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Tesla figures: My opinion

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Some of you know me on this platform as a Tesla Bull (3 years now). But it's important to remain objective and not embellish everything this company reveals.

Unlike many other investors in Tesla, I still attach importance to the core car business and the figures in this area were really bad. Also, the forecast that over the next four quarters the numbers will continue to be bad is even scarier to me. I have no understanding of why there can be so little talk about the poor production numbers of the Cyber Truck and Model S & X. However, I do see a reason why their core business, i.e. the production of the Model 3 & Y, is stagnating. This reason would be the high interest rates, because Americans only rush into car loans on a massive scale when interest rates are low and a higher production figure could mean that supply massively exceeds demand, which is likely to rise again in periods of low interest rates. I don't really care about Tesla's profitability as they are investing heavily in innovation in all areas and I am very much in favor of that. Tesla's average production costs continue to fall, so I am anything but worried. It is also important to look not only at Tesla, but also at the numbers of the competition over the same period to see if there are macroeconomic reasons for the performance in the last few quarters, such as the key interest rate mentioned earlier.

Tesla will soon be launching a new, more affordable model that will allow them to reach a different price bracket, namely that of households that would currently like to buy a Tesla but don't have the money to do so. In my opinion, this buying interest is independent of the current interest rate, as some of these households can most likely afford a car for $25,000, but not for $50,000, no matter what the interest rate is. I have never been an investor who has sold my entire position because of short-term prospects. I continue to see the potential for Tesla to double its market value in 3-5 years by pursuing its current goals. By the end of the year, for example, we will see Robotaxis in almost a dozen cities with a population of 50% of the US.

If that goal is narrowly missed, I'm fine with it as long as it wasn't a technical obstacle that kept Tesla from reaching that goal. We'll probably all be waiting for Optimus until we have gray hair, but the robotaxi business is happening now and Tesla is generating revenue. So now it's all about scaling and improving the technology to the point where it can scale faster and faster.


I am still invested in Tesla with around 50% of my portfolio. That's a very high weighting, which I've been aware of since I built it up. My mentality that Tesla has a lot of potential to achieve a large market capitalization with some of its business models in the future, especially since I am still young, has given me the support to maintain this position for years. My love for this brand is great. If I had the money, I would only drive a Tesla for a considerable time. The M4 on your lock screen on my phone is an Ultra Red Model 3 Performance and I'm proud of it. I've already test driven the car and love it. Especially since the Tesla salesman offered it to me even though he knew I wouldn't be able to buy it afterwards, no matter how great I think it is. I've talked a lot with Tesla employees, sat in Tesla vehicles and driven them temporarily. I can say that I want to continue to support this brand and I will be even more excited if this brand actually gets back on a path where exponential growth in an innovative field is the case in the here and now. I see this happening in the near future in the Robotaxi sector.

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But you are aware that if, and that is a big IF, the situation at Tesla calms down and profit growth can be demonstrated again, they will first have to grow into the current valuation?

Don't you think the opportunity costs are far too high?
Especially for a position that makes up 50% of the portfolio...

I don't want to paint the devil on the wall, but 2 more quarters like this and there will be no more profit. How will R&D be paid then?
I wouldn't rule out capital increases.
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@TotallyLost 36 billion cash on hand
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@TotallyLost Capital increases in the cash pile are the craziest thing I've read in a long time
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@davidk3112 Doesn't Musk want to buy X-Ai through Tesla? How much is that supposed to cost again?
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@TotallyLost A fraction of the cash pile at most, but good point. No idea how they want to implement this.
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@robiin I just googled it again myself, the purchase seems to be off the table, it will be a 2 billion investment if the shareholders go along with it.
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@TotallyLost I suspect there will be a vote at the shareholder event in November. With the cash pile - 2 billion - Tesla can easily scale the Robotaxi business in my opinion.
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You say you're objective and don't believe all the honey Musk is buttering up investors, but in the same breath you're saying that 50% of the US population will be covered by Robotiaxis by the end of this year? That is completely unrealistic. Look at the pace of expansion at Waymo (which, by the way, make much less dangerous maneuvers and don't need a chaperone in the car) and then your conclusion is that Tesla will cover 50% of the US population by the end of this year?
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@Nick-investing "If this goal is narrowly missed, it's not a problem for me as long as it wasn't a technical obstacle that kept Tesla from reaching this goal." 50% coverage means Robotaxi presence in about 10-12 of the largest cities in the US. Tesla is already in contact with all the US states in these cities to make sure it works from a regulatory standpoint.
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@robiin And if the target is not just "narrowly" missed? Car company in crisis, hopes for the future dashed and then what? Tesla always sets itself lofty goals that it then fails to achieve (Semi, Roadster, FSD, ...). In addition, hardly any FCF is earned, the CEO is handsomely remunerated and the shareholder experiences no long-term value creation.
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@Nick-investing Oh and the value creation around 2021 that no one ever thought was possible and which is why he earned a much more favorably valued pay package at the time probably doesn't exist. The requirements of the pay packet were airy-fairy and people only ever talk about the targets they didn't achieve. Fundamentally, they would still be in sports cars if Elon Musk never delivered on his promises.
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Tesla will not even reach 1% of the US population by the end of the year. Even now, these are only rides for deserving influencers, with a chaperone who regularly has to save the lives of selectively chosen passengers...
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@TorteInYourFace Los Angeles alone has 3.8 million (> 1%) and Austin has 1 million. Tesla will definitely be present in these cities by October. I'll be happy to remind you in a few weeks if you like it. In the earnings you could hear/read: "No safety critical intervention in 7K Robotaxi miles". So your wording is poorly chosen and I can hear a bias. Don't counter with "But you're biased too". Sure, I like the brand a lot, but my money is still in it and I have to remain neutral, hence my criticism of the execution of the core car business.
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There have already been interventions, because otherwise the cars would have crashed back onto the tracks or the light was bad. It's also great that LA and Austin have so many inhabitants, but so far their whole area is a (naturally) tail-shaped and very manageable area of Austin.
Elon is saying this because the numbers have repeatedly been incredibly shitty, but the scam still seems to be working.
I appreciate the analysis and put my 2 cents on the table. The only thing you missed out there is that the political involvement with Trump actually tarnished the reputation of the brand. Tesla was a symbol for those that believed it as the frontrunner of the ecological transition in the transport sector. This people, usually wealthy as environmentally aware, are now moving to other brands, because having a Tesla "is like having a giant MAGA hat on". Currently, Tesla's stocks are still very expensive, and my interpretation is that the bet is fully on Optimus, I believe, not on EV car sales. Also on robotaxi, there is competition and Tesla is not really the frontrunner there. In a word, the core business looks gloomy because of the increase in competition. Having an affordable Tesla model is not the solution, because the market already offers those models by now. As a final word, I would not be exposed with a 50% to any company, too risk-specific, so obviously my suggestion would be to reduce exposure a bit just to be safe.
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