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Buy and hold? VS Dividend stocks

$BATS (+1,63 %)

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As you have already noticed, I have been investing successfully for longer (less 😁) than many here.

Today BAT has managed to reach my EK.


Period: 2016 - 2026

Strategy: Buy & hold (buy and leave) with a focus on cash flow


The thought experiment: 10 years ago British American Tobacco (BAT)


The entry (the euphoria)

Imagine the year is 2015/2016. Low interest rates.

Everyone is looking for yield.

BAT is considered a "safe haven". People are always smoking, right?

BAT is also planning to take over Reynolds American in the USA. The share is trading at an all-time high (often over 50-60 euros at the time). You buy.

The crash (the reality)

Shortly after buying in, the long, painful descent begins.

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Regulation The US FDA threatens to ban menthols.

ESG trend: More and more funds are throwing tobacco out of their portfolios for ethical reasons.

Mountain of debt: The takeover in the USA has weighed on the balance sheet.

The share price almost halves over the years. From 50 euros to 40, then 30, at times even below 25 euros.

The consolation (the dividend)

Here comes the decisive point for holding this share: The cash flow.


BAT has mostly kept the dividend stable or even increased it slightly during this period. While the share price was red, money was reliably flowing into the account every quarter.

Dividend yield: As the share price fell, the relative yield for new buyers rose to 8% to 9% in some cases.


Tax advantage (for German investors): The UK does not levy withholding tax on dividends. This makes the share very low-maintenance and attractive for net income compared to US or French stocks.

The bottom line after 10 years

If you had bought at the peak 10 years ago, you would still be in the red. However, thanks to the reinvested dividends (compound interest), you would probably be in the black (total return).

The lesson: BAT is not a share to get rich (growth), but a share to stay rich (income). It is a "cash cow" that is slowly dying, but still produces a lot of milk.

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BAT is my best horse in the stable. With my equity of €29, almost 10% dividend yield per year. 😎
@Smudeo Hold on, stay cool and puff on a fat cigar! 😶‍🌫️
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@Dividenden-Penner Fuck with me EK of 30,14€
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You could probably say a value value. 😅
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Never thought it would become the most profitable stock in my portfolio. 120% plus including dividends
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I'm also slowly dying and giving milk. 😘
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I don't believe that BAT (or the tobacco industry) is slowly dying. In the first world, it is no longer growing and the sector is diversifying. But there are also markets where tobacco consumption is still growing strongly.

I bought BAT for less than €30, so I thought it was undervalued. Today I would no longer buy more. In the meantime, there are other stocks that have just been punished.
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Another 7.46% and I have my equity without dividends 100% out 🥳
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@SAUgut777 does that mean you're getting out? Did you get in at the 2016 high?
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@Smudeo no, I think the post reads wrong 😇

I entered in 2024 and my equity is €27.50...so that should mean that I'm still missing this 7.46% to reach 100%...

If I include the dividends, I'm currently at ~112%
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@SAUgut777 now thanks, your EK × 2 is right back out again. Thank you
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Equity at €29.35 for me. With dividends, I am 93% up
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BATS is one of the oldest stocks in my portfolio. I was heavily in the red for a while. I always reinvested dividends and bought more myself. People have been saying for several decades that tobacco is dying, etc., just like oil. Companies that are said to be dead live longer. While headlines chase trends, I invest where the market looks the other way.
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@PoorDad I'm already thinking about taking the money out for 11 years of 0% performance.
On the other hand, where to put it?
Now we've also been empty for 11 years
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@Smudeo $UPS is posting healthier figures again and offers an identical dividend yield to the share price. In addition, UPS's dividend has grown very solidly over the years. The management also confirms with "Dividends are Rocksolid". So you could secure a high YoC, as I have done.
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Hm, difficult to give a tip here.

I myself have the stock in my portfolio and am very happy with it, as it has low equity and a good dividend. I will hold it, but at the current price I would only buy a little more, if at all.

When you come from a high EK, you are of course always tempted to say: 'finally, now I've got the EK back in, now I'm selling'. In my view, however, the business case is stable, and your original arguments (people always smoke) are still valid today. Perhaps it's better to hold on after all.

I will hold them myself, even if I could just sell them for a good profit.

To reassure you: I have Bayer in my portfolio. The share has risen fantastically for all those who have recently bought in. But I'm still down 40%. Sometimes things just don't go well. I will simply continue to hold on and in maybe 2 or 3 years I will be back at my entry level and then I hope that it will continue to go up.
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@NichtRelevant hehe don't want to know where I
$BAS
$MBG
etc. have bought.
Even all the hype stocks now will no longer be there in years like 2025/2026
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@Smudeo Maybe just listen to old Kostolany. Leave it alone and don't allow yourself to be constantly influenced by the latest news.

If you take a look at it: Just six months ago, the press had completely written off the car manufacturers in Europe. In the meantime, it has become clear that the Chinese and Teslas are not quite as far ahead as has been repeatedly portrayed.

We'll let ourselves be surprised 🙂
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@NichtRelevant I can tell you insiders about the alternative manufacturers. Not good
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@Smudeo Well, if you work in development, you naturally have even more insight. I knew someone who worked as an engineer in a crash laboratory at the end of the 90s. At the time, some high-priced manufacturers from Italy came off disastrously in the tests, even though they were expensive cars that represented the latest technical developments from the respective manufacturers at the time.
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