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Bye Bye Gold🥲

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I sold my gold collection—Maple Leaf coins—the week before last. The coins were beautiful, no question about it. But I’ve come to the conclusion that gold in this form isn’t right for me. The effort required for secure storage, the lower long-term performance relative to other assets and strategies, and the limited flexibility (divisibility, transport, and ease of buying and selling) led me to this decision.


Sure, I’m giving up a diversification tool in my portfolio, but I’ve also been asking myself for a long time: why am I investing? Gold is certainly good for preserving wealth and purchasing power and for cushioning fluctuations in the overall portfolio.


But that’s not what I need. I need performance that consistently and significantly outperforms the broad stock market. To achieve that, I must also accept higher volatility in the overall portfolio—volatility that gold could certainly help dampen.

But lower volatility and market-average returns won’t get me where I want to go.


So what instead of gold?

For now, I’ll hold onto the cash until it’s clear what will happen with the $BTC (-0,22 %)

holding period. If it does indeed take effect by 2027 (which, as of now, can be optimistically doubted), all the cash will go into Bitcoin, provided that the grandfather clause for holdings purchased by December 31, 2026, is included in the law. The allocation to BTC would thus be very high, but no further purchases would be made after that. It’s essentially an investment in the tax advantage, in addition to the high price potential that I see anyway.


If the holding period remains in place for now, only a portion of the funds will go into Bitcoin, and the Wikifolios 3xGTAA, US Momentum Leaders, and Global Momentum Leaders from@Epi and @Krush82 will be topped up.


The strategic focus of my short-term liquid assets will then be on multi-asset and stock momentum, as well as a “buy and hold” approach to Bitcoin.


Only time will tell if this leads to success. But with this approach, I at least have a realistic chance of regularly outperforming the broader market and of no longer being dependent on gainful employment well before the standard retirement age, with the option of spending a significant portion of the year outside of Germany.

What I do know for sure, however, is that my goal cannot be achieved with the B&H World ETF. So I’m turning up the volatility even further and betting that it will swing upward more frequently and more sharply than it does downward.

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I don't think that was very smart.
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@TheRealPowell Wow, you're still alive??? How are you doing after being discharged?
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@SunriseRanger No way that's him
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I think that was pretty smart.
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@DonkeyInvestor But @TheRealPowell says something different. Who can you trust more—some internet troll or the former head of the Fed? I'm confused.
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@Psychedelic_Sunflower I’m watching France with growing concern. The next two years could be decisive. If things continue as they have so far, a second euro crisis will be inevitable, and commodities like gold could benefit significantly as a result. On the other hand, more money could be printed to bail out France, which in turn would also help push gold to new heights. Long story short, as long as it’s the right choice for you, it’s fine, but I wouldn’t have done it just to hold onto cash for now.

Best regards
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@TheRealPowell P.S.: U.S. national debt is also rising and will become a problem in the future. As the debt burden increases, confidence in currencies declines. You should take a look at the U.S. dollar vs. gold, preferably over a 10-year period.
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@TheRealPowell The same line of reasoning definitely applies to Bitcoin as well, and to tangible assets in general. After all, the cash isn’t meant to be held indefinitely—just until it’s clear whether the holding period for Bitcoin will end as early as 2027. We should have clarity on that by December at the latest, and then the money will find its way back into the market one way or another.
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@Psychedelic_Sunflower I know. My comment was meant as a reply to that, and I wanted to see who would get more likes.
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@TheRealPowell I've always found France a bit worrisome. But for different reasons. Then it always occurs to me that only French people live in France, and I can't help but laugh 👍
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@Psychedelic_Sunflower In fact, BTC correlates much more strongly with stocks during times of crisis than gold does. Therefore, the desired stability of value has not been historically demonstrated. (This is a theoretical desire that has not been confirmed to date.)
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@strategy_pro_1211 I think it depends on the type of crisis. In sovereign debt and currency devaluation crises, gold and Bitcoin will go through the roof.
If another tech bubble bursts or a warmongering egomaniac goes to war, gold will certainly come out on top.
But stability of value isn’t what I’m primarily looking for. Over the next 10–15 years, my focus is on growth—likely at the cost of increased volatility.
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The real scandal is getting rid of those gorgeous Maple Leafs 🥲 Maybe they come in colors other than gold, too
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@Stocktective Yes, they were really beautiful.
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@Stocktective Also available in silver, platinum, and palladium. The silver Maple Leaf is actually the classic choice.
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Whether it’s wise or not—that’s certainly open to debate. I think you really have to consider what you hope to achieve with gold or whatever alternative you choose instead. @Psychedelic_Sunflower has described his thoughts on this quite well, and they’re certainly understandable. Unlike stocks, gold does not generate returns in the form of corporate profits. It is primarily a store of value that hedges against inflation—in my view, an investment in gold (especially if held physically) is therefore a hedge against catastrophic crises and market crashes. Whether Bitcoin is the right alternative is another matter entirely, since Bitcoin also doesn’t generate corporate profits and is, for the time being, a “dead” asset. Admittedly, however, the likelihood that Bitcoin’s price will rise more sharply than gold’s seems relatively high.
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Estás en contra de 5000 años de historia del oro como dinero, creo q es más probable que te equivoques que que aciertes
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@mrcashman entiendo tu vista, pero la funccion de oro es mantener la estabilidad. Y esto no es mi meta, quiero que el valor crezca mas que solo mantener el poder adquisitivo.
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@Psychedelic_Sunflower si revisas los datos desde el fin de bretton woods, verás que el oro es el segundo activo que mejor rentabilidad ha tenido, ahora bien, los otros 4445 años, es el primero, no digo, que no terminemos nuestra vida en esa realidad, lo que digo es que parece más error no seguir expuesto a esas 4 Oz, en un activo que además no tiene riesgo de contraparte, un saludo.
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So you're mainly counting on the government pension and a little bit of luck?
Are you doing anything else with your assets?
I basically hold exactly the same assets, but in a completely different way 😂😅
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@Wealth-Accelerator Where does it say that I’m counting on the government pension? 😂 No one’s ever accused me of that.
But yeah, everyone probably needs a little bit of luck on the stock market—some people maybe a little more than others.
And as for my net worth—sure, I have a small Bitcoin miner and buy a lottery ticket every week😉 Joking aside, I also have a condo that’s almost paid off.
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@Psychedelic_Sunflower Okay, that puts my mind at ease. If you go ahead and start a savings plan for All-World again right away, I can live with your approach 😉😅
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@Wealth-Accelerator Yeah, starting next year, I'll be putting some money back into it—not just €50 to get the cashback from Trade Republic😂
Basically as a low-volatility addition (relative to the rest of the portfolio)
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@Psychedelic_Sunflower Well then. Good luck. I definitely hope things go really well for you 👍🏼

It can give you everything—and take everything away.
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"The poor long-term performance" of gold is one of the wildest statements I've ever read on this forum😂
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@BoldTake If you quote me, please do so accurately and in full.
“Lower long-term performance relative to other assets and strategies” is something entirely different from “low long-term performance.”
If we now take the correct quote as the basis for our discussion and compare gold’s total return to that of the S&P 500 or the MSCI World Index since the end of Bretton Woods, the statement doesn’t strike me as all that outlandish; it probably wouldn’t even make it into the top 100 “wildest statements” on this forum.
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@Psychedelic_Sunflower If you use the end of the Bretton Woods era as your starting point, you’ll also catch the gold price at its decade-high peak :)
That’s why your comparison results vary greatly depending on the starting point you choose.

I’ll put it in the top 10 ;)
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What "decade-long peak" are you talking about? Back then, gold was trading at around $40 per ounce and then skyrocketed after price controls were lifted. What reasonable comparison period would you choose?
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We could have waited a little longer until the price of gold went up again, right?
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@AxelS Tell me more 🤩🤩🤩
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@AxelS Sure, I just need to know when that is. And since I've already decided to rebalance my portfolio one way or another, the best time is always now (or the week before last, when I sold).
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@Psychedelic_Sunflower Yeah, I thought about that while I was writing, too. I have a gold position myself that's shrunk quite a bit, so I'm waiting for a trend reversal. I don't really know what to do with the little bit of gold I have in my portfolio, either.
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@AxelS If you still believe in the investment case for gold, stick with it or even buy more. If not, I would consider where your money would be better invested to meet your own needs.
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I generally don't invest in gold or similar assets because they're unproductive. In the long run, the economy performs better.

Buffett once did the math: If you had invested in gold in the 1940s instead of the S&P 500 Index, gold would have (on a like-for-like basis) returned +1% or less, while the S&P 500 returned +100%.

Source: https://youtu.be/LtITDtZPYEw
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@asset_sage_smmad However, a meaningful comparison is only possible starting in 1971, since that was when the price of gold was no longer pegged to the dollar. Nevertheless, the S&P Total Return Index has significantly outperformed gold since then. Gold has increased a hundredfold over that period, while the S&P 500 has increased about three hundredfold.
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If I had invested $100 in gold in 1940, I'd be dead today.
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@asset_sage_smmad My take on $4GLD after holding it for 1.5 years: Realized profit of €12,504.48 (42.15%)—tax-free! By the way, I’m getting back in now through a savings plan and one-time payments.
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@Thomas_1963 Congratulations! I hope Lars doesn't start coming up with his own ideas for prizes like this, too 😆
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@asset_sage_smmad I'm afraid...
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All I'll say is: spread your bets, and you'll never regret it
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@DatMischi_22 If you want to reduce volatility in your portfolio, that saying is definitely true👍
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In my opinion, allocating 70% of the portfolio to BTC and 3x GTAA isn't a smart move
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@Prometheus Thanks for the feedback :) Would you mind elaborating on your opinion a bit?
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