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The topic of "home ownership" and "condominium" comes up again and again - is it worth it, is it not worth it? Owner-occupation or renting out?

Here's my little success story from 2020/2021 that still makes me happy today :)


One evening I was scrolling through EBay classifieds again, the TV was on and I was bored.


Then I came across an apartment for sale advertised by a real estate agent. 99,000 for a 2-room apartment in a town about 50 minutes away by car. After doing some quick research, it was clear that the apartment was too expensive compared to the prices in the area and the year of construction (1995).


My interest waned. But since my cousin lived in the town, I wrote him a quick message: "Hey, time for an after-work beer these days? And tell me, what can you realistically ask for in rent per square meter?".


At the same time, I wrote to the estate agent. He got in touch the next morning and said "Tomorrow, Wednesday, you can view the apartment at around 5 pm".


So it was clear: Wednesday after-work beer with the cousin and a quick look at the apartment beforehand. Without much hope. But I thought it was a good idea to gain experience, you always learn something.


I took advantage of the day and placed a "dummy ad" on Ebay classifieds with the key data of the apartment I knew. Calculated rent, square meters, location, etc. Three interested parties responded within four hours. It was clear that the rental could work out quickly.


On the same day, I called two banks and arranged a consultation appointment on Thursday afternoon and one on Friday morning.


Also on the same day, I had a phone call with the local job center. They sent me a list with the maximum rent prices and the maximum number of square meters per person in the Harz 4 benefit. This gave me an idea of the minimum I could get for the apartment - regardless of my asking rent.


During the viewing the following day, the following picture emerged:


- Unmotivated estate agent


- Apartment has been for sale for 9 months


- Owners do not want to deviate from the purchase price, but are also frustrated that they are not getting the apartment sold


- Apartment is (deliberately) empty because it is better to sell.



Condition of the apartment inside:


- An old dark carpet


- There were some damaged tiles (small chips) in the bathroom due to an "out-of-round washing machine".


- The lighting was dim and dull, old "oil lamps" on the ceilings.


I estimated in my head what I would have to put into the apartment to get it back to a good standard. Floor renovation around €5,000, complete bathroom renovation around €15,000, "odds and ends" and lighting around €2,000.


I presented this bill to the estate agent and said: I'll take the apartment for 78,000.


The estate agent told me that I would not be successful, that the price reduction was too high and that the owners would not agree to it.


He handed me the printed exposé of the apartment and we said goodbye.


The next day was the first viewing appointment.


Conditions: Full financing in the amount of €78,000, additional costs to be borne by the buyer, additional collateral (loan against existing apartment), interest rate 2.1% with a 10-year term.


Second bank appointment on Friday morning: full financing incl. ancillary costs (just under €88,000), no further collateral, 1.29% interest for a 10-year term. I would only have to put in €1,552 myself.


After the bank appointment, I called the estate agent. I asked him: "Tell the sellers that I have the financing confirmation and that I'm committed to my offer of €78,000 until Wednesday next week."


I tell you, I was so excited to see if this would work.


The estate agent called me on Monday afternoon. The owners had "gone soft" because they couldn't get rid of the apartment for so long and because in a few weeks (23.12.2020) a new regulation regarding brokerage fees would come into force, according to which they would have to pay half of the brokerage fees.


So I actually had their consent, at least verbally. Now I just hoped that the owners wouldn't back out.


After the owners had agreed to the deal, a notary appointment was actually arranged and the purchase contract was prepared. The date: one day before my daughter's due date.


That was a good argument for me, because: The owner and estate agent seemed happy that the sale was now close to completion. The sellers, because they were frustrated with the low price but slowly realized that they wouldn't be able to get rid of it at a high price. And the estate agent, as his clients were certainly not the easiest to deal with. I think he just wanted THE CASE off the table.


So I authorized the estate agent to handle the purchase on my behalf. My daughter was born healthy on the day of the notary appointment. I was able to be there and drove to the notary a few days later to finalize the purchase - 25 minutes including the drive and waiting time at the notary.


After the notary's purchase price due date notification, the owners had their money a day later, the handover took place and the rights (e.g. rental income) and obligations (e.g. maintenance) were transferred to me.


In the upper part of the story, I gave you my cost estimate for the renovation. It was clear to me that a few new tiles in the bathroom, replacing the shower fittings and replacing all the lights with bright, warm LEDs would be enough for now. Depending on the tenant, I thought we could talk about the carpeting...


So after ordering the materials, I set to work and spent about a day in the apartment doing all the work. Cost: one day's work and around €300 for materials.


I had already told you in the upper part that I had placed a "dummy ad" before the purchase to "get a taste" of the tenant market. At the time, I also had an automated search query running, which alerted me to potential tenants looking for an apartment.


I had already used this method to contact a young man who was urgently looking for an apartment before the notary appointment. His problem as to why he couldn't find an apartment: he was open about two things. 1. he was unemployed and had been for a relatively long time (considering his age). 2. he was mentally ill.


For landlords, these are usually two knock-out criteria.


Why? Mostly out of concern for the condition of the apartment and potential damage. And also out of concern about complaints from neighbors. To make matters worse, mentally ill people enjoy special protection against dismissal. So it's not so easy to get them out of the apartment.


For me, these were initially criteria that made me think: "let's see what kind of person this is". But I didn't want to rule out renting to him from the outset.


The viewing appointment with the potential tenant took place 30 minutes after the handover of the apartment between the old owners and myself, which I had with the owners and the estate agent that day. So I didn't have to make two trips.


The following picture emerged: an approachable, neatly dressed and well-groomed young man. Talkative but still politely distant. The details of his life story will of course remain private. But I can tell you this much: he was far from the supposed and cliché-ridden "psychologically ill Harzer" and was in good health. He received close care and support and lived in the house next door. This ensured that his parents still looked after him regularly.


He moved in 14 days later. The job center pays the rent and, ideally, everyone is happy. At least until today: "yes!"


Now a few dates...


Timeline:


26.10.: Apartment discovered

(30 min.)


27.10.: Broker contacted, dummy ad placed.

(30 min.)


28.10.: Viewed apartment

(1 hour)


29.10.: Bank appointment 1

(1 hour)


30.10.: Bank appointment 2 (1.5 hrs.) Financing confirmation, submission of purchase offer to broker/owner (5 min.)


31.10.: Everything calculated again.

(1 hour)


02.11.: Acceptance of my offer by the owners (0 min.)


10.12.: Notary appointment

(0 min.)


16.12.: Approval of the purchase contract by me

(1.5 hours incl. reading the contract)


13.01.: Handover of the apartment, viewing by potential tenants

(2 hours)


23.01.: Repairs and replacing lamps

(6 hours)


31.01.: Handover to tenant

(45 min.)


Time required therefore 15 hrs. 50 min.


Good: Honesty also includes a bit of "small stuff" such as travel times, writing the rental agreement and various emails with the tenant, bank and estate agent. But roughly speaking, it was less than 24 hours in any case.


Economic data


1,500 € equity (Corona bonus from the employer)


78,000 € purchase price


8,190 € incidental purchase costs


150 € Bank appraiser


Result:


86,138 € Credit


1,552 € Equity


plus € 150 bank appraiser, € 300 lamps and repairs, € 9.90 rental agreement template


Monthly rent:


395 € cold


38 € Non-recoverable ancillary costs


30 € Community maintenance


40 € Maintenance of separate property


92.59 € Interest costs


Remainder therefore € 194.41


Repayment: 1.8 % = € 129.20


Cash flow: € 65.21 -> sufficient to pay the tax, after depreciation and interest costs etc.


I look forward to your questions and feedback :)

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@ccf

Very well done and you actually show what is crucial in such things: Some initiative, some courage and be "a little" asshole in which you press prices. The broker has calculated his stuff before and most real estate sellers know that they ask far too much. Even with the sum paid now, they are probably not exactly unhappy and were not ripped off. 😉 Very important, however, I find the paragraph with the tenant. Sure there are some tenants where clichés are true, but you should look at the tenants beforehand.

All those I know who generate a large part of their income/revenue through rental income prefer to rent to people with WBS or to people who are paid by the job center. They know that the rent will be paid on time and that rent increases are more often accepted without comment.

Those who rent out only one or two units, however, primarily prefer employees in my circle of acquaintances, since the "starting cold rent" can be set higher at the beginning. These people, however, defend themselves much more often against upcoming rent increases, even if they are due to the ancillary costs...
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@Staatsmann Furthermore, the great thing is that the job centers give out "HLU lists" every year (HLU = Hilfe zum Lebensunterhalt). There, for each "Kaff" the maximum rent incl. cold ancillary costs is published annually and you can read your enforceable rent increase quasi :).
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@LUD That's right! And the Jobcenter always pays, you don't have any rent shortfalls and I've never heard of the Jobcenter paying unpunctually. 😅
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@Staatsmann I can confirm so far so, rent is always BEFORE the first of the month there.... 💸
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@LUD cool story ! The best part for me was the birth of your daughter to which I would like to congratulate you much more than the apartment purchase ( which is not to belittle your action of course 😎) I hope you had mild zombie weeks and have arrived with your partner well in the parenting game 😁😁😁 Love greetings and a warm GG WP :) 🚀
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@Propofolio thanks for the congratulations :). Rest fits reasonably 💸🆘💸🚀
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Thanks for the post. I would love to get more involved with real estate as an investment, but so far I have always been put off by the very high prices compared to what parents and grandparents paid. The story makes me want to look into the subject again.@ccf
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Cool! If you want to exchange ideas on the subject in general, get in touch.
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@DonkeyInvestor correct. And "small livestock" such as incidental costs of monetary transactions, postage costs....
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@LUD top, thank you
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Bought my first apartment in 2015. 86.000€ bj95 350€ cold rent. 1.7% interest Now new rent 470€ cold rent. district Chemnitz. Has been worthwhile.
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@MiIliardenmehling hi Felix, since I myself grew up in Chemnitz I am also considering buying there from time to time. However, not to live there but to rent it out. The vacancy in C but always scares me off. How do you see that?
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@DaveSG Vacancy risk can always be reduced if you choose the right apartment. 3 rooms 70sqm and the quality of the apartment so that only people with income can live there. If you have td fear you can insure yourself against loss of rent. Sometimes the building insurances have that in and the owners don't even know it. I also live privately in an apartment and we have the insurance in. For now. By the way, avoid elevators.
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@MiIliardenmehling I just found elevators attractive with the average age in C 😁. But of course there are also costs...
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Mega story, thanks for sharing and the inspiration! @ccf
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❤️ absolutely awesome thing. You can be proud.
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@ccf What non-apportionable service charges do you have? Apart from maintenance and property management, you can apportion almost everything, can't you?
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@DonkeyInvestor correct. And "small livestock" such as incidental costs of monetary transactions, postage costs....
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@ccf Congratulations.. In a few years you know whether that was good 😅 but for now it reads wonderfully
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@GoDividend that remains to be seen and is certainly not entirely poor in risk. At the same time, with supposedly "clever" tenants, you only know afterwards if it was a good fit... we will see...
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Hi Christian, maybe I missed it but I would be interested in the square meters of the apartment and approximate location.

Otherwise, I also bought my first apartment in May 2021. I don't regret it yet. At the beginning of 2022, I was about to graduate for the 2nd time. Unfortunately, it didn't work out in the end. I'm now put off by the interest rate hikes. But in my opinion, it's still worth keeping an eye on the market. Many people now want to sell "quickly" before the interest rate turnaround. I'm curious to see how it all develops, especially the prices. VG, Steffen
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@Staatsmann I think you are meant 🚀...
@Steff_by_Steff 44 m2 and roughly "Lake Constance region"
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@LUD But I can't say anything about the situation 😅

As you say, the timing is actually quite good at the moment to get something before the interest rate hike. Unfortunately, the banks have already factored this into their loans...
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@Staatsmann Yes, my mistake. Sorry. I meant @LUD and thanks for the feedback.

Correct, the interest rate hike is already priced into the loans. It will be interesting to see how real estate prices develop. Of course, it always depends on the location.
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Great contribution!
How high is your monthly installment to service the loan?
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@TradingStudent moin. 260, consisting of approx. 83 interest and 177 repayment of the loan.
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I think it's very well written and presented. From a current perspective, however, financing costs have exploded and are at levels that make investing difficult, as the purchase price has not really fallen yet. As a result, it is currently rarely profitable to find something suitable, especially if you live in an urban area and want to buy there.
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@Financial_Independence unfortunately that's true!
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At 4%, it's even more worthwhile now before a crash, so motivate everyone 😂
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How big is the building in which the apartment is located and how old? Or how many parties? The maintenance costs seem very low to me.
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