Market situation

5D

@Tuffbet Thanks for your words. I'm just disappointed in myself.

••

Timo@Aktienorang-Utan

5D

@Max095 Why are you disappointed in yourself?

••

5D

@Aktienorang-Utan to have invested blindly, and to be heavily in the red with many individual stocks ...

•

1

•

Timo@Aktienorang-Utan

5D

Oh, that's not so bad. I thought the same thing back during the corona crash and always bought more and in the end it paid off. Stay calm, keep investing if you are convinced and wait and see. Unfortunately, things can't always go up, but they will :-)

•

7

•

5D

Sometimes the stock market is more psyche than reason! Personally, I would never invest money that I might need for the next 2-3 years!

•

3

•

Rolex Federer@federalreserve

5D

@Max095 That's why you don't have to be disappointed in yourself 😉 At some point, the crash will be over and then you can be proud of yourself for persevering 💪

••

5D

@Max095 Then you have to deal with which stocks will make the turnaround. You hold them. Sell the uncertain ones that are down and put them in an ETF or stocks that are up.

•

1

•

Jo@oeffi

4D

@Tuffbet Take a look around the forum. Most people are just like you.

••

Rolex Federer@federalreserve

4D

@federalreserve Thanks for your advice, 🙏I can't say which ones will make it and which ones won't ...

•

1

•

4D

@Max095 No, you can't just say that. It would be far too easy for everyone to just make a profit. You have to assess that, it can be right or wrong.

•

1

•

Ver todas as 3 restantes respostas

MR.Bean@Bizzle

5D

Wait and see, let savings plans run and hold on to cash

•

8

•

sakamo@sakamo

5D

Ditto. I find it scary at the moment too, especially because many just seem to fall for no reason. Nevertheless, I'll just wait and see and if a few of my positions reach a certain limit, I'll buy something more.

•

7

•

5D

The US markets have just torn and tested their 200-day moving averages. Nothing major.

The historic overvaluation, the re-inversion of the yield curve, the sovereign debt escalation, the trade war - all of this has yet to be priced in. A US credit default, a civil war, an oil crisis, a China attack - none of this is even on the radar yet.

Whether you bet on individual shares or ETFs is pretty irrelevant in view of the impending storm. Once it blows, you might have other problems than a folded portfolio.

It may all sound a bit dramatic. But you asked. And I tend to be apocalyptic anyway. That's why I only invest based on rules. 😁

•

6

•

5D

@Epi I take a similar view. Cash/bonds/🇨🇳/🇪🇺/gold are alternatives to the USA

•

1

•

5D

@HennRes Cash, gold, EU/EM value. I would be careful with bonds. The old hedge function does not work with high debt and rising inflation.
It might be worth taking a look at commodities $COMO? They perform very well when inflation rises.

•

1

•

5D

@Epi Good idea!

•

1

•

5D

@HennRes Perhaps another idea: you can get yourself into position in terms of news with raw materials. Then when it starts, you'll be the guru! 😉

•

1

•

5D

@Epi So I think that's a bit extreme! 🫣 Sure, there won't be any highs in the near future, but I don't think civil war, for example, is realistic! No offense meant, but if you invest for the long term, then you have to put up with 1-2 bad years 😉

•

1

•

5D

@BavariaLion I am referring to the renowned historians and US experts from Harward and Yale (e.g. Snyder). They are emigrating to Canada in droves because they don't feel protected if the worst comes to the worst and don't want to see their children involved in a civil war. That scared me a bit too, because they know their way around and have something to lose.

Insiders think that something is structurally and sustainably breaking down in the USA right now. I hope they're wrong.

I myself am now out of the USA with all my rule-based strategies. Let's see how things develop. Maybe everything will turn around again? Then I'll be back in. But until then... 👋

••

5D

@Epi Of course, that sounds very depressing 🙁 Nevertheless, I can't (or perhaps don't want to) believe that it's degenerating like this! Especially because there has always been a very strong lobbying policy in the USA. And it can't be in the interests of the biggest US tech companies for a madman in the White House to destroy everything for decades to come

•

1

•

5D

@BavariaLion Why can't that be in their interests? Trump is building a techno-fascism step by step. The tech boys are sitting at the table and pulling the strings.

••

5D

@Epi Ok, this might be a stupid question (or I lack a bit of knowledge): If Trump is building a "tech fascism", shouldn't the stocks of those same companies thunder upwards?

•

1

•

5D

@BavariaLion They don't have to. It's enough if they lose less than everyone else or thunder upwards when the conversion is finished.

•

1

•

Ver mais uma resposta

Bubu@Bubu_98

5D

In crises, shares change hands to their rightful owners 💪📈

•

6

•

Dividendenopi👴@Dividendenopi

4D

@Bubu_98 I'll keep an eye on everything for now and continue to build up my cash position... if my Looser shares are still heavily in the red, I'll buy more

•

1

•

Bubu@Bubu_98

4D

I will continue to invest every € I can find in the market 💪 I am not a market timer.

••

5D

It shouldn't be that bad overall if I skim through your portfolio. I also have some downward outliers such as $NOVO B. It's not nice and I had expected something different. I like to say: operational hectic does not protect you from mental calm. Stay relaxed, perhaps rethink one or two positions. Hold on to cash and don't rush things. You won't hit rock bottom either way, and in retrospect you'll be able to live with that better than burning even more money. I feel the same way about NOVO. I actually have/had plans to lower my buy-in below 60, but the longer I look at the share and the corresponding market environment, the more I am no longer convinced that this is such a good idea.

•

4

•

Dividendenopi👴@Dividendenopi

5D

@Dividendenopi So my actions are having an effect after all. At least it made someone think or rethink. 👍💪

•

2

•

5D

@Seebi I've been thinking about this for some time now after I placed a tranche at 75 in mid-January in a rather indiscriminate manner to push the buyin into the double-digit range and the desired (sic!) effect did not materialize. My mistake. As this is the only NON-dividend stock in my portfolio, I simply overlooked it in the annual revaluation.... Be that as it may, sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. I'll decide how much and how big my pain 😉 can be over the next few weeks, at the latest when the figures come out. Until then, stop loss at 50% 🥲🥲🤷‍♂️

•

1

•

5D

@Dividendenopi It all sounds very sensible, I'll keep my fingers crossed 🤞 They've pushed the share up here and the worst thing is, they're not learning anything from it. It sinks every day and they advertise it, sometimes I think it's on purpose to plunge people into ruin here. I mean, let the share find the bottom, then maybe add to it. But no, the more it falls, the more the lemmings buy. inexplicable to me.

•

2

•

5D

Perhaps this article will help you with your decision: https://getqu.in/SU64M3/

•

3

•

Jun@Ji_hyun

4D

@HennRes you can write a version for normal people, but really short and compact. Not always these novels. Thank you.

••

4D

@Ji_hyun that's 5 paragraphs, that should be doable, plus there's a mini summary at the very end

•

2

•

GG H.@GGHyperX

5D

How much liquidity do you still have? In principle, it only makes sense to sit it out in the long term. Unless you are no longer convinced by the values.

For me it's also -10% YTD, tough, but that's the way it is and it will get better again, even if it will probably get worse first 💁‍♂️

What I should actually do, but I can't. Delete all financial tools and really let it run 🙈

•

3

•

5D

@GGHyperX Unfortunately, I'm almost 100% invested...
You're right about that. I should try that too

••

Gomerdoc@Gomerdoc

4D

@GGHyperX YTD -10% is a quality investment! When you make a 6-digit book value loss, you get nervous. But if it's the fifth or sixth time in your life, you stay relaxed😁.
It's a question of the investment horizon and the quality of the shares.
Most ETFs perform based on the performance of their top 10 or top 20 stocks, the rest don't contribute as much. If you buy the individual stocks, you usually outperform the index and its ETF.
And especially in bad times like these, quality stocks that have simply been growing for umpteen years and are world market leaders and/or must-haves in their segment are a good sleeping pill 😁.

However, I have to admit that the last time the current disruption of the world order happened in this form was probably after / during the Second World War. What will come of all this crap: really difficult.
I only know one thing for sure: if it all goes down the drain, then even gold will no longer be worth anything, or real estate, because the entire economic order of the planet is based on the system of economic growth and capital markets.

•

1

•

Maverick4831@Maverick4831

4D

@Gomerdoc You're right, of course.
Unfortunately, I'm massively in the red with $AMD $NOVO B $SQ $BC8 $NKE $STLAM... :(

••

5D

DCA all the way, both ETFs and individual stocks. 💪🏼

•

3

•

Maverick4831@Maverick4831

5D

@Maverick4831 hope dca is also worthwhile for my looser shares... $STLAM $SQ $NOVO B $BC8 $NKE

•

1

•

5D

@Max095 Depending on the investment horizon😁 I still take a relaxed view of my dips

•

2

•

Maverick4831@Maverick4831

4D

@Maverick4831 Investment horizon over 20 years ...

••

4D

It's the same for me. That's why I'm chilled. I'm practically at the "beginning" of investing...

•

1

•

tims92@tims92

5D

My two World ETFs are also down, when I think that they were up 10-15% I could puke. But I think the only thing we can do now is wait and see and reinvest a euro or two.

•

2

•

5D

@tims92 I would be careful with reinvesting.

•

1

•

tims92@tims92

5D

@Seebi Why? I don't invest by standing order. I always do it in large sums.

••

4D

@tims92 April will be exciting with Trump's tariffs. Everything could still slide much lower. I would wait and see before investing now

••

tims92@tims92

4D

@Seebi Yes, definitely!

•

1

•

Nobody@Nobody_123

5D

Let me answer from my perspective:

I see the companies I'm invested in as solid business cases (whether I'm interpreting it correctly is another matter).
The current conditions are simply unfavorable and I don't see the companies hitting the wall yet.
Whether it's a falling knife or not, nobody knows either... except maybe OrangeMan.
So I'm just going to keep going with it. I can't time it and I'll see if I'm right in 10 years' time...

😉

•

2

•

Tobias@TaubeSmash

5D

The current situation shows once again that individual share investments and their potential outperformance come at a high price in terms of suffering. If it hurts too much now, however, it could be a good indicator that you should reorganize your portfolio in the next bull market. It could go up again on Monday or there could be another 4 years of bad news and total failures in individual stocks. The important thing is to recognize from this what kind of investor you are and want to be. I feel very comfortable with my ETF portfolio and only wish I had more cash to buy.

•

2

•

Charmin@Charmin

5D

I tend to be bearish in the short term (for the year) as far as tech and the US are concerned - Trump is simply unsettling, which is not always due to the companies themselves (apart from Tesla ... hrrr ... hrrr ...).

2025 may not be a very good year for US/tech. In the medium and long term, I remain bullish, because ultimately no one is leveraging market forces. Not even Trump.

•

1

•

5D

@Charmin I'm with you there 👍 Anyone expecting big gains this year will be sorely disappointed! But I don't think Trump will manage to destroy the entire US economy 😉

••

Charmin@Charmin

5D

@BavariaLion No, it won't succeed, but it has the potential to do a lot of damage. Ultimately, however, the market will successfully fight back. The companies that are worth their salt have long been working on plans to counteract this nonsense.

••

5D

@Charmin It's clear that Trump will do a lot of damage. But as you say, I am firmly convinced that the big companies won't be watching this game for much longer - after all, these companies have billions at stake! And it can't be in their interest for Mr. Toupet to destroy everything for decades to come

••

Daniel@Daniel1212

5D

He won't want that himself. First squeeze everything, then loosen up and fill his pockets. We wouldn't do it any other way 😜

••

Stephan K.@StrahlemannLP

5D

At some point, it's payday for everyone and since Donald Trump is currently planning to pulverize the US stock market, what's coming is nothing unusual. Don't worry, nobody will be talking about it in 5 years at the latest. You just have to ask yourself whether you can and want to put up with it or whether payday has arrived.

If I were you, I'd be happy: shopping time month after month for the assets I'm saving for and I've stopped the ETFs and reallocated them to assets that I think are good.

•

1

•

WWW@dividend_hunter_458

4D

I feel the same way, but I also have a gold position that regulates the whole thing.

•

1

•

Angelo von Finanzen Anders@Finanzen_Anders

4D

@dividend_hunter_458 very good :) my gold position is unfortunately only 1k big 😂

••

WWW@dividend_hunter_458

4D

@Max095 Stay on the sidelines and accumulate cash.
And buy defensive stocks.
E.g. from the commodities sector.

••

ThomasHH@ThomasHH

3D

As the word suggests, it is a market phase. The entire history of the stock market consists of phases, both bull markets and bear markets. I have been following the buy and hold strategy for decades. It doesn't matter whether my portfolio is up 600K or 543K. They are just book values. In the long term, it will automatically continue to rise. What is important in this stock market phase is calmness and not hectic actionism....and above all ignoring any safe tips from crash experts👍

•

1

•

Mostrar resposta

Thomas@Thomas_1963

1D

I'm still up 0.69% in total since the beginning of the year and am betting on ETFs. I recently acquired one individual share. And it is up over 12%.
My mistake was the excessive weighting of $JEPQ. If it improves again, I will reduce it to a maximum of 10% of the portfolio value.
However, the monthly savings plans will continue.

•

1

•

1D

I am currently using this phase to add my favorite stocks to my portfolio or to build them up further. To do this, I got rid of some stocks from the portfolio last Nov/Dec ;)

•

1

•

Ver todas as 2 restantes respostas

Chris@Multibagger

5D

Things don't really go down until Tuesday. Then comes the hammer with the watering can. I'm guessing 20-25% on everything DT can think of. And hey, falling prices are good for the transaction tax, you don't have to pay capital gains tax etc. on losses. I will probably at least close out my derivatives positions on Monday, except for the puts. The only good thing is that savings plans are not always executed as cheaply as at the beginning of April.

••