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Petrobras (PETR4) - Said to be dead, but the numbers tell a different story

$PETR4 (+1.06%)

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Ticker: PETR4

Stock exchange: B3 (Brazil)

Sector: Oil & Gas (focus on offshore & pre-salt)

Current share price (last): approx. € 6.50


Petrobras is one of the largest integrated energy companies in the world and the dominant oil company in Brazil. Those who are only guided by headlines quickly overlook what is actually happening operationally.


Business model & strategic position


Petrobras covers large parts of the value chain:


  • Exploration & production
  • Refinery
  • Transportation & Export



The focus is clearly on the Brazilian pre-salt fields - one of the most productive offshore areas in the world.


Advantages:


  • High production volume per well
  • Comparatively low production costs
  • Technological leadership in the deepwater sector



The business remains profitable even at moderate oil prices.


Fundamental key figures (rounded, latest published annual figures)


  • Sales: ~100-110 billion USD
  • EBITDA: ~45-50 billion USD
  • Net profit: ~20-25 billion USD
  • Free cash flow: double-digit billions
  • P/E ratio: often in the 3-5 range
  • Debt: massively reduced since 2016



A company with this level of cash flow strength is currently trading at a valuation that is otherwise more likely to be seen in structural problem cases.


Dividends - the often underestimated factor


A central point is the dividend policy.


Petrobras has regularly paid high dividends in recent years - at times with double-digit yields.


Important here:


  • The dividends are strongly linked to cash flow and the oil price.
  • In strong years, considerable amounts were returned to shareholders.
  • Even with a more moderate payout, the company remains a clear cash flow generator.



Of course, dividends are not guaranteed and are politically influenced. But historically, Petrobras has been highly attractive to income investors.


Political risk - a reality, but priced in


As a state-dominated company, political influence remains a factor:


  • Investment priorities
  • pricing policy
  • Dividend strategy



However, it is precisely this risk that explains the extremely low valuation.


Anyone buying a P/E ratio of 3-5 is also buying the risk discount.


Scenarios up to 2030


It remains crucial:


  • Oil price
  • Production development
  • capital allocation
  • political framework conditions


Conservative scenario:


  • Oil price ~70 USD
  • Stable production
  • Moderate dividends
  • → Valuation level in the range of € 8-12 per share appears fundamentally justifiable.


More optimistic scenario:


  • stable demand
  • disciplined investments
  • pragmatic policy
  • → € 12-18 not unrealistic in the long term until 2030.


This is not a promise, but a range that can be derived from cash flow and valuation multiples.


Classification


Petrobras is:


  • not a growth tech stock
  • not an ESG favorite
  • not a momentum trade


But it is:


  • a highly profitable commodity producer
  • with globally relevant reserves
  • strong cash flows
  • attractive dividend history
  • and a very low valuation



Whether you invest depends on your own risk tolerance.

But to call a company with billions in cash flow, falling debt and globally competitive production costs "dead" across the board does not seem very number-based, to say the least.

Nevertheless, my personal opinion is that no investment advice should encourage anyone to buy or sell!

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Classic EM value play.
Will be seen much more frequently in portfolios in the coming years. 👍
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@Farqual Jahren.
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@Epi why isn't it actually in the 3xGTAA
$3EML?
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@TotallyLost It used to be. But too high a share of China, momentum doesn't work well with China.

And the EU50 is practically EM. 😬
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Since you are targeting me and my exit from Petrobras with your "dead"/"not very number-based" quibble, I would like to explain my thinking regarding my exit to you again, and the fact that it was very much number-based.

First of all, however, I would like to point out once again that the current price increase here is not driven by great figures, but rather by geopolitics, but let's stick to the facts and figures....

Even though Petrobras has reduced its still immense mountain of debt, the bottom line is that there is still a very high residual debt, which has to be refinanced again and again at worse conditions. In addition, the self-imposed maximum debt ceiling of 2025 has been used up in full and a further increase is being discussed internally ☝🏻

Even if you take a closer look at the last few quarters, you can clearly see that although production volumes and reserves have been increased, the bottom line is still less. Production costs may be relatively low, but the profits are largely eaten up by other circumstances.

In addition, lots of new projects were announced, most of which were scrapped or shut down last year because no funds were available.

In terms of dividends, 2022 was an outstanding year and since then the payments have also been steadily declining...

In my opinion, this is further aggravated by the fact that the last quarterly dividend alone could only be guaranteed by USD 8.5 billion in new debt ☝🏻

On the other hand, the debt ceiling I mentioned at the beginning (USD 75 billion) was fully utilized in the 2025-2029 financial plan. So, conversely, the debt ceiling has to be raised again in order to even begin to maintain the construct...

...and that doesn't even mention the state influence, because the state only sees Petrobras as a cash cow for its own national budget.

Be that as it may, these were fundamental changes in my view and ultimately the reason why I left the company.

So everything is not as rosy as you make it out to be...and please don't assume that I'm making sweeping generalizations, but stick to the facts.
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@SAUgut777 I hardly think he chose the headline to refer to you 😂 Unfortunately, you are not as important as you think 😂
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@SAUgut777 We are going round in circles.
You're describing a cyclical, state-owned oil company as if the business model had suddenly become new or structurally derailed.
Petrobras has debt - correct. But historically much less than in the problem years. The current debt range is a control parameter in capital management, not a crisis signal.
Dividends of commodity companies inevitably fluctuate with the oil price. 2022 was an exceptional year. The fact that distributions normalized afterwards is not a fundamental deterioration.
The political influence has never been hidden and has always been part of the valuation.

Your exit may have made absolute sense for your risk profile - but I don't think it's analytically compelling to deduce a structural weakness of the company from this.

It's also good that you have your own opinion and we all respect that, and that's exactly what makes this platform special, that everyone can express their opinion 👍
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@equity_expert_1695 it was also about the last paragraph and not the headline...and related to a discussion about the company in another post.
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@KoenigsRasse As I said, reducing debt is good, suspending projects because there is no more money and at the same time maintaining quarterly dividends through new debt is not and has nothing to do with a control parameter in capital management.

Just as the dividends are not normalizing, but are continuously declining even without taking 2022 into account and, in my opinion, are only being maintained because the Brazilian government wants it that way and not because Petrobras is swimming in money.

This has also been reflected in the share price and, as I said, the share price has only recovered halfway in the last 2 months or so due to the geopolitical situation.

Cycle or not...
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I actually wanted to increase the position ( $PETR4 ) much more, but the price has gone up quite a bit in the last 2 months or so.

If the price falls again, I'll buy more. If it stays at the current level or rises, I'll just hold for the time being.

I find the company really exciting. A great dividend payer. Thanks for the article and the assessment.
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@NichtRelevant that sounds like a plan 👍 that's exactly what I'm doing and if it gives way more strongly again I will continue to increase.
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