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That looks more like a casino. If you want to invest in dividends for the long term, why not just start right away instead of burning your money in crypto?
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@FlexXandy

Burning is so a bit hard, we can talk about it when the next bull run is around. My plan was to build 30-50k in the crypto market. What should I do with a few € in the stock market, that must be worth it I think. With the above sum you can start there already more. As I said it it play money, it's gone the world does not end for me.
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@ParinDodt if for you 30-50k is play money, kudos 👍
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@ParinDodt and you know there's definitely a next bull run? How? Because it was like this before? But that was at times with 0% interest or negative interest... For me personally much too risky.
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@gamlasvensk You think the world economy will never go back to zero interest rates? Cute.
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@FlexXandy

The 12k which I have as a basis are the play money because they are created from play money which others vertrinken or verrauchen. The 30-50k are of course no longer play money. 5 digits are currently also a number, since isr come together quite a bit. I know so far only one side of the market and wanted in this stock / ETF lastigen forum times a different assessment of my investment. That it goes off course so I have not dreamed 😅
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@ParinDodt is also not meant anything bad, only many could not sleep peacefully with it (rightly as I find) You have your strategy, if you can call it as such, perhaps also somewhat unfortunate formulated. It all sounds just very much like making a lot from a little money and then invest more defensively, although this is really extremely speculative what you have in mind, that should be clear to you 😅 Understand the approach just not quite honestly said... just go directly to dividends or dividend growth, before you gamble with crypto your money, because your children then also have nothing from
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@FlexXandy

Am currently here non-stop answering, as one or the other sentence may be unfortunate formulation 😅 Here gehts yes really right off. I was aware that here is held very much of shares & ETFs, so I wanted an opinion from another corner. But it will be so blatant I did not think. In the crypto world I am the safe and serious investor, but what brings me powdered sugar in the butt.

I'm at least just rowing what my 100% crypto strategy is concerned. Currently I think that I probably leave everything in the crypto market for now and see what becomes of it. The next monthly "play money" I put then rather in the stock market in the next few years, so I would be at least times more broadly positioned.
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@ParinDodt Btw: most people start with smaller amounts on the stock market. You would not be the only one. With 12k you might not be overly high for your age, but it will turn into a nice sum if you stick with it.
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@NurEinHobby oh, and you think it's coming? Cute 😋 Low interest rates do not equal zero interest rates, because I already expect low interest rates (approx. 2 to 3%).
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@gamlasvensk It's coming faster than you think. The banks are already dropping like flies.