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The nest egg belongs in the custody account

At least partly. A nest egg, Getquin-style.


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Common online recommendations for emergency funds (1–6 months’ salary, all strictly in a checking account or money market fund) are flawed and not return-oriented. Your emergency fund should be calculated based on your expenses, not your income. Once your investment portfolio reaches a certain size and with a sensible investment strategy, part of your emergency fund can be invested.


It’s time once again to challenge common recommendations online. Today: the emergency fund. Since many people unfortunately still lump regular planned expenses, vacation funds, and the emergency fund into one category, I’ll start with the basics:


The emergency fund consists of reserves for absolute emergencies. For example, for urgent, unplanned expenses that come due at short notice and cannot be postponed under any circumstances. It also includes reserves to cover the most essential recurring expenses should a source of income dry up.


The emergency fund should be kept separate from regular planned expenses such as rent, groceries, hobbies, etc. The money needed for these (+ a buffer) should always be in your checking account and does not count toward the emergency fund. The same applies to money that is planned to be spent in the foreseeable future. For example, for a new smartphone or a vacation. Ideally, the necessary savings for these are kept in a money market account and are also not part of the emergency fund. Or is going on vacation an emergency?


Now that that’s clear, let’s turn to the size of the emergency fund and thus one of the questionable “expert recommendations” online: Your emergency fund should be set aside in the amount of 2–3 (or, depending on the source, 1–3, 2–4, 3–6, ...) months’ salary (either gross or net).


Why do the figures vary so much? Because they’re nonsense. Based on the fundamentals of an emergency fund mentioned at the beginning, it’s not helpful to set a blanket figure of 1–6 months’ salary. It’s not the income situation that needs to be considered, but the spending situation. A low-income earner who rents, drives a 20-year-old car, relies on it, and is frequently absent from work for extended periods due to health issues needs a larger emergency fund than a top earner who lives rent-free in the basement of their parents’ paid-off single-family home and works 100% from home.


When determining the size of the emergency fund, options that alleviate the financial burden of an emergency should also be considered:

  • Instead of repairing the car immediately, I’ll use public transportation for a while
  • If I get laid off, it won’t happen overnight, and there’s unemployment insurance
  • I have insurance in case of disability
  • ...


To determine a reasonable amount for your emergency fund, look at your recurring, non-negotiable expenses and combine them with potential unplanned expenses that cannot be offset or postponed.


And that brings us to the controversial part of this post: Your emergency fund should (partly) in your investment portfolio! Simply for the sake of returns.


Of course, not right from the start. Once all debts have been paid off, the next step is to build up an appropriate emergency fund before considering investments in the stock market. But once the emergency fund is built up, you’ve started investing in the stock market, and your portfolio is worth many times the size of the emergency fund, you can certainly start putting parts of the emergency fund into your portfolio as well. Or to put it another way: You can reduce the size of your emergency fund. At least, if you’re following a reasonably responsible investment strategy (e.g., global ETF) and your portfolio isn’t made up solely of reckless speculative plays.


Why is this possible? Because your investment account serves as an additional safety net. You no longer need to keep as much cash on hand for emergencies, since you can withdraw funds from your investment account relatively quickly. Yes, even your well-diversified global portfolio can crash. But it definitely won’t drop to zero. And if it does, your emergency fund in your checking account will likely be worthless too.


The larger your portfolio, the more you can reduce your emergency fund and thus benefit from stock market returns. Keep in mind the time it takes for your money to reach your account after you sell. This often takes days. Accordingly, I would always keep a portion of your emergency fund in a checking account or money market account. Even though there are likely very few emergencies in which you’ll actually need money immediately:

  • Getting laid off won’t put you out on the street overnight
  • In the event of a serious illness, your wages will continue to be paid for several weeks
  • If your car breaks down, it gets repaired and only then is the bill paid
  • If the washing machine breaks down, you can go without doing laundry for 2 or 3 days, use your neighbor’s machine, or go to a laundromat
  • ...


In addition, genuine, free credit cards offer you additional ways to access money quickly and without fees. For me, it therefore makes perfect sense to put up to 50% of your emergency fund into a stock portfolio—as soon as it’s large enough.


How might your emergency fund grow over time?

You decide how large your emergency fund should actually be. Once you’ve paid off all your consumer debt, you build up the emergency fund to your target amount (checking account or money market account). Important: You do not use your emergency fund to pay for your regular expenses or vacations. That is handled separately. After that, you turn your attention to your investment portfolio. For example, you could transfer 500–1,000 euros from your emergency fund to your investment portfolio for every 10,000 euros in a global ETF. You do this as long as you feel comfortable with it.


Conclusion

General recommendations online definitely have their place. They’re easy to understand, easy to implement, and thus a good starting point for people who aren’t interested in the topic. But here at getquin, we’re in a bubble. We love diving into finance and squeezing out even higher returns while keeping risk reasonable. So why not do the same with your emergency fund?


How much is your emergency fund, and do you keep it (entirely) in a checking or money market account?


Kisses to your portfolio 💋

Your Christmas Donkey

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@tommycash people are finally realizing that a nest egg is pointless!!!! If the car breaks down, you just buy a new one ...
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@TreasureHunter financed with ungodly revenge leverage on the scrap value of the old car
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I only have a nest egg so that my financial flow bres don't tease me. 😇
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I absolutely agree! I have around €2,000 that I keep really liquid.

In case I want to take a spontaneous vacation or something similar.

You've perfectly summed up the other examples. Illness, unemployment or occupational disability are covered well enough in Germany so that you don't have to fall back on your own money.

If the aforementioned washing machine or fridge breaks down, there is often enough 0% financing available if things really get so tight that you can't pay for it out of your current income.

The absolute maximum for me would be 1 month's salary
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I know what yield-oriented is - All in Bitcoin 🚀
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@Ph1l1pp then All In!
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No emergency fund, manageable expenses and good tracking
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@Therapeut As a real estate shark, you simply raise the rent
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As an unlucky person with my own home (several building defects) and an existing loan, self-employment without occupational disability and unemployment insurance, I have to keep higher reserves. Merry Christmas to you too!
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@Dominik_76 that sounds understandable. Thanks for sharing!
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@DonkeyInvestor Thank you for your once again entertaining and informative article!!! Have you actually bought the Bitcoin yet or did you spend it all on Christmas presents? Happy holidays ;-)
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@Dominik_76 ah, you missed the resolution of my competition. Have a look at the latest posts in my profile
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@DonkeyInvestor Yes, I guess I did. Okay, I'll catch up, you fraud ;) But I'm glad it was a bluff.
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So can I buy Bitcoin from my nest egg?
My nest egg is just under 2 months' salary and is in overnight money :)
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@stefan_21 You have my absolution for that. Bitcoin is comparable to a world ETF 👍
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I have a largely distributing custody account, so I can also "afford" a small nest egg.
I always have a few marks in all my accounts, plus a nest egg as a couple and an "emergency nail" (€1k) in my own account. A separate vacation account, of course, and currently also an account for the next car (ours are from 2015 and 2008, so you have to expect to replace them soon).
Purely a nest egg of around 2 salaries / 4 monthly expenses. It would certainly be possible to optimize this now, but the return on the overall portfolio would only change insignificantly.
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@KevinE sounds like a solid approach. Thanks for sharing!
Even though you put it into perspective again at the end.

These nest egg recommendations are generalized and often come from the USA (especially the 6 monthly salaries), but can also make sense in Germany, for example. Self-employed people could see their income drop to zero from one day to the next, which is particularly dramatic in the early years.

Monthly salaries have a huge advantage: you don't need to have a clue and you don't have to worry about expenses. Because it's Christmas, I can think of the Christmas bonus in particular, which many people use especially to pay for insurance and other things in January, i.e. December/January is particularly money-intensive and in the event of termination without notice, for example (which would be an emergency in my opinion).

But I personally find the much-cited washing machine funny. Why do I necessarily need money in the call money account for this? Also on the grounds that you can access it within hours? Honestly, how often do these people do their laundry - every hour?

But it would also be awkward to say in a feel-good video: You're on your dream vacation and a close relative has just died and you have to fly back immediately.

The idea of how you could reduce your costs at short notice is laudable, but not expedient. it's about EMERGENCIES, which means unplanned, unexpected and at short notice:

- You live in the Ahr valley and your entire life has been washed away
- Your bank blocks your access to all your accounts with them
- Your bank has just gone bankrupt
- You have just been dismissed without notice and the dispute over the last payment from the company begins
...

Admittedly, this is all extreme. But that's how emergencies are.

So before I start discussing 3, 6 or 12 months' salary as a nest egg, I would think about it:
How many banks do I have my money in? Do you have your current account, call money and custody account at the same bank? -> I wish you good luck, you may need it.

Maybe you'll say my bank is "too big to fail" and I'll counter: Wirecard? Lehman Brothers? Credit Suisse?

Or you assume "I have deposit protection up to 100k and my ETF is special assets. My counter: What is certain is that you have a problem - 100k or not. You won't get your money for MONTHS - period! You don't even want to imagine the emotional aspect that is present at that moment.

I share your view that putting part of your nest egg or even all of it into the portfolio can be an approach. In my opinion, the more diversified the portfolio is, the smaller the nest egg in cash can be.

My nest egg plan:
Currently I have started to mix my nest egg with irregular recurring expenses, i.e. the pure nest egg will probably drop to 0 in the course of the coming year. But I am aware that if the nest egg requirement is needed at the same time as one of the irregular payments, I would then only have a part available for immediate use.

My plan in the event of an emergency:
- Set the savings rate to 0
- If necessary, ask creditors for a deferral (e.g. tax office additional claim)
- Use a credit card (never use it if you can't pay it off. The interest rates are astronomical!)
- Sell parts of the existing deposit

But from my point of view, these are topics that you can deal with if you have been managing your money yourself for some time and have developed a sense of the average monthly consumption of money. However, the videos are aimed more at beginners and people who prefer to take care of other things and 3-6 monthly salaries are very easy and you also cover different countries (DACH).

Merry Christmas
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@Eggplant Thank you for your good additions and insights into how you approach this. I have little to add. Perhaps only: Exactly, the 3-6 months come from somewhere else, were taken over and are not appropriate here. Hence the contribution. And yes, for many it's good enough to have simple and general statements that you can stick to without thinking too much. But if you want to, you can do better. Hence this article.

Merry Christmas
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Thank you! My nest egg is actually a bit higher: in case we need a small car and want to move to another city. It's currently earning a decent amount of interest on Trade Republic, but I'm also considering whether I should simply invest a certain amount of it. The portfolio is large enough that I could also realize a few profits if in doubt 🤔
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@Investplaner in case you need a small car and want to move to another city 😅? That sounds like very specific thoughts. Could that be in the foreseeable future or does something like that just happen from time to time in your life 😁?
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@DonkeyInvestor doesn't happen that often :) but it could happen soon - depending on how life circumstances change 😊
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@Investplaner Then I'll keep my fingers crossed that the life situation develops positively - whatever that means in detail
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I agree almost 1:1. Had a lot of unexpected expenses last month where shortly before the (fixed) salary transfer there was only €200 left in the account...
My learning: a nest egg of 6 months' salary + a large deposit is cheese... But a nest egg of 1 month's salary is sometimes a bit too much of a risk if you don't want to sell anything from the dot:D
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@InternetExplorer great. Apart from the fact that 1 month's salary (if it fits the spending situation) can be a good size: why do you dislike selling something from the portfolio?
@DonkeyInvestor It's purely a mental thing... Depot should grow and not shrink;) Of course, whether I take out 1k or pay in 1k less is +- irrelevant... So in case of doubt, it would work, that was always a good support last month to know that you are not "insolvent" in principle but only the current account is insolvent;)
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@InternetExplorer I understand 👍
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I don't have a nest egg in my account at all, despite renting my apartment and keeping deposits.

I have 2 credit cards and an overdraft facility that I could use in an emergency.
If (my) world were to end, I could still sell shares and get the money in 2-3 working days.

It has to be said that I have no wife/children, no car and am a permanent employee.
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@Malte123 certainly extreme, but I can understand it. Thanks for sharing!
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Nest egg is only for low earners & people who have debts 😂👏💯

PS: You can then distribute the coins again 😂🙋‍♂️
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Super useful post, we always read we should save 3-6 months in an emergency fund and never question it!
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I always have at least 5000€ in an overnight deposit for any eventualities, if it's below that, I only invest my savings plans until it's back up to that amount. Furthermore, I put about 50-100€ per month in case there is a nice sale in the stock market :) The rest goes completely into my investment strategy, which consists of 85% ETFs.
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Chapeau for this contribution!

With a nest egg, you should also consider possible crisis situations. At the Aldi around the corner from us, you couldn't pay by card for 3 weeks, then 3 weeks without cash. Two months ago, the ATMs in Berlin were out of cash, it's just stupid when the cell phone repair shop only takes cash because of a card error. Or I remember 2008, when the login for my current account was "Unfortunately not available at the moment" for almost a week and some money market funds were booked out with 0.

In short: diversification is also important for a nest egg. A little cash, giro, call money, money market, clearing account and even a small gold coin let you sleep a little more relaxed 😉.

Merry Christmas!
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Here, take a few coins so that you can still set aside a nest egg.
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It's an exciting topic that has also occupied me. I currently have a nest egg of 6,000 francs. That's currently enough for 2 months. My goal would be around 10k. However, as I rent, am not self-employed, don't have a car and have no other debts, my nest egg doesn't need to be too high. Because of the vacation, I don't think it's a problem if you take something from your nest egg, as long as you build it up again afterwards.
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Bravo great post. I will adapt my 2025 strategy
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I actually thought the same thing last month. After I cracked the 100k mark, I fired about 3k of my nest egg into the portfolio.

The remaining 6k is divided into. 2000 giro, 2k call money, 2k Trade Republic.
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A great opinion on the nest egg, I've also often thought about recalculating the nest egg due to my "essential" expenses. I still feel comfortable with the 3-4 net monthly salaries I'm currently aiming for, but a reassessment could pay off more in the long run as interest rates continue to fall.

My nest egg has been divided up so that a small part of it is in my call money account and the rest is with Trade Republic to take the interest.
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I haven't had an explicit "nest egg" for a while now, as I wouldn't know what unplanned costs we would have to pay immediately. Our finances are managed in such a way that unplanned expenses can be financed from current income in an emergency. Major costs are not unplanned and are insured anyway.
There are also some conservative investments that can be liquidated at any time. And then I still have the cash reserve for my current trades, which can also be accessed. It rarely goes to zero.

As you say, even if I lose my job unexpectedly, my salary will continue for a few months.
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I have 3 children, a house, something rented out and we are more or less dependent on 2 cars. Without a nest egg, I would feel uncomfortable. Despite a 6-figure deposit. Unfortunately, the "problem" is that I build up separate reserves for everything. In other words, earmarked ones. This has the advantage that I write off all expenses in advance, so to speak. Unfortunately, the disadvantage is that the individual pots add up to a sum that is actually too big to just have lying around. In the meantime, I've got to the point where I've invested one part each, for example. Into a Gemdmarkt ETF. Because I can't/won't have 12 custody accounts, I then keep track of "what" money has been paid in. Somehow it's all a bit complicated, but I feel quite comfortable with it.
But basically I would agree with you. Invest calmly, but with caution.
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Thought-provoking, great Post👏🏻
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As a nest egg in case BTC does go to 0.
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I don't really like to comment as a 95th grader ... but your contribution is really good and correct ... If I had coins, I would give them to you ;-). We don't have a nest egg thanks to our 5-digit net income. The 2k for the broken dishwasher last month thankfully works for us without a nest egg. If, for example, something major were to break in the house that the insurance company wouldn't pay for, we'd have time for the tradesmen to invoice us and also have a generous overdraft facility for short-term overdrafts. Even a loan on real estate would only take a few days thanks to existing land register entries. We are therefore pumping our money into the deposit and, of course, consumption (otherwise the economy won't run smoothly ;-))
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In the meantime, I've also moved away from leaving several months' salary lying around. I wouldn't know what for. Sure, you have a few thousand euros at your fingertips, but not 3-4 months' salary. And if I really need that much (I don't know what for), then I just sell shares. And in the worst-case scenario, at least I still have family who can help out at short notice. But as I said, I don't really need that...
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As I have hedged the securities account with 10% gold (ETC) and the majority could already be sold tax-free, I don't really need a nest egg.
At the moment I still have two months' salary in my call money account. Which only pays 2.5% interest.
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My nest egg currently covers one month's rent plus living costs. I also have a savings account and a vacation pot that I could use in an emergency.

My conclusion: a small nest egg is enough to maximize the savings rate in the custody account.

To be honest, how big does my nest egg really need to be? I have no children, no car, no property, no major expenses and no debts. If worst comes to worst, I could even draw a citizen's allowance.
PS: As the value of your portfolio increases, you should become more relaxed. Hardly anything upsets me anymore. Even if my portfolio is "only" worth 50,000 euros (not much by Getquin standards), that's a solid sum for my age.
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My nest egg is my cash reserves for "one-off entry opportunities". The real nest egg, however, is a thousand in cash at home. If the banking technology or payment service provider fails, you can easily get by with a thousand for a while. What good is a penny that I can't get hold of? Of course, I pay for that with the concentrated brutality of inflation...and no: I don't hoard gold at home, I'm not a pessimist^^
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The recommendations given online are only rough guidelines. They always include information depending on the individual life situation.

And indeed, if you have a high income, it is probably much easier to pay for a washing machine or fridge out of your current salary than someone with a lower income.

I'm still at the very beginning, despite the fact that I'll soon have been investing in the market for two years. My salary still isn't enough for me to spontaneously spend €500 to €700 on a broken washing machine or fridge and maintain my savings rate at the same time.
Or if the dog has to go to the vet and you have to pay in advance until you get the money back from the animal health insurance.
That's why both the dog has a (digital TG) savings stocking, which should have around 6k in it at some point in the best case scenario, and my nest egg is set at 10k (in an overnight money account), but is still far from full.

Even if you lose your job, you sometimes have to bridge several months until you get money from the authorities. Which is all the more difficult the lower your current income is.

My personal conclusion is: yes, a nest egg is definitely important. Especially if you have a lower income and don't have a huge deposit.
But you have to work out for yourself how much money you need to bridge x months.

But yes. If at some point my portfolio were to pay out monthly dividends equivalent to my salary, I would also reduce my nest egg considerably.
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