First purchase 3GTAA

Bene · 2025-12-01T20:43:25.354689Z

I will also be taking a small position. Just to try it out, it's my first Wikifolio certificate. But I find Epi's strategy very exciting and would gradually expand it further.

HyperX@AxoWallStreet

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I may also be at the start soon 🫡

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Epi@Epi

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@AxoWallStreet Welcome on board - when the time comes. 👍

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Garfield@Bonus

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Entry at @Epi very likely soon. 2nd Wikifolio certificate according to Umbrella.

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Epi@Epi

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@Bonus Umbrella is running! My secret benchmark. 🤫

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Simon_n@Simon_n

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@Bonus I don't quite understand why everyone is so obsessed with Umbrella. These are simply ten shares, the main driver of the return was Rheinmetall. The strategy "stocks of companies with what I expect to be great innovation potential" doesn't sound very sophisticated or quantitatively tested either. It has hardly outperformed recently either. Am I missing something magical?

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Garfield@Bonus

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@Simon_n it's true that the performance has slowed down a bit recently, but Time in Umbrella beats timing Umbrella. 😃

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Simon_n@Simon_n

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@Bonus Yes, maybe, but what is the economic basis for the strategy? "Innovation potential expected by me" can mean anything. If a fund of just 10 shares (temporarily) outperforms, that looks more like a normal risk premium to me. Especially with Tesla, Rheinmetall & Co, that doesn't look like value based on key figures to me.
What's the difference to "simply copying the portfolio of a random asset manager" ETF?
Maybe also @Epi because you said you see Umbrella as a benchmark?

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Epi@Epi

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@Simon_n Umbrella's strategy is vague and not very meaningful, that's true. But this is also due to Wikifolio's regulations, which do not want any concrete statements in the descriptions (I have done this myself) - probably because they are enforceable. It should deliberately remain subjective and vague. 3xGTAA also sounds very vague, although it is a strictly quantitative system.

Otherwise, Dobetsberger seems to have an extremely good knack for exploiting trends. Sure, he may have been right a few times by chance, but perhaps he has an algorithm running that is simply superior. At least his success speaks for itself. 🤷

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Simon_n@Simon_n

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@Epi That's a pity, of course, it prevents insight.
But even if you take a look at Umbrella > Analysis > Profits & Losses, you can see that almost 60% of the profits only come from $RHM.
Perhaps a good recognition of trends, perhaps just a risk premium / good pick.
After all, Bayer, with 15% the third largest position, is not exactly a trend rocket and has not been for years, nor is MercadoLibre.
In any case, there are at least ten trades in the Trades tab every day, so perhaps he also has a sophisticated algorithm 😵‍💫Aufgrund but I wouldn't read too much into the very high proportion of Rheinmetall's profits

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Epi@Epi

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Thank you for your confidence in the strategy and in me!
I wish us every success. I'm quite heavily invested myself.

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Farqual@Farqual

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@Epi where exactly do you trade this, at Consor a share also costs ~€10 on top

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Epi@Epi

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@Farqual Smartbrokerplus.

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Oleg@ScorpionfromBW

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Where do you buy that? I'd also like to stock up on a few thousand euros

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Johnny B.@JBatelli

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@ScorpionfromBW search for ISIN DE000LS9U6W1 or WKN LS9U6W with your trusted broker.

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Bene@bene87

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@JBatelli Exactly, in my case I traded with ING.

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CrashBurner@Psychedelic_Sunflower

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@ScorpionfromBW justTrade offers this from 500€ order volume without trading costs. Only the usual spread.

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Oleg@ScorpionfromBW

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@JBatelli The brokers I trust do not offer this

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Oleg@ScorpionfromBW

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@Psychedelic_Sunflower Thank you. Found where you can buy. Just have to find a new broker.

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CrashBurner@Psychedelic_Sunflower

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@ScorpionfromBW Yes. I did that too. But it doesn't cost anything and the effort is manageable

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Michael@Happysurfer

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Unfortunately, I find the purchase costs at comdirect far too high and unfortunately it is not possible to save in a savings plan there either. 12 euros for the purchase is simply too expensive for the amount I want to invest.
Are there any alternatives? Preferably with a savings plan?

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CrashBurner@Psychedelic_Sunflower

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@Happysurfer JustTrade. From 500€ without order fees. But not suitable for savings plans.

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Michael@Happysurfer

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@Psychedelic_Sunflower ah thanks. Without order fees would be enough for me. And putting in 500 euros every now and then is in the range where I say it fits. I even wanted to register there once. But somehow there was always an error. I'll have to write to support after all

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EN-SX@en-sx

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I'm already in ... invested a little higher.

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First purchase 3*GTAA