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Novo Nordisk: a brief commentary

Two years ago, Novo Nordisk $NOVO B (-2,16%) was regarded as the best European company, as evidenced by the fact that it was the most valuable European company by market capitalization. Added to this was the seemingly endless fantasy for the weight loss product GLP-1.


After two years, the company has now reached a new low: the announcement that its own "weight loss pill" failed to meet expectations in a study and also performed worse than the product of its biggest competitor Eli Lilly $LLY (-1,63%) . This can happen; after all, the success of such a new drug is by no means guaranteed.


However, the company's management does not present a good picture at all. First, the CEO is fired to make a fresh start clear - including downward adjustments to the forecast, of course. Not an unusual move to come clean and deliberately keep expectations low. But this was followed by further forecast cuts and earnings misses. Earnings are now expected to shrink in the coming financial year.


As a shareholder, you get the feeling that you are only being told half the truth. The salami-slicing tactic is being used. This is rarely a good sign, because there is a lack of clear transparency and a strategy for getting out of this situation.


This is why I sold 2/3 of my Novo Nordisk position at a price of around €45 before yesterday's sell-off. I am keeping the remaining position as a "watcher" position. The loss of around 25% hurts, but without confidence and a clear plan from the top management, I see little perspective here.


How are you dealing with your Novo Nordisk position? What recovery prospects do you see? Let's have a discussion.


Stay tuned

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I hodl my 250 pieces to the bitter end. But I won't be buying any more. Currently 38 percent down which means over 5k.
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immagine del profilo
@Tobi60 and what makes you feel positive at the moment? Simply the fact that it was well managed?
@Tobi60 I will continue to hold my position. Even if it takes years :)
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@RealMichaelScott and then people wonder why they are burning more and more money 😂
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@RealMichaelScott Well, they are still the market leader in diabetes. And the number of diabetics is increasing.
There's no way of knowing, but I can't imagine that the most valuable company in Europe in 2024 will no longer be relevant three years later
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@Tobi60 Yes and no. Several patents for their diabetes drugs are about to expire and this will push down the price. At the same time, the political agenda in the USA is "USA first" and Eli Lilly has a clear advantage in the US market. They are also losing the race for weight loss products.

All in all, over the next few years I see a lot of pressure on margins, falling profits in the US market and a lot of costs for the development of new drugs. All of this in itself would be manageable if the management could credibly communicate what the plan is and also create transparency for shareholders.
Novo N. is part of my 16-share dividend pie on T212 and it will stay that way. My investment horizon is still at least 15 years and I'm not driving myself crazy. I'm running a small savings plan every week and then I'll have made up the 35% loss at some point.
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I don't have any, but at below €25 I would trade for a rebound with a long derivative position.
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The management problems do not seem to have been solved either. Things got a bit heated between the shareholders and the foundation. And if I remember correctly, the new man is also an old man from the second tier.
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@userc7b02065b8a7407b They had been looking for a successor for months. I had the feeling that because of the power struggles on the Supervisory Board, they didn't want to reach an agreement and in the end someone from their own ranks was chosen. Until everyone on the Supervisory Board pulls together and works towards the same goal, the share is a SELL.
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I said goodbye to the Bumsbude months ago. I made one recovery attempt, but when that was sold off, the chapter came to an end for me. Sitting out losses and writing them off at some point is not !!! my investment strategy.
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@Crash-Propheteus I have no problem with sitting out losses if the management's perspective and plan are clear. Unfortunately, in my opinion, too much is being done on the basis of hope.
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@RealMichaelScott Then you should not be invested! Neither the medium-term perspective nor the current management's plan are clear here.....
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@Crash-Propheteus I am saying it is a watcher position. I am not saying that Novo will remain uninvestable for years.
I had sold my position at 52 with an entry price of 67. It was quite manageable with 30 shares. I see it like RealMichaelScott. I'm standing on the sidelines and watching. I will probably not build up a new position. With Abbvie and Bristol I am sufficiently invested in the pharmaceutical sector. In my opinion, the problem with Novo is that it is positioned differently from the other pharmaceutical companies. Novo is just a one-product store. First diabetes medication and then the slimming injection to go with it. Maybe that was just a chance product. Other pharmaceutical companies also have their problems with patent expiries etc., but are generally much more broadly based. Novo wants to do the same now. However, it will take time to achieve success with new products. In addition, healthcare systems in all countries are under pressure due to costs. I don't really know whether to enter this market (?).
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@userc7b02065b8a7407b If they widen, it will take time, as you said. But above all, it will also cost a lot of money. There may well be some very, very thin years in the future.
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Cheer up, I also lost money with it, twice. The company will come back. But it will take much longer than I thought. The name of the game is not to lose, but to win more than you lose!
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@Aminmeskini Yes, it's not about the money I've lost. I just wanted to share my thoughts on why I don't really see Novo going any further. The management's strategy is unclear and I lack transparency.

It's a good lesson in how supposedly cheap shares can fall much further.
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Yes, I think that's the right decision in the long term 🙏🏻
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First of all: I am now down almost 55% with my position. (Formerly the largest position in the portfolio) Investment thesis: increasing numbers of diabetics in the world and a highly profitable diabetes business with more effective products than Eli Lilly for the treatment of type 1 diabetes. As a type 1 diabetic, I have tested the products of both companies (insulin treatment) and Novo has the significantly more effective and better tolerated products. The excellent basic business paired with the growth story in weight loss medication made me invest in Novo as an everyday share. I am now very disappointed with the management's approach and am also considering what to do with the share. I am considering withdrawing completely from individual pharmaceutical stocks. (Other individual stocks Merck, J&J + Bayer + a sector etf) I could offset the losses by writing off another winner. This would put me back at 0.0 and give me the chance to make a fresh start with around 10% of my portfolio. What is currently still holding me back: The tax events with two brokers would be big and I would fill the loss pot where the much smaller part of the portfolio is. I will decide in the next few days whether to make the write-offs or hold Novo until doom. However, I no longer feel comfortable with the remaining pharmaceutical stocks either, as the sector is very difficult to assess for individual stocks. Learning: Never invest in individual stocks that you can't assess.
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Thank you for your detailed explanation. That's a good lesson, not specifically related to Novo, but in general: don't invest in stocks you don't understand. The pharmaceutical business itself is very complex and new drugs are always needed as patents expire.
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I have a good 1000 pieces with an average of 56 euros. Hope dies last - I'll wait. Even if it may be nonsense from an economic or opportunity point of view.
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I will continue to keep $NOVO B on my radar. I find the market reaction to a study in which a relative weight loss compared to the product from $LLY deviates by 2% completely exaggerated.

Has anyone looked into the study in more detail?

Who are the comparison groups? Study period (I have 18 months on my screen)? Which people were there? What does the accompanying therapy of the comparison groups look like, in addition to the administration of "weight loss injections"?

Let's wait and see what else comes with Novo's oral version this year.

A market-leading position there would only be reflected in the quarterly figures with latency.
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