1Yr·

After much deliberation, I have finally taken a small step through the door...

11.09

Petrobras Brasileiro

Bought x44 at €6.851

€301.44

24 Comments

Memo0606@Memo0606

1Yr

good luck
i had also considered buying here but the dependence on government regulation put me off

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FunFun@__FunFun__

1Yr

@Memo0606 healthy attitude - is the same as Gazprom, if you make a total loss you can't complain too much because no healthy UN pays such a high dividend, they only pay it to attract investors despite the immensely high risk

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S.A.U.@SAUgut77

1Yr

@Memo0606 It was also on my mind for a long time...almost 51% state, dividend discussion 2024, special tax 2024, CEO change 2024...but all in all interesting for me and will build up to the first target of 200 pcs.

And the state is dependent on good earnings and the resulting dividends from $PETR3.

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S.A.U.@SAUgut77

1Yr

@__FunFun__ I have a somewhat more differentiated view in some areas, as the Brazilian government has firmly budgeted for these high dividends, which it receives with a stake of almost 51%.

If it were to drive things against the wall, there would be a big gap in the budget and I think that is something that is being looked at.

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Dividende > Zinsen@GoDividend

1Yr

@__FunFun__ Gazprom only failed because the Ukraine crisis intervened.
Otherwise, many people here would be happy about this share

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FunFun@__FunFun__

1Yr

@GoDividend exactly "if that hadn't happened" ^^ that was a risk that everyone knew and everyone knew that it wasn't low, so it was factored into the price of the share - hence the high dividend to attract investors despite the high risk

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Dividende > Zinsen@GoDividend

1Yr

@__FunFun__ So you're factoring in wars that could break out at some point. Congratulations. I'd love to have your crystal ball

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FunFun@__FunFun__

1Yr

@GoDividend Where did I explicitly say that?

So it was foreseeable that Russia would act somewhere, be it through war or other actions (which are sanctioned by the West) to STRENGTHEN their control over luhansk and donetsk - the "war" is not just 2 years ago ^^ see Crimea and the 2 regions that were effectively under Russia's control even before the war

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S.A.U.@SAUgut77

1Yr

@GoDividend Can we share it then, I've heard it's also good for emerging markets^^

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FunFun@__FunFun__

1Yr

@GoDividend I also had Russian shares - nornickel - that was clearly a gamble and not a fundamentally solid/safe investment, I just thought Russia would take a while to act.

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S.A.U.@SAUgut77

1Yr

@__FunFun__ But you are generalizing everything, i.e. with regard to the high dividends, and that doesn't really fit into the overall context.

Especially as Brazil would not exactly be known for its art of war.

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Dividende > Zinsen@GoDividend

1Yr

https://www.wallstreet-online.de/nachricht/18462342-passives-einkommen-dividendenrendite-17-8-investoren-starken-nerven

Something to read up on. Especially with regard to state interests.

No, I'm not invested 😅 (doesn't suit me)

For others, however, consider positive points in the article for an investment

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S.A.U.@SAUgut77

1Yr

@GoDividend I just found the same post and wanted to post it right away...Chapeau 👍

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Simon@Hammerdividende

1Yr

After all the comments here, my eyelid is twitching. In my opinion, @SAUgut77 sums it up well and in a slimmed-down way. Brazil can't drive the thing against the wall purely for its own financial interests. That wouldn't be a small hole for Brazil to open up. Yes, the company is largely state-owned, but I also see the advantage here -> too much dependence on the state.

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Ella M.@DividendenWaschbaer

1Yr

I am still waiting for the distribution from 20.08 at TR...

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S.A.U.@SAUgut77

1Yr

@DividendenWaschbaer ask @AlterMann, he would definitely say "it's your own fault" again 😂

No, but seriously, TR is no longer possible in my opinion! When I changed my bank from Smartbroker to Smartbroker+, I first considered switching, but in the meantime I'm really glad I stayed.

Dividends arrive punctually with a maximum delay of 2-3 days, under €500 just €1 fee, from €501 free of charge, can trade on many international and national stock exchanges at acceptable conditions if required, etc.

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Ella M.@DividendenWaschbaer

1Yr

@SAUgut77 well, for the most part I'm satisfied, as long as you don't need support. 99% of my dividends arrive on the day of payout, sometimes a day later. Free of charge, of course.
Only Petroleo Brasileiro now takes 3 weeks. But I was told that it just takes a little longer. According to Google, there's no deadline or anything. So it may well take 4 weeks or so.

Apart from that, I think the overview is great and of course it's cheap. But you have to make sacrifices somewhere. Unfortunately 😅

By the way, 4 weeks ago I asked the SBroker whether they offer duplicate shipping. After the statement "depends on the effort", two further inquiries (by e-mail) as to what kind of statement that was and two phone calls in which I was promised that I would get a call back, I decided to deal with DKB after all. Petroleo Brasileiro will probably move there too 😂

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Ronald@AlterMann

1Yr

@SAUgut77 And rightly so. There's a lot more crap happening with the carryover than when it gets better.
In the meantime, some positions have been booked out twice, but only some of them have arrived at zero. As a result, some positions are in the red. And they don't reply to emails

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S.A.U.@SAUgut77

1Yr

@DividendenWaschbaer I meant the €500 or from €501 when trading and not in relation to the divi. This is of course also free of charge...

Ok, the support is just a general thing with the "cheap" brokers, but as I said, I'm happy with S+ so far.

From a certain size, however, I will also transfer some shares from the discounter to a supermarket.

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S.A.U.@SAUgut77

1Yr

@AlterMann can understand the annoyance, but why do others with problems at TR have such a saying around their ears 🤷‍♂️

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Ronald@AlterMann

1Yr

@SAUgut77 That wasn't meant personally. It was meant more like this: "Keep your eyes open".
By the way, you can write to Mauls at Zero, they usually reply on the same day, even several times

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