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Help, my daughter is a low earner 😱

And only manages a paltry 2.33% of our savings rate.


A few days ago, I shared the first dividend my daughter received. 66 cents. A comment, presumably not entirely serious, from @CryptoPfand got me thinking: "My son has €13 in dividends so far (born in November)... Is your daughter only 3 days old? In any case, congratulations!". Just think about it, @CryptoPfand . She can't be just 3 days old because of the ex-day 🤦


No, my daughter was born in October 23. We currently invest €35 a month for her in a junior custody account in her name and €35 in a custody account in my name, which she will receive as a gift at some point. Dividends are reinvested in the respective custody account, all gifts (for her, for her birth, ...) end up in her junior custody account. Why two custody accounts? My wife doesn't feel comfortable with the fact that she will have a large amount of money at her disposal on her 18th birthday without any ifs or buts. Splitting the money into 2 custody accounts is the compromise that has resulted from this.


An average of 3,000 euros of my wife's and my income currently goes into our own savings accounts every month (in total, not in each case). The ratio of our daughter's savings rate to our savings rate is therefore ridiculously low. We even collect her child benefit instead of investing it like some others here ( @AlterMann ). I guess that makes us stingy, bad parents.


But let's do the math first. Excluding gifts of money and assuming a 6% return per year, at 18 she has a deposit of just under 27k. If we assume an annual inflation rate of 2.5%, the conservatively calculated 27k corresponds to a current purchasing power of over 17k. That's a lot of money. Or just money.


Why do we think this is a reasonable sum?

First of all, we are in the privileged position of being the parents of a healthy daughter 😍. In addition, we are lucky enough to be able to provide financially for ourselves and for her - something that cannot be taken for granted.

After that, it's important for us to pass on values to our daughter and raise her in our interests. This also includes a sensible approach to and a good relationship with money. We want to use our very good financial situation to make her start in adult life a little easier. But we also want her to understand that being able to afford almost everything is not a given. We don't think a 200k deposit for her 18th birthday, as some people present on getquin, makes sense.


As parents, we are always there for her to support her in emergencies. Thanks to our reserves, this will also be possible without any problems. However, we are not there to finance a life of luxury for her or to relieve her of all (financial) worries. We have therefore opted for a relatively low savings rate.


What do you think? Would you pay more into our daughter's savings account if you were us? How do you provide for your children? How much are you putting aside? Why exactly this amount?


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@DerMartin and all other parents

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Dear donkey,

A truly "tricky" subject, which can and sometimes "must" be approached in many different ways.

Due to my personal situation, I can even look at this topic from several different angles.

I have 5 children, 3 (24, 22, 21) from my first marriage and 2 (11 and 7) with my (as of Friday) second wife.

My 3 big kids: I had a very expensive divorce for me at the time. Our newly built house wanted to continue to be paid for (voluntarily, as I didn't want to deprive my children and my ex-wife of their home) and maintenance for 3 children is really massive. So with these children, I had to make a decision. Option 1: I save a certain amount of money every month and option 2: I create memories, experiences and adventures...
I opted for option 2. We went on vacation every year, we visited parks, we were on the road, we experienced a lot...
All 3 of us had to learn early on to take responsibility ourselves. If it was an iPhone, then we had to work during the summer vacations, if the pocket money was too little, then advertising leaflets were distributed.

All three have become self-confident, hard-working and happy young adults, without a savings account at 18. If something needs to be done today, Dad is happy to help. A small allowance for the car, a new washing machine or even a bike for the journey to training (they have now all completed their training and have jobs and an apartment).

If I talk to them about money today, everything is okay. There are no "accusations" or anything like that, we are completely at peace.

The little ones: My current (soon to be) wife is also part of this and I/we are now doing really well financially (assets >200k and a secure, slightly above-average income).
We go on vacation three times a year and go on many weekend trips. We want for nothing. Nevertheless, as things stand today, my children will "only" have around 20k at their disposal when they are 18. Yes, it could be 50k or more. But why? We will always be ready in emergencies! But we also want them to create their own assets.

When I see how proud my 22-year-old son is that he bought himself a BMW a few weeks ago, saved up from his education salary, then I know it can't have been entirely wrong. Yes, some of his friends have been given better cars, but none of them have that proud gleam in their eyes when they talk about it.

All in all, I think it's more important to give your kids the best childhood possible, spend time with them and love them unconditionally. But whether they start life with 1k or 100k will not make them happier or unhappier in the long run in my opinion.
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My daughter is now eight and her portfolio has been running at a similarly high savings rate since birth - for very similar reasons 👍 So I can understand your arguments very well.
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I myself (21 years young) find this more than appropriate and well thought out. I can't yet say anything about my own children, but I myself have never inherited anything like a deposit or savings account etc. from my parents. I was always well off, I had a great childhood but some people here seriously think that a deposit of several thousand euros for your 18th birthday is a matter of course. I wish your daughter continued good health and you lots of success with your deposits for her :)
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Even though I know that many people here are just complaining as a joke, perhaps we should also get back to the facts.

No matter whether it's €10k or €5k or €20k:
In all cases, this is quite a lot of money that you are suddenly given and expected to "manage" at the age of 18.

Even with €5k, I would probably have been happy to have an extra hole in my butt when I was 18, because it's simply not a matter of course to receive that much money "just like that".
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Your daughter's birthday is on the same day as mine - so I'd say you're doing everything right :)

Warren Buffett once said that it's bad when children have so much that they no longer have any motivation to develop. I agree: happiness is not in achieving goals, but in working towards them.

In any case, all the best for you!!!
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I think that anyone who gets involved in this issue with other people's children is sitting on a high horse, is arrogant or impertinent. There are so many parents who can't give their children a penny, yet are worlds better parents than some who put aside 1k a month. In general, I think that anyone who does something financially for their children is doing something good. Whether it's 1 euro or 1,000 euros, the amount of money has nothing to do with good or bad parents. And comments along these lines are very hurtful, because nobody knows what state a family is in, what the contact is like, how much parents love their children or not. That's why I've stopped talking about this topic. Because envy and arrogance are unfortunately the order of the day when it comes to this topic. Anyone who invests even a cent here is privileged. There are so many people who have nothing to eat at the end of the month, and not just in 3rd world countries. And nobody who does anything for their children should be criticized because of the size of a sum of money.
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Cheers to the bad parents!
Dear donkey, when will we finally meet in the outside world of Getquin?
Brother in spirit. Unfortunately, I don't have the time right now to give my intellectual input on this post. But I'll make up for it this evening, this afternoon... in the meantime, this comment serves as a placeholder for fun and outreach.
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I would like to formally apologize for my comment 😉
Just kidding, of course. I think every euro you put aside for your daughter today is a good euro. If you're investing several thousand euros with your wife at the same time and putting money aside for your daughter in your name, then it's "just" a dummy entry in your head of what belongs to whom. The point is that your daughter will be better off at the end of her life because her parents have thought about providing for her.
At the moment, we are investing all the child benefit in my name. However, I'm pretty sure that within the next 18-25 years I'll also start opening a custody account in his name and saving in his name. But I'm in no hurry. We're paying off our condominium at the same time, saving additional money into our deposits every month, putting money aside for a vacation home in Italy and if my calculations work out, then our son - once we're gone - will have a much easier life than I would wish for him... 😜😜😜😜
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My daughter is 8, she also has her own Junior Depot, I have written a lot about this on my website, but I will shorten it to a few lines: I think the most important thing you have to give your child is the right mindset and an understanding of what money is, how it works and how you can make it work for you. Until she started school, I paid her a daddy dividend into her piggy bank (which is now in the Junior Depot) and gave her 1 euro more pocket money per week for every 100 in the Junior Depot that she didn't spend (initially for every 50, but then it became too expensive for me 😅). She now keeps a few euros for expenses and pays the pocket money and the daddy dividend into the custody account. My aim is to shape her mindset so that I don't have to worry about her doing nonsense with money when she's 18.
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Respect that you take care of it at all. Don't take it for granted, because some parents can't do that financially either.
I think that's a reasonable amount, because you're also paying huge sums of money for your daughter until she can stand on her own two feet.
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