BockaufDividenden · 2024-08-23T17:28:30.050560Z

Amundi Leveraged MSCI USA Daily UCITS ETF Hallo, was haltet ihr von diesem gehebeltem ETF? Holen in "kleineren crashes" und wieder verkaufen, wenn der schnell super stark steigt. $CL2 Klares Risiko auch mit wesentlich höhere Volatilität, das sollte bewusst sein. Was haltet ihr davon? Oder habt ihr da noch bessere ETFs als Vorschlag?

@BockaufDividenden

4Mon·

Amundi Leveraged MSCI USA Daily UCITS ETF

Hello,

what do you think of this leveraged ETF? Buy in "minor crashes" and sell again if it rises super fast.

$CL2 (+1.03%)

Clear risk even with much higher volatility, you should be aware of that.

What do you think? Or do you have any better ETFs to suggest?

17 Comments

PowerWordChill@PowerWordChill

4Mon

And how do you know it's only a "small" crash and not a big one? 🤔

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BockaufDividenden@BockaufDividenden

4Mon

@PowerWordChill oh dear, please don't ask such questions :( the answer to this is the holy grail of the stock market

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PowerWordChill@PowerWordChill

4Mon

@BockaufDividenden But that's exactly the problem, you buy the small crash in the hope that it will recover, but if it goes further down you're screwed 😅

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BockaufDividenden@BockaufDividenden

4Mon

@PowerWordChill yes, the idea would be to go in with a maximum of €2-3,000, but no more than that... That's right.

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PowerWordChill@PowerWordChill

4Mon

@BockaufDividenden By the way, there is a 3x and 5x S&P500 if you really want to have fun or you can take open-end factor certificates 🚀

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BockaufDividenden@BockaufDividenden

4Mon

@PowerWordChill phew, unfortunately I can't do anything with factor certificates

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Gernhard@Gernhard_Reinholzen

4Mon

40% Germany 🤔. Is the composition displayed incorrectly here? It seems so.

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All-in-or-nothing@All-in-or-nothing

4Mon

@Gernhard_Reinholzen Keyword synthetic replication. Representation is probably correct.

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Ella Marie Waschbär@DividendenWaschbaer

4Mon

@Gernhard_Reinholzen As @All-in-or-nothing says. It is synthetic replication. So the ETF buys its own stocks to replicate the index.

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Gernhard@Gernhard_Reinholzen

4Mon

Hm, the factsheet says 100% USA. So I'm a little surprised at the high proportion of Germany. It must be the composition of the MSCI USA, which can be found in the fact sheet.

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All-in-or-nothing@All-in-or-nothing

4Mon

@Gernhard_Reinholzen The factsheet (or at least the issuer's website) should show the index composition and the fund positions. In the case of synthetic replication, these usually differ considerably (usually completely) from each other.

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BockaufDividenden@BockaufDividenden

4Mon

@All-in-or-nothing here in the PDF

https://api.fundinfo.com/document/45ac903c95b2a768272ea694327836df_263247/MR_DE_de_FR0010755611_YES_2024-07-31.pdf?apiKey=53baf9a3-cd29-4548-8a18-1bb76473cc9d

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All-in-or-nothing@All-in-or-nothing

4Mon

@BockaufDividenden here the provider page:

https://www.amundietf.de/de/professionell/products/equity/amundi-etf-leveraged-msci-usa-daily-ucits-etf-eur/fr0010755611

In the "Composition" section, you can find the actual index components AND, more importantly, the top 10 ETF positions as well as the complete list of positions as a PDF😉 What is listed there is actually what is currently included.

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Gernhard@Gernhard_Reinholzen

4Mon

@All-in-or-nothing Top, thank you

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