Christian Lindner on Robert Habeck&#x27;s proposal - levies on capital gains too

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@Bowser Unfortunately, that was impossible in the coalition. Try to push something like that through against two socialist parties and as the smallest coalition partner. However, it would be possible in a coalition with the CDU/CSU.

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Bowser@Bowser

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@PikaPika0105 I heard this excuse from Christian Lindner more than once and thought about it often. In the end, I kept coming back to this question: "Why do you enter into a coalition with such socialist parties where you can't enforce any of your values?" I can no longer take the FDP and especially Mr. Lindner as a leader seriously. Supporting all the nonsense for 3 years and then resting on the fact that nothing could be implemented. So why didn't they leave after a year? For me, the FDP is unfortunately exactly where they are now >5. Absolutely untrustworthy, but that's just my opinion.

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@Bowser Which party do you consider to be the best in terms of private pensions and investing in general?

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Bowser@Bowser

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@PikaPika0105 A very difficult question that I am also currently facing. I have lost my political home.
If it's purely about retirement provision, the CDU could possibly offer a possibility. Why? I hope Merz hasn't forgotten his past at Blackrock like Scholz has forgotten cum-ex.
But to be honest, the CDU is also partly to blame for so much of where Germany currently stands. That's why I don't want to vote for this party. Private pension provision is not really an issue for any of the parties at the moment. The main topics of the election campaign will be the economy and migration. But I will take your question to heart again and look through the election manifestos. Because that is also a very crucial point for me.

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Sebastian Fischer@Lifeplayer

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The idea of levying social contributions on investment income is absolutely correct and has long been common practice in France, for example. The fact that the Greens are calling for high basic tax-free allowances is something that CL has forgotten to mention. The fairy tale that only the poor middle class and small savers are affected by this is just that, a fairy tale.

Most people here pay social security contributions on their salaries, while billions in dividends are paid out every year for which no social security contributions are paid. If this additional money were available, social security contributions could be reduced for everyone, in other words for each and every one of us.

In addition - and this is also somehow forgotten - the statement is first and foremost that capital gains should be taxed. It doesn't say that another 15% social security contributions should be added to this; there is no figure at all.

Then there is the issue of retirement provision. If, at the same time, politicians decide on an AV-Depot that is not or hardly taxed, then that would be a fair trade-off and only investment income that serves as a "salary substitute" would be subject to social security contributions.

I see a much bigger problem with the issue of "taxation of corporations", because what about foundations, for example, which do not actually have to pay social security contributions? What about assets managed abroad?

In my opinion, the idea is a good one, but I see great dangers in implementing it correctly. A small wrong lever and nobody pays or small investors pay. Or you levy the tax at source and then risk the popularity of local shares, as in France.

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@devnerd_daddy Exactly, thank you!

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@devnerd_daddy The problem is that the contributions would not fall for everyone. Politicians take the additional revenue and spend it on other things.

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@Madhatter5566 Experience shows otherwise. When the SHI system was supported by the quarterly contribution at the doctor's, the additional contributions fell.

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@devnerd_daddy And then to rise sharply because the contribution scared off the patients and then came all the end stages. So we all say thank you.

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@Madhatter5566 How did you arrive at this statement? According to Statista, this is not comprehensible. The current contribution rates are roughly the same as in 2007, so we are talking about relatively stable deductions.

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Rudolf81@Rudolf81

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@Rudolf81 I would first recommend that you read my comment in its entirety. It is precisely the last point that I am referring to.

Otherwise, no. Income is income, regardless of how it is generated. If I manufacture screws as a company, I pay taxes. If I make a profit by lending money, I also pay taxes. So why should the state make an exception for private individuals? Your personal risk in generating income is your problem. Welcome to capitalism; if your return is too low, you have lent capital to the wrong company.

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ThomasHH@ThomasHH

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Don't panic. Social security contributions on investment income will never come. That would be extremely damaging to the German capital market. It would also affect income from government bonds, which no one would then buy and we would slide into bankruptcy. With polls currently showing 13-14%, it remains just a wet green dream.

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Privatier@c05

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They have been in government long enough and have achieved nothing. Now the FDP is teetering somewhere around 4% and is completely irrelevant. I also think the party is dead.

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@c05 That can really be the last thing you should wish for. The FDP is the only party of investors and savers. In the traffic light, they were unable to push through their core issues against the red-green party, but they were able to protect us from more red-green madness.

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Volka Putt@5julian5

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@PikaPika0105 The FDP is finished.

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Mister_ultra@Mister_ultra

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@5julian5 Can't understand how you can be a Getquin user and at the same time want to get rid of the only economically liberal party in our country.

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Louis@Dellou

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@PikaPika0105 all they are saying is that it has unfortunately become irrelevant due to too few votes

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Volka Putt@5julian5

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@PikaPika0105 I don't think anyone wants to get rid of them. They are too irrelevant for that (to me), I don't care what happens to the FDP. They've driven themselves into the ground

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Ben@deAes

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@c05 the FDP has never become the main decision-making proxy, largely due to its niche clientele of entrepreneurs and higher earners. The majority of people in every country live paycheck to paycheck, which makes the FDP an unlikely option for them.

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Moritz@leveragegrinding

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He had 4 years to implement it, I don't think the SPD and the Greens would have had anything against it.
But his debt brake was more important to him for incomprehensible reasons, now he should be there for his child and hang up the politician's nail.

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Ah an endangered yellow paper tiger 😱

Anyone who has achieved nothing, but absolutely nothing at all with 15%, I naturally trust them at 4%.

Too little, too late. Sorry FDP.

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Julius@Aktienmeer

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@Mister_ultra The FDP did not have 15% in 2021

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Volka Putt@5julian5

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@Mister_ultra to the point

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Sebastian Fischer@Lifeplayer

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FDP is once again missing the point. It's not about savers, but about people who have invested millions in shares.

The proposal is based on the concept of a citizens' insurance scheme. This is intended to ensure that everyone participates fairly in the financing of our health and care system.

For the Greens, this fair financing means that anyone who has invested millions in shares and made high profits from this should share in this income in the same way as the nurse who goes to work every day and keeps our country running.

What's wrong with that?
For me, the concept of tax justice comes very close here.

Currently, it is mainly employees and employers who contribute to the financing of social insurance. They have to pay contributions on their entire income.

However, people with high investment income have not contributed anything so far, as investment income is largely exempt. This is an injustice in the existing system.

We absolutely must change this injustice!

Anyone who earns their living predominantly from investment income, i.e. high income from interest, dividends or other capital gains, should also make a contribution in future.

Of course, there should be high tax-free allowances so that your income such as interest or dividends that fall within these limits remain unaffected.

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Rudolf81@Rudolf81

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@Lifeplayer then the contribution assessment ceiling should be abolished. with a gross salary of € 62,100 you pay the same amount in contributions as with a salary of € 5 million. by what right? for one it is 20% for the other 0.25%. how does that work?

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Wow. If only the FDP had been in government and used its financial intelligence. Rofl.

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@Madhatter5566 simply not possible with red-green.

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@PikaPika0105 Excuses. Then we should not have formed a coalition

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@Madhatter5566 I agree with you that we should not have formed a coalition.

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Julius@Aktienmeer

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Not governing would indeed have been better.

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Le@Vuu

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Let's see how many people are fooled by Christian this time.

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Toni M.@INOT

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Christian and Robert I just say there 🚀
Sara and Alice have more 🥚 than the two of them together

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Bierchen C.@GuenDolf

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But together they have fewer brain cells and less decency than either of them

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Finanzaristokrat@Finanzaristokrat

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@INOT Sara and Alice are quasi model Germans. They talk big in front of the TV about how best to kick the leather, but can't get their beer bellies forward on the pitch. Anyone who falls for these two puts emotion before reason.

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Toni M.@INOT

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@GuenDolf rather fewer brain cells but more balls in your pants 😜

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Toni M.@INOT

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@devnerd_daddy But if that's the case, it's not just the two model Germans

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❤️DIST L.@DISTLOVE

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Joa, put your voting cross somewhere else in February and don't moan.

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Can you use point 4 from birth😎.

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Martin W.@MineraLogik

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After all, this is a wish list and not "we'll introduce it in May 2025". So the FDP also needs to think about how and where it can get the money. "If it sounds too good to be true, then it usually is." Or what was that?

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