3D·

If you do it in a casino, it's gambling.

But if you do it with your broker, it's speculation. 😜

Small gamble that $TSLA (-2.08%) does not go above $322.12, with a moderate leverage of 8x ,

lets gooo 🎲

28.04

VON

Vontobel Financial Products GmbH Warrant 2025-open end auf Tesla Rg

Bought x500 at €0.31

€155.00

PaulPK

@PaulPK

6D·

Stock market wisdom: those who short Tesla lose out

$TSLA (-2.08%)

17 Comments

Silas W.@DynasticGrind

Elon Musk is probably shorting himself by now.

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PaulPK@PaulPK

@DynasticGrind Why should he? He has almost doubled his fortune...

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Silas W.@DynasticGrind

@PaulPK Well, with a short he would probably have quadrupled it.

Step 1: Open a short position

Step 2: Spontaneous Hitler salute in front of the camera

Step 3: 🤑

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The W.@thewolfofallstreetz

Low conviction trade - why do you use so little?

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TotallyLost@TotallyLost

@thewolfofallstreetz Lever 8 my dear, I don't need to use any more.
155€ * 8 = 1240€ 😘

(technically, this is not quite correct, because the leverage for KOs is always based on the strike price, but we don't want to get too technical here...)

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PaulPK@PaulPK

@thewolfofallstreetz Why should he lose any more...:D

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TotallyLost@TotallyLost

@PaulPK That is indeed the great advantage of KO certificates. You set what your maximum loss limit should be and the leverage is automatically determined by the distance from the KO price.
You can never lose more than you are prepared to lose and the leverage means you tie up less capital, a great instrument for such short speculations.

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user03@user03

Why should he bet more? With an 8-point lever, that's over €1,000, which is a lot of money for some people 😅

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PaulPK@PaulPK

@TotallyLost I know :) https://getqu.in/EFCzD4/

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Uwe@SchlaubiSchlumpf

It feels like the bank is the main winner with leverage products.
In the case of sometimes arbitrary market movements, where the best investors can always explain afterwards why it went up or down and what the investor expectation was beforehand, I am out.

But I wish you lots of fun and success. If I were to short anything, it would probably be Tesla. But would have had moderate success so far 😅 would have been happy about it if it had been emmitent. Especially if he also sells a call for every put.

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TotallyLost@TotallyLost

@SchlaubiSchlumpf but you're forgetting the most important thing...
No one wants to hear a story about a diversified multi-factor portfolio at the cocktail party...

But with an 8x Tesla short, that's where the panties drop... 🤣

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Uwe@SchlaubiSchlumpf

@TotallyLost I also always sell my $GERD before cocktail parties and buy 10x Tesla puts... it's a good thing I don't go to cocktail parties and my $GERD position is 10.99 euros. I then simply hide the rest with another broker.

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Chris@Multibagger

It could work very well. That would also be my idea. Down to 220 and then long again. However, you can close it out if $TSLA rises above USD 300. Then you will probably also go above 320. The resistance lies at USD 292.

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TotallyLost@TotallyLost

@Multibagger This is a KO certificate. I don't have to close out anything, at 322 the thing is simply dead.
But yes, I also have a target at 230 - 215 😉

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PaulPK@PaulPK

@Multibagger In these news-driven times, technical analysis is actually a waste of time. After such a slump, Tesla should actually go straight towards USD 600 :)

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Chris@Multibagger

@TotallyLost By close out I mean sell. Why risk a total loss. But so far things are going in the right direction for us.

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Chris@Multibagger

@PaulPK You are generally right. But $TSLA has always traded between USD 220 and USD 290 in recent weeks. I have now traded this range for the 4th time in both directions.

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