepared and only had his standard questions. When I then said that I had not applied but had been contacted by their recruiters, he was completely thrown off his game.

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Marco@Marco-VI

2Yr

@Staatsmann This basically hits the nail on the head

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NEWT@SteelAnacott

2Yr

@Staatsmann Something similar happened to me once. My first thought was also "Excuse me? You guys contacted me, right?" The conversation also included the question, "How do you think we should change our processes?" "I don't know, I don't even know your processes yet." I walked out of there shaking my head and today I'm glad I didn't end up there.

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Staatsmann@Staatsmann

2Yr

@NEWT1 Yes, I am then. A few weeks later I was contacted again with the same text 😅

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Thomas@Xetra

2Yr

@Staatsmann This move has already happened to me. Since I know how most (external) recruiters work, I was prepared. They search your profile on LinkedIn, XING, trade fairs or whatever for buzzwords and write to you (sometimes automatically). This is similar to spam pure statistics: if you write to 100 people, you will get 20 answers and 5 numbers or conversations will result. My tip: stay casual but decent and play the ball back. At the time, I pointed out that my current employer was doing very well and had contacted me. I followed the interview invitation because I would like to know why they think that I fit into their team and what their story is, with which they believe they can support my personal development in contrast to my current employer. With recruiters, their eyes tend to shine, but the professional contacts tend to stutter.

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Ste R.@HorstYoshi

2Yr

I started my apprenticeship in the company in 2004 and I'm still here. And if the company exists until retirement, I will also stay here. 🙈😂

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Martin von mit Verstand zum Kapital@MitVerstandzumKapital

2Yr

I used to change a lot, but only to make a jump each time. Quasi I went to the company and gave my idea and my conditions. Had no pressure, since I had a job behind me. In my current job, I was approached by the company itself, which heard a lot about me. So of course the position was very good. I've been there for a few years now and I'm still very satisfied. They leave me alone and trust me.

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finance_noob2000@finance_noob2000

2Yr

CV must be enough, 2-3 conversation maximum one hour, then the decision must be there. Had once at VW 3-4 interviews including 2.5.std presentation and then they have simply made times company vacations and I have heard 4 weeks nothing, that was then too doof for me 😅

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Thomas@Xetra

2Yr

@finance_noob2000 Welcome to the Group. Some have understood that this is not the way to attract top talent, while others are still very much caught up in the old structures. It's always nice to have several irons in the fire and to be able to set your own conditions instead of having things dictated to you.

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Pope Donkey XXI@DonkeyInvestor

2Yr

For me, it's actually always a long application process. Whether approached by recruiters or applied myself. I always had 3-4 stages. But it may also depend on the position. Personally, I think it's a good thing. Unlike you, I have no desire to look for something new during or after the probationary period. I prefer to get to know the company in detail beforehand. I even go so far as to insist on additional stages if I feel I don't yet know the environment well enough. When I hire staff myself, there are exactly two steps: getting to know each other with me + HR and then either a trial job or a coding challenge, which is then discussed with the team (ideally including a joint lunch break). As a manager, it is most important to me that the applicant and the team harmonize. So sometimes someone other than my favorite is hired.

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Staatsmann@Staatsmann

2Yr

@DonkeyInvestor I find unnecessarily long processes superfluous. There are procedures where I can understand if there are several rounds, but sometimes it's just a waste of time. No matter if it's for a management position or a specialist position. Especially if you then use controversial things like graphological reports, etc. Most of the time it's a small get-to-know-you interview where it's really just about sympathy and cultural fit. Then a case study followed by the final interview, where it's really about skills and co. I don't fancy a job in the probationary period either, but some application processes are so long that it's more of a test of patience and no longer has anything to do with checking qualifications or cultural fit. When I hire personnel, there are usually 3 phases as well. 1. get-to-know interview 2. case study 3. final interview Here, too, I sometimes place more value on sympathy, because to a certain extent you can learn skills.

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Manuel@Variett

2Yr

Am in my mid 20's at 3rd company, with current one through a headhunter. Both my company and the headhunter actively communicated with each other. The reason for each change was that the previous companies were not willing to talk about salary increases (max 5%) and when changing directly accepted more than 30% without discussion. But the last one was also the change from employer in the country to employer in the big city (with full home office).

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Markus@b00

2Yr

I am also in the nice situation of being in a sought-after industry as an ERP consultant. A dear former colleague once described us as software whores. I've been in the industry for 10 years now and have learned for myself that loyalty doesn't necessarily pay off and that a change quickly promises 10k more a year and that you don't necessarily have to struggle in mediocre conversations with mediocre middle management regarding salary adjustments. The chance comes once - at most a second time - after that it is enough. If every 2 weeks a headhunter writes, it is a clear employee market in the industry. In this respect, I am always latently willing to change and then go accordingly sometimes to the more interesting offers from headhunters. If there is a fruit basket in the job description, you can also sort it out directly because the company will not pay reasonably. I sell my time for money. Accordingly, I prefer to sell to the highest bidder. Whether the team fits, I find hardly noticeable in short conversations, there is then also the probationary period - for both sides. If it is an exaggerated multi-stage process - even here my time is too precious. No matter how interesting the job is. If the hiring process is already unnecessarily long - how are the other processes going? The cultural fit is important - you should be able to find it out in 1-3 hours of conversation. Of course, it's easier with an existing job behind you and without pressure. Then you can also test how HR and the manager react. The technical aspects come in the course of time. In my industry - whether the software is blue and has 3 letters on it or whether it is red or orange - they are all similar in content. From this point of view, I'll probably remain a software whore for the time being - hanging out in hotels, working for disgustingly high daily rates and with whatever software and customers I can't choose.

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Staatsmann@Staatsmann

2Yr

@b00 Are you then an employee service provider as a consultant or do you go from company to company as a self-employed person?

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Markus@b00

2Yr

@Staatsmann I prefer the "risk-free" employee existence. (with the customers you can not choose) In addition to the acquisition effort, I shy away from the risks that the one or the other hour too much system downtime could cost, or only expensive to insure. The more users work with the software and the more expensive the goods are, or depending on how much is converted, the more it adds up quickly. And without the ERP, the store quickly comes to a standstill. Even the planned downtime is enough when the customer is breathing down your neck - and don't you dare misinterpret a thousand separator during data migration.... ;-) There are certainly more fulfilling jobs - but unfortunately you can rarely afford the hobby of shares from stroking puppies.

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Staatsmann@Staatsmann

2Yr

@b00 Alright, thanks :) I also "changed shores" and went from being self-employed back to being an employee.

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Leonard@Osiriz

2Yr

I got my current job by being approached on social media by the HR department. Before that, I was contacted a lot by recruiters and then sent directly to several interviews, but that was not really good and mass processing. You were simply reduced to a skill and had to introduce yourself directly to someone 120km away from your home, because the recruiter had no idea and needed candidates. Otherwise, I got a job through personal recommendation and my first job was classic applications to all possible companies. So everything was there. I wouldn't want to go through classic assessment centers again, and then I just do without. Taking extra vacation and then counting certain numbers in a jumble or solving mathematical tasks or working for a day for free... No thanks, I'm now too experienced for that and there is currently an employee market, there are enough alternatives.

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