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Hello dear community,


Without further ado I decided to collect a few reasons why I think regenerative hydrogen is too overproportional on the stock market.


In the future I will write more articles behind technical aspects and processes, because it should be better for an investment to understand the business model, if the interest would be there of course ...


5 selected reasons why the potential of "green" hydrogen is overestimated on the stock market.


1. occurrence:

Hydrogen does not occur on earth in pure form. I hope critics will forgive the assumed 0.03% in the atmosphere. It is always bound. Currently, hydrogen is produced primarily from the process of "steam reforming". A relatively simple and portable process developed in the early 1920's and nearly perfected since then. The efficiency here is about 60-70%. Advantage and disadvantage at the same time: The price of hydrogen is directly linked to the price of natural gas.


2. political will:

"Germany has the energy for the turnaround!": is the advertising slogan of a good dividend payer. Realistically, this is not the case! Why? Quite simply: the price of electricity. According to official data, the industrial electricity price in Germany is about 40ct gross. That is far too much to make "sustainable" technologies attractive in the future, because it is well known that these are extremely energy-intensive. Just think of the electrolysis of water to hydrogen.

Other European countries are much more favorable in this respect. Just think of Norway, which is why they will be lucky enough to become a net-zero state within Europe. Of course, one can also remain naive and think that the future import from Norway will not be carried off with maximum profits.


https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/252029/umfrage/industriestrompreise-inkl-stromsteuer-in-deutschland/#:~:text=Industrie%20%2D%20Strompreis%20(inkl.,Stromsteuer)%20in%20Deutschland%20bis%202023&text=Der%20Industriestrompreis%20inklusive%20der%20Stromsteuer,40%2C11%20Cent%20pro%20Kilowattstunde.


3.price:

Ultimately, the end user will always consume according to the lowest price. This applies equally to commercial and private customers.

The following price ranges result per kg:

"Green" hydrogen: 4-6€/kg

"Grey" hydrogen: 1-3€/kg

These are net prices. So don't be surprised at the next H2 filling station when prices between 9€ and 12,50€ are called.


4. industry battle of the future:

Accordingly, the hype around hydrogen arises precisely because of the newcomers around Nel $NEL (-2,53 %) , Plug $PLUG (-1,55 %) , Ballard $BLDP (-5,31 %) and Co.

But it is astonishing how it is assumed that the big players are inactive. In the field of industrial gases, the dominant players are Linde $LIN , Air Liquide $AI (+0,92 %) , Air Products $APD (-1,17 %) and many more.

But here, too, major new players are entering the field. Total $TTE (-0,09 %) , Shell $SHEL (+0,13 %) BP $BP. (+0,18 %) and other oil companies also have the knowledge. Why? Hydrogen already plays an enormously important role in the refinery process. Naturally, they want to become independent of the gas giants and also move into new segments. So what do such small fish want in this shark tank? They will not be able to assert themselves. Their activities will be watched, of course, but at the right moment a giant will dare to make a takeover bid.


5. every investor overestimates himself here, because FOMO "kicks in." Major stock magazines have been advertising the industry for years, but reality always catches up with the dreamers. Many underestimate the amount of material, planning, cost and price pressure in the industry, because after all, it serves a vision that is politically promoted and serves to save humanity.


To the investors: Are you that naive? Hydrogen has its irreplaceable justification and will continue to gain in importance in the future, but not the importance that corresponds to the stock market values.

Here Nel is valued at about €2.5 billion, although they are burning money. Plug already has a valuation of about €8 billion, but is still unprofitable. Eventually, someone will pay for it. But one thing is for sure: big investors are pulling out the money and taking profits or minimizing losses. You don't have these opportunities for inside information!


Do you want a sequel?

What is your personal interest in hydrogen? Would you also like to know more about the technologies of the individual applicants?

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Please continue so, have only recently heard a contribution, where it is about how the EU or Spain, Portugal and France would like to invest in hydrogen production. Not only in companies that should produce hydrogen in the countries mentioned, but also in pipelines that should supply the EU. That it was already successfully hydrogen trucks were produced in the 80's, but the patents were bought up (oil industry) I personally see fired by climate change very positive about this issue. I personally prefer it to the "We all have to drive electric cars" policy.
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@BoersePG The background here are really fat subsidies from the EU. Now everyone can renovate their infrastructure at zero cost. Of course, the debt-friendly states are therefore very anxious to be "pioneers". I have already addressed this infrastructure in my article about $VH2 and also linked the profiteers until 2040 from my point of view there. $DG $HOT $STR and Co.
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Interesting post! Around typed topics such as hydrogen or even cannabis I always make a bow in terms of stock market technology!
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@TomTurboInvest Thank you. I was aware of that, but it was lost in the writing. I have of course corrected. 😅 Originally wanted to take Bulgaria as an example. But I have decided with regard to Nels then but rather for Norway.
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Fuck hydrogen. All in Tesla entirely according to the recommendation of the Tesla disciples here 🤯🤯🤯
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Yes, yes and yes! Very interesting. Do you see the "small" players like Plug or Nel critically? That they have no future at all? How high do you see the probability that a large player Linde, Air Liquid, etc. takes over such a small player, but the chances are also quite high, or? Thanks for your contribution
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@Joris Thank you very much for the interest! In fact, I do not see the "little ones" critically. Their efforts to grow are enormous. They are also building up their gigantic distribution network. However, I find the value of the companies on the stock market exaggerated. The probability of a takeover are very high. But the timing for that is still too early. Of course, they will wait until the current developments bear fruit, the balance sheet is properly in the basement and then make underground offers to generate the maximum yield. Furthermore, I also think that takeovers are guaranteed, especially in the value chains. For example, in the filling station and transport network, as well as vehicle development at Nel explicitly. $DTG has similar ambitions in the direction of hydrogen.
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@Hannes_SK Yes, that can of course be with Nel. I personally have Plug Power in the depot, I think even rather that Amazon takes over completely. Find the fuel cells in forklifts more interesting than in cars. https://logistik-heute.de/news/elektromobilitaet-amazon-sichert-sich-langfristig-wasserstoff-37748.html
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@Joris My condolences ;-)
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@Krush82 my first EK was at 13.30 per share, then realized at just under 17 € profit because it went up too fast for me somehow and have once been right and now my buy in at 14.33 € per share and I now also hold for now and hope sometime that they crack again the 20 €. A takeover of Amazon sometime would be top 😂 but can also lose everything. Do you know that with such speculative shares. But thank you for your sympathy :)
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I support constructive criticism & love technical discussions! ♥️ @ccf
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The only hydrogen stock that is seriously on my watch list is First Hydrogen. They are developing small hydrogen-powered vans. In addition, they build and design the corresponding refueling station system, including maintenance, etc.. A full-service offering. They are already very far along with the cars, prototypes are already in use. With MAN and Ballard Power, they have very big players in the team working on the version. Europe, and the UK in particular, are already very interested and even beckon with government subsidies. The market for small vans is huge. Electric batteries are not practical for the delivery and transport segment because of the charging times. The company is extremely well positioned in this market and is already quite far along with its vision. But it will be at least another 2-5 years before it is really ready for series production. I don't see hydrogen as a mass-market solution for private transport either, but I can really imagine it for this specific area. How do you see it? Am I too optimistic?
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@VinTech The concept behind it seems to make perfect sense. However, I have not dealt with the company in detail and cannot make a qualified statement. Nevertheless, I agree with you that hydrogen in private transport is nonsensical. To rely on pure e-cars is also wrong in this respect. In my next article, I will also discuss the diversification of future energy sources as a counter-argument, but hydrogen will probably be the most sustainable and probably most mass-market solution for freight transport. But what I mean with the contributions is the fact that the relations between the stock market and reality completely miss each other.
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In individual transport, I think hydrogen is nonsense for physical reasons. In general energy production, I have not yet dealt enough with efficiencies, if I'm honest. On the stock market, I have taken some profits with hyped things like plug power with pleasure, but do not think they are good sustainable investments. If the state would act logically, one would distribute subsidies accordingly on the basis of physical principles. But since the lobby has a lot to say here, we can forget it. On the subject of energy prices: I think many of the statistics are extremely embellished. In particular, because statistics do not take into account hidden subsidies in the form of tax breaks, etc. (I once made a post about this with somewhat older figures).
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@Staatsmann In fact, I would go into the physics behind it in a second part, which is, after all, one reason for unfounded hype. 😄 And yes, that's my primary point with this post and potential further posts I'm planning, which is why the energy turnaround in Germany cannot succeed and we will end up in permanent dependencies from abroad. And yes that's true: Some companies have special prices when it comes to energy. But this is very different and to find a general consensus, I have assumed the official data. But maybe you could link your contribution to me? I would like to read it later.
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@Hannes_SK

Physics would pretty much tear apart a lot of people who swear by weird energy methods 😅 https://app.getquin.com/activity/qZWJiZnYwB
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@Staatsmann Physics is like mathematics. Correct and unambiguous.
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This market will probably remain very volatile in the future and I am curious how the oil multinationals position themselves. Shell is already doing very well (I am cautiously invested 😉). What do you think of companies like SFC Energy?
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@David85 There are better alternatives among the oil multinationals than Shell. SFC will play a small role in my next post.
@Hannes_SK What alternatives do you see? Shell is also more favorably priced compared to others.
@Hannes_SK I am curious about your contribution to SFC, the company is not yet known by many. This will probably change in the near future, now that it is listed in the SDAX.
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@David85 It will not be explicitly about SFC, but a technology for which the company is very well known. I will no longer analyze individual companies. Unless someone asks me to do so.
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@Teddyper Such a confused comment. You obviously haven't read the post at all, much less understood it.
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@Teddyper What nonsense. First you write crap and then you lie about it.
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