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⚠️Dangerous situation: spin-offs at Alphabet / Google⚠️


Personally, I have the impression that many of you are taking this a little too lightly.


The arguments I've heard here so far range from "the USA won't harm itself" to "a spin-off can also have advantages". Both are wrong in my opinion.


First of all, the USA will not harm itself by breaking the Alphabet search engine monopoly, as the most important competitors are also other US companies.


However, I find the idea that shareholder value could be created through the spin-offs even more dangerous. This can certainly be the case for a company like Amazon, whose valuation is 90% based on AWS, but which also has many other exciting business areas that are often forgotten.

With Google, however, the situation is very different. The company consists of a number of business models, none of which make any sense in and of themselves and are only valuable in combination.


This applies in particular to the Chrome and Android divisions proposed for spin-off. These are completely free and their sole purpose is to collect data and place advertisements. However, if these are separated from the group, they are basically almost worthless. Google's products only work so well because they continue to expand the advertising and data network, but are not profitable as independent business entities. This is also the decisive difference to Amazon. They earn money in the retail sector with their online store and in the AWS sector with cloud computing. Both work perfectly well, completely independently of each other. At Meta and Alphabet, however, virtually all products in the group have exactly the same business model. You can really think of it like an amputation. If your arm is cut off, you continue to live and your arm no longer does. The arm doesn't simply become a second person who is also cool.


Sure, you can speculate that Trump will intervene, but otherwise it looks really grim. And although such a dismantling would theoretically speak against Trump's libertarian economic model, it is at least courageous to assume that he has a great interest in helping a diverse, sustainable and progressive company like Google (you could also call it "woke"). It's a bit like the German government under Scholz, which also thought it was positioning itself unilaterally in favor of Kamala and is now no longer politically viable.


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I see you are responding to my arguments (I must have become a target with $MC 😂), which were of course not really detailed due to time constraints, and you are of course absolutely right with what you say ✌️. But if it really gets that far, it will be a lengthy process, there will be an appeal, companies like $AAPL will also not be happy if they are deprived of 20 billion in revenue. For me the purchase was an overreaction and speculation in the short term and I don't know how long I will hold. But they have already failed in a similar case at $MSFT and that won't happen overnight . Cheers ✌️
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@BamBamInvest Please don't take offense. It's actually a coincidence that it concerns you again. But if I want to write about the topic anyway, I have to take your arguments on board :D

Google has also tried this several times. You don't even have to look at Microsoft. But so far they've never been serious about it.

As I said, I also think LVMH is good. I watch them myself.
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@Soprano All good, I'm not, I was more joking 😁. I think it's good that people are exchanging ideas and everyone is allowed to have their own opinion and personal price targets or entry points. Too often I've waited for a price that didn't come, so I usually strike a little earlier and you're not wrong. ✌️
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@Soprano I should probably start explaining my motives in more detail again, but that's pretty time-consuming, so I'll only ever write short versions. I know what it's like to write articles for several hours. I've already had to go through that with the $SOFI and $HIMS company presentation 😂
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@Soprano I'm actually quite relaxed about the whole thing. Even if the measures were enforced, this would probably not be the case for at least a year. The argument that the competition could take over the business is also not so easy to implement. As far as I know, there are currently only two major advertising models: Bing and Google. Platforms such as Mozilla and many others are either based on revenue from Google or Bing or pursue rather unconventional business models.

I also find it difficult to imagine that Chrome could be spun off in isolation. So I think a potential split would be more focused on Android, and that business has considerable value in itself. While it is partly true that there is some interdependence within the company, this is essentially only in the area of advertising revenue.

YouTube, for example, could be spun off if a corresponding advertising deal is concluded. Google Cloud could also be set up separately, based on a customer deal. Google products could also be spun off. The core area - Search & Ads - together with the "Other Bets" would nevertheless be independent business models that could function independently to around 85%.

Ultimately, each of these segments only needs a cloud provider and an advertising network. In the worst-case scenario, there are also alternative advertising providers. These might not offer the same volume as Google or Bing, but sooner or later the market would regulate itself. I myself have long advocated a spin-off and would actually say that you can create up to 500 billion to 1 trillion dollars in value, which is now simply stuck inside as a holding discount
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@topicswithhead very nicely summarized 👍
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@BamBamInvest Do you want to reply to my other comment? I have the feeling I was ignored 😂. Mine on the Sofi post
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@topicswithhead I haven't seen it 😂 I'll have to look it up later
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@topicswithhead But I totally agree with you. If something like a spin-off from YT or Cloud were under discussion, that would be a really big added value and a great investment story.

But that's not the issue here, the regulators don't want to split off Search & Ads from the other areas, they want to split Search & Ads into itself, which would simply be a disaster.
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@Soprano I know you didn't say anything else, I just wanted to say that it can't be split off unless you allow deals in the background. That would then only be advantageous because it would free up value. I can't imagine separating it and throwing it to the dogs. It doesn't work that way either, because even with a complete spin-off, Chrome needs a search partner. What should they do then, run to Microsoft?
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how do you currently see the valuation
would you wait with a first purchase
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@Memo0606 Yes, of course I would wait. We are less than 10% below the ATH, although this is one of the worst news stories of the past 5 years. So far it has never become official and ready for the US authorities to call for a break-up.
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I see it exactly the same way. But I'm more curious to see how long this will drag on and what Trump's final opinion is, as he's been quite indecisive about it so far. I'm going to wait and see and I don't think I'll buy until next year, by which time the prices should have fallen further... if at all.
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I'm a bit confused: Why should Chrome and Android be worthless if you look at them individually? If you can collect data and place ads via them, you have a business model. That would mean that Meta would also be worthless.
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@Stryke What does that have to do with Meta? Well, anyone can collect data in the browser, regardless of whether it's Opera, for example. This only becomes interesting through Google Ad Sense and tracking.
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@Soprano Facebook, Insta and WhatsApp also mainly collect data and place advertisements. Very few people buy anything.
Of course, others can do that too. But Chrome is already implemented and will continue to be used. Just because Chrome is no longer 100% owned by Alphabet doesn't mean that people and companies will switch.
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@Stryke I could imagine that Chrome, separated from the Google (data) network, loses quality - personalized search results etc...
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That is not necessarily a bad thing.
If I remember correctly, the split-up of Standard Oil did not harm the shareholders at the time, but brought many of them large profits afterwards.

Especially because you can then concentrate your investment on the more successful part.
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@UndNun I have already explained that. The split is only good if all companies are independently viable, but not if they are a piece of the puzzle that creates mutual synergies (which are then missing)
I have further increased my stake in Alphabet. The current price is very favorable compared to the other Mag 7s.
The reasons given by the Department of Justice as to why Alphabet should spin off the Chrome browser are confused and unconvincing. It won't stand up in court. I wish the DOJ good luck in a years-long trial that will ultimately result in nothing but costs for the DOJ. I also assume that Trump will clean up the DOJ in a big way. A number of people have accumulated there who are left-wing and almost tend towards communism. They would love to nationalize successful companies like Alphabet. I think it is very unlikely that the new people in charge at the DOJ will continue to pursue the lawsuit after the Trump takeover.
In any case, Alphabet will continue to generate extraordinary profits with high profitability over the next few years, which you first have to find in other companies. A clear buy for me. Buy the Dip!
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But is Google not so good or has it become big because others are so bad. Or have not made it.
There are alternatives to Google, such as Bing etc. . Furthermore, Microsoft has not managed to create an alternative to Android with the Windows Phone. So the only competition left is Apple. But I don't understand why Alphabet is now being penalized just because they have managed to penetrate a market that is open to all.
Maybe all the other search engine operators should just do better and take back some of the pie. Imagine if Tesla suddenly started producing such good cars that suddenly everyone would only drive Tesla and other car manufacturers would be squeezed out of the market.
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Decision by the court in July 2025 !!! Never and never under Trump.1984 under Clinton was the breakup of AT&T then it was tried at Microsoft 2000 and nothing happened and there the power position is even higher!!!
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@Jepeto But Trump doesn't like Google
@Soprano then it will be deleted from the search function!
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