❌ Why investing in companies like Altria is ethically unacceptable

Schrauber1113@GordenShanway

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@Zerax MCD is indeed an evil company haha

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BartS@Weissach

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@Zerax gut gekontert 👍

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@Zerax quickly blocked access to the depot 😂 can no longer be viewed

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Zerax@Zerax

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@GordenShanway Well then...that says a lot.😄

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Erzwo@FYBSTRD

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@Zerax And he also has the "rogue currency" BTC at the start

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Siytta@Siytta

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@GordenShanway Oh man, what a laughing stock @Marco_91

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It's okay if you have your convictions about investments and act accordingly, preferably consistently. I am happy to accept that and respect the respective attitude. What I can't accept is this totalitarian moral obsession and placing one's own convictions above everything else in a missionary way. I am perfectly capable of thinking and acting independently and am open to any discussion, but your thesis is unfortunately not a basis for this

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BeachPlease@BeachPlease

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@Dividendenopi Just like that, always those damn moralizers and do-gooders!

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Pawfolio@Pawfolio

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@BeachPlease What is a do-gooder?

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A person who behaves in a way that is perceived as uncritical, exaggerated, annoying or similar in the sense of political correctness, who advocates political correctness and usually naively believes in the good....🤷‍♂️

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Kill_Baulitz@Johann_van_der_Smut

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@Pawfolio You can't do anything right with people like that

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@Dividendenopi well said!

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You can invest ethically without portraying others as immoral.

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@Savvy_investor_2000
Ethics are always more effective by example than by reproach.

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@Savvy_investor_2000
I see your ethical claim and don't find it unsympathetic. I just believe that ethics lose their effect when they become the standard for others.

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MTownHotline@MTownHotline

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@Savvy_investor_2000
... then something like a power imbalance arises. Attitude then quickly becomes evaluation and orientation becomes judgment. Ethics is then no longer perceived as an invitation, but as an attack and I think that is precisely one of the main causes of the political division that we are currently seeing everywhere.

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Don't talk about ethics if you don't understand it. And by the way, you have etf's in your portfolio that contain tobacco companies. So you yourself are investing in what you are trying to denounce. Preach water and drink wine. That's our favorite thing to see

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You've already written the same text about BAT. Please try the moralizer on Instagram. You'll get more attention there.

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Ronny B.@Ronny03

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Green double standards😂

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GBau@GBau1906

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To name a single company is far too short-sighted. Apart from the general consumption of resources (does tobacco, for example, require more water or land than barley or maize? ), everyone is responsible for their own tobacco consumption. It is simply called personal responsibility. The companies producing weapons systems, etc., which are currently doing very well, should be mentioned. Here, everyone has to ask themselves whether profit can take precedence over conscience, as weapons are not only harmful to oneself. That would perhaps be called morality.

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@GBau1906 Okay, let's turn it around. If the Russian market reopened, would you invest? Or would you have a moral compass?

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GBau@GBau1906

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@Demas In Russia? No. Surely I wouldn't invest with Putin leading the country.

What about Youself?

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Kill_Baulitz@Johann_van_der_Smut

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@GBau1906 I also wouldn’t invest in it. 👍 where do you draw the line with investing? I am very mindful when I invest my money. I agree with your post that everyone is responsible for their own tobacco consumption, but where do we want to world to go? I think that is a very important question . I don’t invest directly for example in tobacco or gas companies because I don’t like them, yes I maybe own some ETFs with some companies in it, but I do keep attention to it

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GBau@GBau1906

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@Demas So do I. At least I try to act this way. It's good being not all alone.

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Basti92@BavarianLion

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I'm not invested in tobacco companies, but I am heavily invested in the arms industry 😂😂 $LMT $RTX 😝

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MarTheRadi@marda304

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@BavarianLion Ethics 2025 says it fits! 👍

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Thoranos@Thoranos

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@marda304 But only as long as the rainbow flag is flying 🤭

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@marda304 Sure, it's about defense... 😉

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GeldGenie@GeldGenie

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But a portfolio without an ESG ETF and $MCD in the portfolio.

The fact that the tobacco industry provides income, generates taxes and has other positive ripple effects is ignored.

The consumer/market has it in their own hands - nobody is forced to smoke and vape 🤷‍♂️

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Pawfolio@Pawfolio

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That probably backfired 😂

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Gernhard@Gernhard_Reinholzen

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HSBC helps with money laundering, terrorist financing and supports drug trafficking. You have an HSBC product in your portfolio. How does that fit together?

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Tobias@Tobs_66

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What do you want to achieve with your post? 😄 After all, everyone has their own money and is free to decide which companies they want to invest in. Posts like this really have no place here to trigger ethical debates about companies.

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Hendan@Hendan

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As long as we embrace the activity of investing and capitalism we must also accept its flaws. I also acknowledge that some sectors may be unethical to invest in but I do because ultimately if we're on this platform our goal is financial independence, not changing the world

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aang@aang

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I saw that you are invested in $BTC. Have a look at the following video:

https://youtu.be/m7_WDzPyoqU?si=iDecL-dpscluuMsC

- Incredible water consumption
- Massive electricity costs
- Health problems for residents living near Bitcoin farms

Anyone who invests in $BTC is supporting a technology or value chain that makes heavy use of natural resources and harms people and animals locally. Capital should not flow to where it causes harm, right?

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risk_taker_2194@risk_taker_2194

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On the stock market, I'm not interested in the concerns you mentioned.
I want returns.

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@risk_taker_2194 that is why you are a greedy person. Dont you have manners?

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Sparfuchs@Der_Sparfuchs

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Don't talk about manners if you don't have any yourself. Ridiculous.

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Ross S.@Latzi

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I sell all my BAT but keep Altria in my portfolio. And because the bisness is no healty I have a few healtcare company. That is. We buy and sell to make a profit. All the world go to make a money.

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Allan@Allan-

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@Cato_Bamboo regarding crash prophets, just wanted to mention that novo will really bleed tomorrow, best to sell first thing in the morning

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D.S.@Cato_Bamboo

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@Allan- Why, did something happen? Perhaps it would be better to liquidate the entire portfolio directly?

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@Allan- In which crystal ball is that written 🤣

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Matthias@ZaphodB

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The basic idea is not even wrong. But..... what am I doing now? I even have drone stocks and two defense ETFs. Don't misunderstand.... sustainability considerations for shares are by no means wrong. But....as the saying goes...: "Petunia" non olet. ok.

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@ZaphodB Petunias smell good, but tend to have an unpleasant odor when waterlogged and with root rot 😉. And as the owner of the great Latinum, I must be a smartass, because the correct saying is: pecunia non olet. Money does not stink. Thank you for your attention 😇

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Matthias@ZaphodB

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@Dividendenopi the same goes for irony...you didn't understand the quotation marks, did you? Never mind...I wish you lots of pecunia..😎

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felipe estupendo@felipeestupendo

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@ZaphodB 😂 I actually generously blanked out the "" 😇🤷‍♂️

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Matthias@ZaphodB

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@Dividendenopi You are forgiven for that...😁

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A farm in Chile!

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Marty0292@Marty0292

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My heart laughs every time the Altria and BAT dividends land in the clearing account 🤑

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@Marty0292 Yeah🍻😁

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