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OFF TOPIC: A little insight into our finances.

Unfortunately, my health has thwarted my plans, so I have only now been able to write the desired article about our finances.

Instead, it now covers the entire first half of 2024 and not just Q01/24.

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As already mentioned, we deregistered in Germany on 31.12.2023 and moved our main residence to Indonesia. As a consequence of this, we are allowed to stay in Germany for a maximum of 6 months/year (183 days/year) (which, to be honest, we haven't done for several years), as otherwise we would be liable to pay tax in Germany again, which we definitely don't want.


Why did we emigrate?

The most important reason is that we both simply feel very comfortable in Indonesia.

Life is much less stressful, it slows us down, we are closer to my wife's family, we also save a lot on taxes and duties and have a standard of living that we couldn't afford in Germany.


What has changed professionally?

As you may remember, I used to be the VP of Global Service and Operations for a US medical device company. With the relocation of our main residence from Germany to Indonesia, I have given up responsibility for North and South America, so that since 01.01.2024 I have "only" been responsible for EMEA and AP, which suits me very well.


At the moment I am unfortunately still too often within Europe for work, but hopefully this will change in the second half of the year, so that I should then spend 75% of my time in Asia or at home in Indonesia.


What has changed financially?

First of all, since January 2024, my gross salary has been transferred to an Indonesian bank account in euros every month by my employer, which honestly works extremely well and, after a few teething problems, my salary is now credited in real time. You get used to the fluctuations due to the exchange rates and as they are in a small percentage range, they honestly don't bother me either.


Health insurance, pension etc.

In Indonesia, we are "only" covered by state health insurance, which is good if you need a plaster, but is otherwise not recommended. As a result, we have also taken out 100% private health insurance to cover everything.


As I had a severe slipped disc at the beginning of 2024, I realized sooner than expected that this was the right choice, as I received 100% care in line with the best medical standards and the health insurance company reimbursed me within 48 hours of submitting the invoices.


There is no pension insurance in Indonesia, everyone has to provide for themselves or the principle is that the children provide for their parents. This may sound frightening to some, but in reality it works very well as family cohesion is much closer than in other countries and cultures.


Let's now take a look at the income and expenditure for the first half of 2024:


Income

We had the following income in the first half of 2024

Salary: € 141,900.00

Bonus 2023: €99,300.00

Pool villa revenue: €21,745.00

Revenue from Beerbars: €94,350.00

Total: €357,295.00


Income from the Pool Villa was around 30% lower in the first half of the year, as we were unable to rent it out in part due to major renovation work. However, the renovation costs are not included here as they are covered by a reserve account. Furthermore, the personnel and maintenance costs (electricity, water, etc.) of € 450.00 per month have already been deducted from the villa's income.


Personal expenses

This includes expenses such as our health insurance, our personal "pocket money" with which each of us can do what we want, entertainment costs that include joint restaurant and bar visits, movies, concerts, etc., food and travel expenses consisting of various flight and hotel costs.


The whole thing looked like this in the second half of 2024:


Health insurance: €8,880.00

Pocket money for Mr. Barsten: €30,000.00

Pocket money for Ms. Barsten: €24,000.00

Entertainment: €13,800.00

Food: 4.500,00€

Travel expenses: 32.650,00€

Total: 113.800,00€


General expenses

This includes expenses such as taxes in Thailand on the income from the beer bars, taxes in Indonesia on salary and rental income from the pool villa, staff costs and ancillary costs (electricity, water, etc.) for our pool villa in Bali, which we use ourselves.


In detail, these expenses in the first half of 2024 were as follows


Taxes Thailand: €19,913.50

Taxes Indonesia: €49,966.96

Personnel: €2,640.00

Incidental costs pool villa: €1,380.00

Donation mosque: 2.400,00€

Donation animal shelter: 2.400,00€

Support family: 3.600,00€

Total: 77.260,46


Purchases

Another item in our finances are purchases, which were as follows in the first half of the year:


Audi Q7: €85,000.00

2x BMW F750 GS: 22.800,00€

Total: 107.800,00€


Of course, we track our income/expenses in much more detail than shown here, but as this would go beyond the scope of this article, we have simplified everything a little.


Summary

Income: €357,295.00

Personal expenses: -113,660.00 €

General expenditure: -77,260.46

Purchases: -107,800.00€

Remaining amount: € 58,575.00


Our budget for the first half of 2024 therefore amounted to a total of 357.295,00€ which included expenses in the amount of 298.720,46€ were incurred.


Of our budget in the first half of 2024, a total of 58.574,54€ which will go into our reserves and either be invested in shares/ ETFs or used to purchase additional land or properties in the future.


Reserves

Since I only track my small "pocket money deposit" at GQ, here is a brief overview of our various reserves, which are deposited with different banks in Indonesia, Singapore and Dubai, as of June 30, 2024:


Real estate reserve: 150.000,00€

For emergencies involving our real estate and the Beerbars, such as unforeseeable damage, renovations, conversions, etc. The target amount of the real estate reserve is € 200k.


Emergency reserve: 450.000,00€

In case I lose my job or something unforeseeable happens personally. The target amount of the emergency reserve is €450k.


Deposits: 1.029.650,00€

Our goal is to increase the above-mentioned deposits to a total of €2 million by 2030.

Should I no longer feel like working at some point, the deposits, the income from our pool villa & beer bars and our German pension entitlements will hopefully provide us with a pretty good standard of living.


Property investments: 230.000,00€

This is one of my wife's smaller gimmicks. She buys land on the outskirts of large cities or in future development areas, holds it for 3-5 years and then sells it for at least 50% profit. As long as it makes her happy and we don't lose any money, I'm OK with it.


Conclusion

All in all, we are definitely happy with the decision to move our main residence to Indonesia and wouldn't want to change it.

However, we didn't emigrate "blindly" or unprepared. My wife comes from Indonesia and is familiar with the conditions and regulations, and I have had an unrestricted residence and work permit for years. Furthermore, my wife's family lives "next door" and we have also made some very important friends over the last few years, so we really feel at home here. We commute back and forth between our pool villa in Bali, the beer bars in Thailand and our small bungalow on Java and enjoy life and time with the people who are important to us whenever possible.


As we are in a good financial position and earn enough money through our business even without a permanent job and have correspondingly high reserves, we could sit back and relax for several years without an income in an emergency and not have to worry financially or even return to Germany.


As I have almost no family left in Germany with whom I have a connection and most of my friends have always been spread all over the world, I don't feel like I'm missing anything from a social perspective. Personally, I mainly miss the delicious German bread, fresh, crispy rolls and good sausage from the butcher, which you can also get here, but not with the taste you are used to.


What I don't miss at all is the German bureaucracy, politics and the typical German envy that we unfortunately got to know far too often. My wife always said: "In Germany, you shouldn't show that you're doing well" and somehow I have to agree with her.


So that's enough text for now, I hope I haven't bored you too much, for those who like it here's a Sankey diagram and if you have any questions, please just ask in the comments.

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PS: As you can see, I'm still calculating in euros; force of habit, which makes it much easier for me to deal with the different currencies we're dealing with.

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I'm so glad you're doing well! Thanks for sharing and have fun in Asia
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Very nice. Super contribution. Thank you for it.
Very interesting to read and you are poorer than I thought 😂

I'm happy for you that you're doing so well. I also know part of your past, so it's all the better that you're now living the way you like and are happy to boot. 👍🏻
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@DividendenWaschbaer You know there's always room for you in our pool house 😁
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Thanks for the article. Very interesting 👍. Looking forward to further updates 😉
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Mega story and great figures behind it. I think the deceleration is great. And if you've also worked out so many financial opportunities, then everything fits. Mega, keep going 😎
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Mega thing & an inspiration for me. Follow the same path and sooner or later I will succeed. Best regards🧘💯👌
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Nothing but respect and appreciation for you and what you have achieved! Very inspiring 😌
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I go everywhere with Top, except for the small GS 😜
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Great contribution. Many thanks for that.

Funny: I'm currently sitting in a villa near Ubud (Bali) with a view of the pool and the rice field and I find myself imagining my own life here in Indonesia again (as I have been doing for a few days now)... It doesn't seem so impossible.
After a long time, we have now been traveling again for almost 4 weeks via Bali and the Gilis and will soon be heading to Thailand for a few more days. Bali has become more crowded and busier than it was 15 years ago. But what has remained are the beautiful landscapes and, above all, the incredibly positive Balinese people, from whom we Germans can learn a lot in terms of attitude to life, purpose and focus...

Of course, these are just snapshots of a traveler and everyday life here definitely has a lot of challenges to offer, especially if you also have to / want to earn a little money and have no family, local support. But it seems possible.

You made me thinking... (And that's where it usually starts.) 😊 Thx!
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Great contribution, thank you
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Always these low earners 🙄

Great contribution!
Thank you for another insight into your life 👍.

Have fun in Indonesia 😎.

Greetings me
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It's great that the first reason for emigrating was for personal reasons and that it was thought through accordingly. And not primarily because of politics, taxes, ...

I'm glad you're doing well. You know yourself that what you've achieved professionally is amazing. Thanks for the transparency
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Congratulations! Imagine what you would have paid in income tax alone in Germany. I assume your securities account is now in Indonesia? Perhaps you would like to say 2-3 sentences? What is the tax situation with realized gains etc.?
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@Cype German taxes were one of the reasons why we emigrated. We have several securities accounts in Asia and the UAE which are completely tax-free in the respective countries, i.e. no taxes on any profits or sales.
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Is it possible to simply transfer a German custody account to a foreign one or will taxes be incurred again?
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@Penguin_counting_coins If you deregister in Germany, you can neither keep your bank account nor your custody account, as you will no longer have a German tax number; custody account and bank account will be closed; transfer to a foreign custody account is extremely time-consuming or even impossible.
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Interesting in any case. What about the living environment there? Social issues such as crime or social hatred towards wealthy people. Does that exist in your country or is it completely different to Germany
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@topicswithhead I have known Indonesia for more than 10 years now and have lived here a little longer. So far I've never personally felt unsafe or in danger but it's like any other city if you're in the wrong place at the wrong time...

I haven't experienced any hatred or envy here so far, if you do a little social work and create jobs, it's more likely to be recognized than envied.
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Top article!
Do you still have a work/residence permit for the depot in the UAE? What proof is required to open the account?
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@Dividenden-Penner In the past, I received a permanent residence permit for the UAE through my employer.
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@Barsten Ditto, but mine expired a long time ago because I'm no longer there. I also still have an account with HSBC as a sort of "Karteileiche". The bank will probably ask for new proof to open a new account. 🫤
I assume you opened your securities account in the UAE when it was still active, right?
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@Dividenden-Penner I am registered as managing director for our office in the UAE and am also regularly on site, so everything is or remains active and can be used.
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Thanks for your candor and great post, very refreshing. May I ask why you chose the IE00B3WJKG14 - ishares S&P 500 Information Technology Sector ETF ? Since I have been following your portfolio from time to time, I would be very interested to know why exactly this ETF ? Since you are also active in the healthcare sector and certainly have enough expertise there, wouldn't it make sense to invest in this sector ? ☺️ lg
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@BamBamInvest Until recently I had the $WITS but then switched to the $IUIT. This reflects the approximate percentage of individual stocks that I would have bought as individual stocks in the first 5 positions.
I assume that it will perform better in the long term than an MDCI World which will be added next year. The aim is 40% World, 40 $IUIT and 20% shares as satellites. Medical will be covered by the World and a few shares in the future.

As written, the GQ portfolio is my small pocket money portfolio, the other portfolios consist of 30% MSCI World, 30% regular S&P500 and 40% equities. I may add them here when I have a little time.
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@Barsten Thank you for the quick reply and explanation, I didn't have that on my radar. I would have been interested in the satellites in the medical sector. Which individual companies with a valuation that is currently not astronomical do you still have confidence in or see a turnaround possibility. Especially companies that
perhaps not so well known or on the radar ✌️.
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@BamBamInvest to be honest I would probably get Abbott, GE, Unitedhealth, Medtronic or J&J, but I'm not sure that will happen as my focus is on tech and finance. Sorry if I don't have an insider tip here 😬.
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@Barsten No problem at all, I'm not spared the work anyway, I just wanted to know your thoughts on it. ☺️👍
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@Barsten, always thankful for detailed stories like this about unconventional lifestyle choices. Could you share some information about the tax structure in Indonesia? Specifically, how are profits from your side hustles taxed, Income or Capital Gains Tax (CGT)?
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@deAes due to many relevant tax items such as Salary, rental income, renovation costs, salary for staff etc. our taxes get managed by an Indonesian agency.

Our average taxes pending between 19 and 22 percent which works for us.
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What about communication? Have you learned Indonesian or can you get by quite well with English?
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@Shrimpman At the moment I mostly speak English or a mix of English, Bahasa Indonesia and gestures.
But I take language lessons several times a week and my wife also supports me. As Bahasa Indonesia is not as complicated as German, the amount of Indonesian I speak is increasing day by day.
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Super cool story. Thank you. I would have left out the Audi. It's cheaper. The tax rate in Indonesia is pretty low.
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