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Luxury or basic need: what do we really need to live?


Hey everyone!

At the moment, I'm often asking myself what really counts as a basic need and what is a luxury.


The boundaries sometimes seem to be quite blurred - but is that really the case?


For me Food, housing, heating, electricity and clean water are clearly part of the minimum standard that everyone should be entitled to. (Not to mention basic medical care).

These things are necessary to live a healthy, safe and dignified life.

When we talk about basic services, such basic services should be accessible and affordable for everyone.


But what about other things that are often taken for granted?

Alcohol, tobacco or even vacation trips are examples that, in my opinion, should be seen more as luxury goods - and here I think there are good arguments for and against.


Arguments in favor of seeing these things as luxuries:


Health risksAlcohol and tobacco are known to be harmful to health and are not a basis for a healthy life. Some might say that such stimulants should not be part of the basic diet, as they are the opposite of a necessity.

Costs and quality of lifeVacation trips may contribute to relaxation and personal development for many, but they are not a prerequisite for a secure life.


Arguments against seeing them as a luxury:


Quality of life and mental healthA vacation or even a glass of wine can significantly improve quality of life. Some people would say that relaxation, self-care and enjoyment are also part of a dignified life - not just the bare minimum standard of living.

Social expectationsThere is also the point that our society often sees a certain way of life as standard. Things like vacations in particular have become normal for many and an important social issue - it can be stressful to be excluded here.


In the end, I personally think there should be a balance:

Basic needs must be secured for everyone, and that should always come first.

Luxury goods can enrich the quality of life, but in my opinion they are not necessary to live a safe and healthy life.


For example, I myself cannot understand why some people have an attitude that everyone must be able to go on vacation 2-3 times a year and that this must also be affordable. Regardless of your profession or income. (I'm not talking about an extended weekend in a self-catering guesthouse, but a club hotel vacation with a flight, at least 4 stars, etc.)


I currently go on a small vacation once or twice a year, but I don't consider it normal and am grateful that my job allows me to do so.

As a child, apart from an extended weekend with relatives, I didn't have a "real" vacation with my family and so I didn't really miss it.

But I also didn't grow up with this kind of vacation/recreation as standard.


How do you see it?

Where do you draw the line between necessity and luxury?


If you see vacations as a necessity and not a luxury:

Should there then also be a state budget for low incomes when going on vacation, so that e.g. pensioners, families with low incomes etc. can apply for appropriate support?

(Until 2010, for example, recipients of basic income support and Hartz IV in Germany could apply for money once a year to have a vacation up to X amount paid for by the authorities. This no longer exists and such a funding pot has been completely dissolved).


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I see it exactly as you do. The best people are those who go on vacation 3 times a year but then complain that real estate is so expensive and nobody can afford a single-family home anymore.

But I also lead a rather minimalist lifestyle. Never smoked. Gave up alcohol years ago. I don't value status at all. And I also find vacations at home super relaxed. I pay a lot for my apartment, so I want to get something out of it 😁
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I have a lot to do with people with disabilities in my job, and many of them are terminally ill. There is the large group that constantly struggles with their fate and there is the small group that doesn't constantly complain about what they can no longer do, but are happy about what they can still do despite their limitations. In my opinion, this can be transferred well to the topic
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Good morning dear @Staatsmann,
I see it the same way as you, I think it's partly due to the poor circumstances I come from. From single mother to unemployment/household & mother.
Vacation was also a highlight back then👌 I also have to say that I don't like being "fucked" on vacation. -> Tourist spots etc.
I don't need to visit every spot because it's trendy or popular on social media.

The Buddhist philosophy of life lets me live every day and appreciate what I have. I don't even have this "I need a vacation from work" because I've found a balance in life that makes it possible to turn everything into a highlight. What's more, you live most in pain -> in different ways.

On the point of enjoyment & comsum:
Enjoy a bag every now and then but otherwise no suffering like alcohol, cigarettes or anything else.
Also try to avoid caffeine and sugar as much as possible, exceptions prove the rule.

Simply grateful for what I have instead of being ungrateful for everything that isn't there.
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Great contribution as always!
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Devils Advocate: there are millions being fed by the welfare state who can work.

Now come up with a state budget for vacations, you're still doing well.

There are 25 rather 30 days of normal vacation here for every working person. A luxury compared to other countries.

Sorry, complete nonsense and before someone comes with a right/left club, I grew up in a simple working class family myself.

Rather reduce the whole state apparatus significantly, abolish bureaucracy and regulation / subsidies / citizen's income.

An unconditional basic income of €500-1,000 for everyone, no matter who, just don't starve to death and that's my opinion. 🤓 Yes, even those who work get it.

So gebug Stammtischpöbeln 😂
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I think vacations can be both a luxury and a necessity. A vacation becomes a luxury when you don't see it as relaxation or other added value, but instead it becomes a status symbol to fly so and so often to expensive and fancy places just so you can show off on social media or impress your colleagues.

And for low-income families in particular, I think it would be important to make social benefits available for vacations too.

Otherwise... I'm not used to going on vacation every year, I haven't grown up that much either. I mainly vacation on balconies or at festivals, I don't drink alcohol and I don't smoke either.
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I'm 23 years old and the last time I went on a real vacation was 7 years ago. Every 2-3 years there was a weekend in Austria, but that was with a tent or a self-catering guesthouse. Colleagues of mine seem to go away all the time, but as you say, I don't miss it because I'm no longer "used" to it. Of course I would like to travel from time to time, but my financial situation is simply more important to me at the moment. Overall, I'm also dealing with the issue of "what do I need at all" at the moment. My goal is a savings rate of 40%, but when do you start to live and treat yourself to something?
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Hello,

For some people I live lavishly and for others minimalistically.

(1) Minimalist
Invest 30-40% of my salary
Eating out a maximum of 1-2 times a month
10% security for extraordinary expenses

(2) Spendthrift
I save 10-15% a month for my vacation fund. I then like to spend this money on great vacations. E.g. Brazil, Rhodes, South Tyrol this year.
On vacation, I don't turn over every cent twice.

I think you have to find a balance. Life is too beautiful not to enjoy it.
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What does "basic services should be affordable" mean? So does that mean completely paid for by taxpayers while they work themselves to the bone?
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