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I see it exactly as you do. The best people are those who go on vacation 3 times a year but then complain that real estate is so expensive and nobody can afford a single-family home anymore.

But I also lead a rather minimalist lifestyle. Never smoked. Gave up alcohol years ago. I don't value status at all. And I also find vacations at home super relaxed. I pay a lot for my apartment, so I want to get something out of it 😁
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@DonkeyInvestor I'm the same and if you do something then it's a 1-2 day city sightseeing thing or mountain hiking
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@topicswithhead although mountain hiking also costs a lot of money
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@Alpalaka Do you charge admission to the mountains?
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@Alpalaka Where does it cost a lot? Maybe the stub where you buy expensive food but otherwise? Probably depends on how you do mountain hiking
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@DonkeyInvestor
To be honest, I wouldn't describe my lifestyle as minimalist, but I'm not wasteful either.
If I want something and the investment is worthwhile for me, I buy myself luxuries.

For example, last year I bought new, slightly more expensive headphones, some of which I also use at work.

I gave up smoking years ago and I can probably count the days I drink alcohol on one hand.

I have the privilege of living in a property and can therefore save a lot of money as I only have service charges and property reserves as costs. (Something that is currently much cheaper for me than a rented apartment by far).
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@DonkeyInvestor @topicswithhead well, when I'm in the mountains, I'm already out there for 3-5 days so that I can get around properly.
Overnight stay 40€, food 20€, beer 8€. Including food during the day, you can quickly add up to 100€/day. On top of that, you also have decent equipment, which is not even included.

"How to do mountain hiking": If I arrive at a hut on day 3, which is only supplied by helicopter and the soup costs €18, am I supposed to starve?


Of course, this is a completely different matter for day tours and is definitely cheap!
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@Alpalaka I think I'm simpler, but of course hiking can also be expensive. I've often gone hiking for a week in Switzerland to Gravebünde or somewhere like that, but I'm not really equipped. Normal shoes, a change of clothes and warm clothes, a good pack and off you go. I only eat the rest of the food from the hotel or supermarket when I'm out hiking. Switzerland is a bit more expensive, but even there it wasn't incredibly expensive. I don't go on week-long trips either, but a mountain is a maximum of one day and then it's from mountain to mountain, from morning to evening
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@Staatsmann but did you also have high initial expenses for property? Or did you inherit / live in an RTL2 bargain house?
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@topicswithhead Ay ok then that's different. Are you talking about day trips?
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@Alpalaka yes okay. I don't really do multi-day tours. I want to sleep in my own stable at night
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