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Today something completely different on the subject of finances. I've always seen posts like "How high is your savings rate?". But on this point I look at it a little differently, namely how high is your savings rate compared to your consumption rate. I still refuse to slip into frugalism with all this investing. That's why it's important to me to use the time in my life for whatever I'm passionate about. If I had to compare my life, I would always see myself a bit like Tim Schäfer 😂Saving yes, traveling a lot yes, but "senseless" consumption no. In addition to my savings rate of €1000, I still manage to take 4 big vacations this year. But of course this also plays a role: Single, no children, no car. You should also bear that in mind, of course. So my savings rate / consumption rate is roughly 60/40.


But now to you. How does this comparison look for you? Do you already have frugalist tendencies or do you prefer to live more, have a family and save less?

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p.s. I only pay €5 for the Germany ticket, so transportation is not listed separately.

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Single, no children, car. Approx. 70% savings rate.
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@Luffy3D2Y 70% is decent 🚀
Hotel Mama then?
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@Jb_Sma Nope. My own apartment. I've lived in my own place since I was 18. Especially as I also support my parents financially.
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@Luffy3D2Y That's very high! Can I ask at what income level and whether you are doing it consistently? How do you build up the reserves and how do you deal with higher monthly unexpected costs?
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@Cracker I am slightly above the average annual gross salary in Germany. The 70% savings rate relates to the salary. I have additional monthly income from my trading portfolio, where I have a fixed sum. I use it to pay for vacations and support my parents and so on. I also live very simply, I'm a saver and don't have high monthly expenses. My biggest hobby is the stock market anyway. That's why I earn money rather than spend it.
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@Luffy3D2Y a lot of respect at this point! Does that mean you have a savings rate of 1800-1900€ per month?
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@Cracker Yup. Around 1800-2100, depending on whether I treat myself to something extra for traveling or need something for my parents.
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Savings rate of 2500€ per month, still living at home, 3 jobs
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@Therapeut You're really getting going 😱
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@Dirty30 yes, I somehow had the 100k target and did a calculation during my training😂
I'm even over that on average.
I live from my mini-job every month, basically a student life with a big deposit, deliberately no car
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@Therapeut not bad. Then I also got rid of the car, I was always annoyed by the cost guzzler :D
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@Therapeut that's awesome!!!! I would do the same if I had the opportunity ❤️❤️
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@Kubo schlampfe?😂
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@Therapeut Sorry - "Mrs." 😁
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@Kubo still with girlfriend😂
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52€ insurance is interestingly little
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@Twizzi maybe I haven't covered something if several people are already writing this 😁
That also seems very little to me.
Everyone should have occupational disability and personal liability insurance.
I think everything else is optional.
It certainly makes sense to have one or two supplementary health insurance policies (I personally don't have any),
retirement provision, if not otherwise regulated (I still have 2 small contracts and of course my securities account
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@Mbsmoker I don't actually have a BU.
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Income January
Salary € 4 115,00
Vacation pay
Dividends € 220.00
Total € 4 335.00
Plan
January expenses
Fixed costs
Rent, electricity, gas, internet € 525.00
Fitness center € 70.00
Shares € 2,000.00
Cell phone € 65.00
Insurance € 150.00
Hair € 15.00
Food € 500,00
Save money
Subway
Fixed costs: € 3 325,00
...
Variable costs: € -
Total € 3 325,00

Remains: € 1 010.00

That's how it would be for me :)
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@Investment4Life Rent, electricity, gas, internet at 525€ is cheap though 😱 sounds like a shared flat or 1-room 😁
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@Dirty30 haha...
Together with my girlfriend! And exactly... a 50m2 apartment is enough for us 😁
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@Investment4Life ah ok :D 50 is ok, you don't have to clean so much 😁
@Dirty30
Oh, because I like to cook every day, cleaning the kitchen already costs me more than enough!!! :D
Fortunately, my girlfriend takes care of the rest!

We've often thought about moving, but what's the point of a bigger flat without children! ... so we'll have another look in 3-4 years.
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@Dirty30 Oh yes, and to your question:
I used to party a lot, book 5* hotels etc.
After about 10 years of excesses, I stopped - my liver thanks me and a 4* hotel on the beach is more than enough.
Besides, without hangovers I have more time to do sports! So I don't miss throwing money out of the window :)
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@Investment4Life I would do the same. It's enough for now without children.
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I am lucky enough to be married and we also have 3 children. We earn about 8k plus child benefit. I have a car, motorcycle, bicycle, scooter, subscription, etc. I have to fly to my family at least 2-4 times a year and we also go away regularly. We manage to invest about half of that.
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@Aminmeskini half is very good. "You have to" also sounds great 🤣
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@Dirty30 yes, unfortunately my family doesn't live around the corner. I love my parents so much. I would love to be with them. I owe them everything (after God) they are not the youngest and I don't know how long I can see them and enjoy being with them. Hopefully long enough 😁
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@Aminmeskini that's right, you should use the time. But it looks similar for me too.
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Only €52 for insurance? How do you manage that?
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@hendrik_lmr really only? I think that's quite a lot to be honest 😁 How much are you paying?
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@hendrik_lmr but maybe it's because I don't have a car. This contribution has already been omitted.
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Well, a good BU alone is usually already over €52 p.m. 😂
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@Dirty30 What? 😂 Do you only have compulsory insurance? I pay around €250-300, but I also have expensive disability and car insurance.
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@hendrik_lmr I've always assumed that you're more likely to need a BU if you have a manual or physical job.
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@Dirty30 However, around 75% of the causes of occupational disability are mental illnesses, cancer, heart disease, accidents, etc.

I consider the BU to be an essential insurance.
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@hendrik_lmr I have personal liability insurance (€80 per year, shared with my partner: €40 p.p. and year) and my car liability insurance (€350 p.a.).

I am at €32. My deposit is my insurance for everything else. Yes, there was a certain risk in the first 5 years. But with a high savings rate, the risk is reduced considerably very quickly. You have to bear in mind that disability cases don't usually mean that you can no longer work until you retire in your mid-20s. It's often only a few months. The first 6 weeks are covered by continued salary payments. And then the health insurance fund continues to pay. If the savings rate is high enough, this doesn't bother you. As soon as the savings rate is > 40%, you can continue to invest even in sick pay. And this doesn't even take into account the fact that costs such as commuting, going out, etc. tend to decrease.
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@KevinE I understand the approach 👌🏼 I wish you every success with it
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My experience in the care sector tells me: without BU is always shit. The most important insurance for employees!
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Make a Sankey young 🫵. House child car I consume a lot and still don't save much in % but I live in the here and now. When you're 70+ at some point, you hardly do anything anyway 😉
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@Papiertiger Yes, that's true. At 70, you're lucky if you can still walk 😁
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2000€ per month
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I invest a lot of my money [approx. 2500-3000€/month] but if I want to get something, I just get it. -> 🚴‍♂️🌮🏝🤿 of course with careful consideration. Like going to Europapark at Christmas time 😄🎆
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@DonkeyKongx That's how it should be 😎 Did you treat yourself to a bike?
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@Dirty30 yes already in May 24😄💯 there were also around 5k 👀
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@DonkeyKongx nice. My work colleagues have all recently bought a Rose Renner and I'm already thinking about it. What model did you choose?
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@Dirty30 it has become the Centurion brand with double suspension, because of trails from time to time 😄💯 if it offers more quality of life, then you have to do it
👁👄👁
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@DonkeyKongx that's definitely fun :D
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Single, no children, vacations are too much stress for me. On average around 2 to 3k per month as individual investments with a net salary of 4k + around 600 euros net dividends. I can still buy what I want at any time and do so.
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@Solitair Hermit? I celebrate your depot and the strong savings. 👍Just ask me who you're doing it for. Seen the world at 51 or just sitting around at home? In the end, you'll probably only be making your heirs happy 😇
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@Papiertiger Not everyone likes to travel. 😌 There are also plenty of hobbies that you can pursue at home.
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I currently have a 67% savings rate
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Oh, you have a positive free cash flow. If you were an AG, I would invest in you. :)
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@Iwanowitsch Maybe I should issue some shares of mine 🤣 But the fact is that our finances as private individuals are similar to those of companies. We have income, expenses, make investments, etc. 😁
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Personally, I would see myself as a frugalist to a certain extent. But I have the feeling that there are often misconceptions.
I check before every purchase decision: will the product/service make me happier or more satisfied, will it take work off my hands?

If I can answer yes to one of these questions, I'm happy to put the money on the table. My bike, for example, cost about a month's salary. It was worth it to me and I would do it again. My winter jacket cost me €300 when I was at university in 2013. That was 1/3 of my monthly salary at the time. I still have the jacket because I like it so much. I have two very warm jackets in total. I don't need any more because otherwise they are more of a nuisance than a benefit.
Frugalism - as I interpret it - is my personal key to happiness (together with my wife (neither a frugalist nor a minimalist)).

I spend what is necessary on the things that are worth a lot to me. If my life is satisfying for me, I don't spend more just because I have more available.
My savings rate is what's left over. Of course, the savings rate and savings ratio fluctuate depending on salary/income. Since graduating, my savings rate has been between 50 and 75%, and is currently at the lower end again. If costs rise or income falls, I wouldn't necessarily change anything. Just as I wouldn't change my costs if my income increased.
Unless I really want something that I simply couldn't afford before.

However, as I don't have a penchant for extremely expensive things (watches for five-figure sums, cars for six-figure sums, etc.), this is relatively unlikely for me.
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Living in a partnership, separate accounts. No children, apartment paid off.
Savings rate 82% to 18% consumption.
Afford everything I want... but my expectations are somehow subliminal compared to others 😀
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what are the 14 euro soccer balls?
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So put 1736 into shares, not 1000 xD
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Interesting how everyone here ignores the main question. XD
My consumption budget is currently about half of what I currently save in various pots, including a deposit. My savings rate from my net salary all together is currently around 30-35%. So about 15 to 20% of my net salary goes on consumption, if I include subscriptions and co.

Living with my partner, no children, no car, no property of my own.
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We have a private nanny who looks after our child 1:1 and we live in a very large and modern apartment and therefore have a lower savings rate than we would like. We still think we can manage around 30-40% 👍🏻
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Funny. For me, vacations are pointless consumption 👍
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Moin,

savings rate --> 0%

I only buy what I really want. At the same time, I get rid of another item (via eBay). Otherwise, you clutter up your home and you get a few more dollars for the sale.

And if I have everything I think I need, then all that's left is the "savings rate"... So it's never the same. Sometimes also negative ;) (e.g. 2 weeks vacation in the Maldives)

Lives quite cool with it!

Best regards!
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I'm at a 50% savings rate, so I'm sure there's still room for improvement...
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Of the €2100 left over after my fixed costs, I invest 65%, 19% goes on hobbies and 16% remains as a reserve (free cash flow), so I try to build up a medium 5-digit cash cushion in the long term, because I have very little at the moment. But sometimes I also spend some of the free cash flow on consumption that is not planned.
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What insurance do you have?
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Family with 1 child. Monthly savings installment €1375.
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invest 65% of the net, the rest I use for living + fixed costs
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Student through my work approx. 500-1000€
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