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How I beat the MSCI World by over 25,000% over 13 years

Part 2: How I helped launder the Bitcoin that was stolen from me and lost it all a second time.


You can find the first part of my investment story (incl. background and TL;DR) here: https://getqu.in/JldknL/


Nice to have you back for part 2. Before I resolve the cliffhanger from part 1, let's first take a look at another topic:


Financial development until mid-20s

Of course, there was still a world outside of Bitcoin for me. I was able to increase my salary to a good 36,000 euros gross after 8 years (including training). Simply through growing experience and further training. That gave me room to breathe again. Insurance and savings were now appropriate for my salary. And slowly but surely, with my modest lifestyle, I didn't know what else I could sensibly spend my money on. So I went to my trusted bank advisor and occasionally invested four-figure sums in managed funds with poor returns and nasty initial charges. I also regularly put money into various fixed-term deposit products. My goal, if I had one at all, was to build up equity for a property for my own use. I also took out a private pension insurance policy.


I continued to do this until around 2018. In between, however, a lot happened in my crypto portfolio.


How I lost everything several times

In 2014, my Bitcoin exchange, Mt Gox, unfortunately went bankrupt due to a hack or something similar. I had everything on Mt Gox and never cashed out. My scarce 10 $BTC (-1,42 %) and 1,000 - 2,000 USD were gone.


However, I didn't want to be discouraged by this and shortly afterwards started to build up a new portfolio on BTC-e, another crypto exchange. I also bought altcoins there for the first time. Of course, again without having understood anything. I seriously imagined that any coins worth billions could rise to a unit value like Bitcoin. I had never heard of market capitalization 🤦.


Of course, I hadn't learned anything from Mt. Gox and left all my coins on BTC-e. It came as it had to. The US Justice Department shut down BTC-e in 2017. Reason: BTC-e was involved in the money laundering of Mt Gox coins 😂. You can't make this stuff up. I helped launder my own stolen coins, so to speak 😅 and ended up losing everything twice.


More stupid decisions

Everything? Not quite. BTC-e came back as WEX.nz. Former BTC-e customers had the chance to get some of their former deposits back. So I was able to recover at least some of my coins.


As was to be expected, WEX.nz also disappeared from the scene without a trace a short time later. But in the meantime, I had finally learned my lesson. My coins were already safely stored on my hardware wallet at the time. At the same time, I decided to invest a few thousand euros in Bitcoin and randomly selected altcoins such as $ETH (-1,11 %), $DASH (-0,58 %), $XRP (+0,33 %) and $IOTA (-2,46 %) to invest. Of course, I still didn't understand what I was actually doing. I used Kraken and Binance as crypto exchanges.


This was also the time of ICOs (Initial Coin Offerings). Every fool created their own cryptocurrency and tried to sell it to the people with wild promises. Of course, I was also tempted by the quick money 🤦. I invested around 1,000 euros in the tokens of a crypto AI project (cryptics.tech), which promised to use AI to predict crypto price movements with sufficient accuracy to enable profitable trading. I actually traded for a few months following the AI's recommendations. But this project soon disappeared - along with my 1,000 euros.


As you can see, I'm pretty good at acting first and thinking later. Of course, this doesn't stop in part 3 either. But then it's even more fun, because I've climbed the ladder in the meantime, increased my salary and was able to make stupid decisions with more money. I followed in the footsteps of my bank advisor, so to speak 🚀


You can now find the third part here: https://getqu.in/sfTZ3P/

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I like honest donkeys 👍🏻
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@He-Man and I like Grayskull
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But it is precisely this "act first, think later" characteristic that often leads to success.
Be it through luck or simply a willingness to take risks that is rewarded in the end.
What is much more important afterwards is that you learn from your mistakes.
In your case, better late than never 😀
I know so many people who think everything is dead and simply don't get anywhere as a result.
Procrastination is usually easier than taking action.
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@Banana_Millionaire Do first, then think, I'm good at that 😁
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@DonkeyInvestor is also evident in your comments.
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@DividendenWaschbaer and yet they are better than yours
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Your story must be in the GQ main page, as advice. Thanks for your honesty. Very brave!
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@PInvestor_El_Joker and there is so much more to come 😬😅😂
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@DonkeyInvestor I’m sure it will exceed our expectations!! 💪🚀💪
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@PInvestor_El_Joker to be honest, it's getting boring. Best parts are 1 and 2 😅
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The btc-e chat was legendary ... those were the days ❤️
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@Cype ah, then we've known each other for a while 😀
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Thanks to you. Great story. But I don't understand why you fell in again after MtGox. I started with BTC in 2016 and transferred directly to a paper wallet back then. That was also recommended back then
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@Bein-Godik Sometimes that's life. You can't see the wood for the trees...🤷
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@Bein-Godik because I'm stupid. That's exactly why. And for the same reason why a lot of people still store their coins on exchanges today
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@DonkeyInvestor owed. However, it's not yet 3k in coins either. From 3 I'll get a bitbox. I promise 🫠
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@SchlaubiSchlumpf I find it justifiable
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@DonkeyInvestor hmm it hasn't aged well. Now I've gone from 2.6k or so to 3.4K and may get a wallet much sooner than I expected. But so be it. The Bitbox02 Bitcoin only has been ordered 🫡
Now all that's missing is something to mint
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@SchlaubiSchlumpf for embossing?
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@DonkeyInvestor I plan to punch the seed phrase onto a sheet after generation.
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@SchlaubiSchlumpf and what do you do with the sheet metal? Longevity is great. But of course nobody should find it
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@DonkeyInvestor 2x seed, 2 times passphrase. Seed with best friend and/or relative. I would keep the passphrase in places I can get to myself. For example, one at work (guarded premises) and one at home. I would like to avoid the latter without a safe. I might get myself a safe deposit box.
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@SchlaubiSchlumpf sounds good. Although I would ultimately prefer it to work
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I find the parallel story to your Bitcoin adventures funny: Riester, building society savings, insurance...
BTC sounds more like an attempt to break out of this enclosure. Did your parents and savings bank advisors know about your adventures?
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@Epi I actually let my parents in on my megalomaniac Bitcoin exit strategy at McDonald's once. I think they thought I was crazy. In 2017, at the ATH at the time, I was supposed to buy crypto for my father 😂.

Of course, the fun fund didn't know about my plans. But I later took them into confidence regarding my ETF savings plans.
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@DonkeyInvestor I don't think your exit strategy is that megalomaniacal. After all, it is a strategy with clear signals. And one that can withstand the vola along the way. I think many BTC hodlers would benefit from such a strategy.
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@Epi speculating on a million with a unit price of USD 100 is a bit megalomaniacal 😅. But yes, at least I had a plan
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@DonkeyInvestor You were definitely way ahead of me there. I remember having a few discussions with a friend around 2015 when BTC was at €600. What is that actually? What is it good for? How can you trade it?
All the stories about hacked exchanges put me off investing myself. I wanted to wait until an ETP or something else regulated was issued. The time came in 2017. I then made a few decent trading profits again and again, but never the really big profit, because the stake should always remain manageable.
As I said, the donkey was smarter than me. 🤷
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Good story and I'm looking forward to part 3. There have been repayments from MtGox in the meantime, haven't there? Did you sign up for the claims? I am curious!
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@sc1 that comes in part 5 or so. But yes, there was
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Thanks for sharing dear donkey...
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The altcoin seasons back then were great. A real gold-rush atmosphere. Bitrex, Poloniex and Cryptopia were my go-to places back then. I bought around 500,000 Dogecoin for around 0.1 BTC in 2017 and then bought a mobile home in 2022 with the proceeds from a sale of the remaining 280,000 Doge 🤣. Fortunately, I lost almost nothing on any exchanges. Except for 0.1 BTC on Cryptopia.
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@Gernhard_Reinholzen Yes, that was wild 😀. I'm almost glad I wasn't the only one who lost something. But it was pretty easy to lose coins back then too 😅
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Oh no, it's over again... when is part 3 coming 🤓???
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@Klaasi must have a look. Possibly next week
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nice journey I have also recovered many tokens ;)
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How is it possible that you can remember so many past events in such detail? Please tell me your secret.
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@Iwanowitsch You don't forget something like that😂
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@Iwanowitsch I asked an AI to come up with the wildest possible investment story. This is what came out
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@DonkeyInvestor It's actually because the donkey is a woman
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@DividendenWaschbaer Are we becoming sexist here too?
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@DonkeyInvestor I will do anything for you 😘
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@DividendenWaschbaer Good, then I'll finally get my steak
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