Techaktien · 2023-07-20T10:05:06.843809Z

One in five can't afford a vacation. And so that it will soon be one in four, in 2024 the CO2-#Steuer tax will be increased. What we need are tax cuts now! #Steuern #Geld #Fintwit #Urlaub

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Maybe it's simply because people don't know how to handle money? 🤷🏼‍♂️ Moreover, vacation is not a basic right and is actually a luxury expense.

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Herumarq@Herumarq

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I agree somewhat with @Staatsmann. Many really can not handle their money. Am myself a family man and earn not degree much. Nevertheless, the money is enough for everything. Although no Dubai travel for 10 000 euros but still 2-4 vacations a year are inside. Set priorities and do not cause waste. See it myself in my circle of friends. In return, they smoke a pack for 10 euros a day and finance their cars for 600 euros a month. This is just my personal opinion and everyone should live as happy as he wants to.

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devnerd_daddy@devnerd_daddy

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That is populist nonsense. We are talking about people with low incomes. Let's take a family that earns 3500€ gross together. So a call center job plus part-time something similar. They have two children and thus pay (according to the calculator) 172€ in taxes. So now tell me, how far you want to lower the tax, so that there is much more around? And then you have to look at this survey: "according to own information". Means it was not evaluated objectively, but one asked for feeling. I made a week's vacation in France a month ago, with 3 children. The cottage has cost me including cleaning, etc. just 520 €. If you now buy food yourself, then the costs are more or less like eating at home, so hardly makes a difference. My parents did not have much money during my childhood and since we have just made exactly the same vacation. There was then just no restaurant, no 1000 ice cream, etc., but we were away and it was fun. Sure, we never flew, but that was just the way it was. Today I earn a "few" Ocken more and then just goes activity until the doctor comes, but do I have to do that? I think not.

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Joris@Joris

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Well if I have to pay as a family of 4 (children 2 and 3 next year) for 14 days over 7,000 € for Europe it is already critical. Not the question with me whether you can afford it but whether you want to pay that. Is all inclusive, but still become expensive

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Cekay@CMustermann

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@Joris However, I strongly assume that such surveys filter by "can I afford it but just don't want it" or "I just can't afford it".

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Dennis@GordonGekko83

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@Joris this is what it looks like! At some point it's enough! With us it goes again direction individual vacation! Do not see it 7 bills for 14 days Greece and co spend.

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Staatsmann@Staatsmann

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@CMustermann And besides, the standards for vacations are extremely different and are rarely set in such surveys. For some, 10 days on the island of Rügen can only be categorized as an "extended weekend getaway", and these people then say "Yes, I couldn't afford a vacation" and for others, 4 days in the Harz mountains count as a family vacation. Depending on their personal situation, that is.

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Staatsmann@Staatsmann

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@Joris Where do you want to go on vacation if it's 7k€? 🙈 I would tend to guess at the price on Canary Islands.😅

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Joris@Joris

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@Staatsmann that was now Rhodes 😅 Mallorca were also partly such prices. Must also say probably have to fly in the summer vacations. Have times at the beginning of May Rhodes looked is one still at 3700€. And that for May.

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Dennis@GordonGekko83

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@Staatsmann laugh. Have probably longer not looked for vacation?! Has everything become so expensive (5Köpfe), except Turkey, but to the dictator carry me no 5 horses or were that 10?!🤔

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Staatsmann@Staatsmann

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@GordonGekko83 But, only 1-2 weeks ago. 😅 Fortunately but outside the vacations and only for 2. The thing for 4 comes only yet 😕 Bulgaria with 4/5 star all inclusive per P. scarce 800€ incl. Kinderbespaßung. 😅 Has my cousin last booked for the family. Mid-August then.

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Staatsmann@Staatsmann

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@Joris But Greece has become extremely expensive! 5 or 6 years ago I was on Crete and you paid over 1000€ for adults.

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Souli@Souli1984

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@Joris You have to compare a lot. Am now with the kids also 2 weeks on Mallorca for 4000 euros. 2 super hotels but only half pension. For best flights and lots of entertainment for the kids and what was important to me separate bedrooms.

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Diana Diana@Diana1975

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@Joris 14 days Italy with 4 people... 2000€ accommodation plus food and activities (we also have to eat at home) it will be approx. 3500€.

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Pope Donkey XXI@DonkeyInvestor

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Taxes down not necessarily. Taxes should rather be used more sensibly

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Mister_ultra@Mister_ultra

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@DonkeyInvestor I think it's more likely that Christmas and Easter fall on the same day in August before that happens. Classic case of moral hazard - "It's not my money that's being wasted there." I'm sure not a single politician would budget privately the way he does with "public" money. So I'd rather pay lower taxes to curb the waste.

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Artiskon@Artiskon

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Once a year we pack our car full and go out of season high in the north of Denmark and then ab auffe island. da kriegst for under 1,000€ for 2 weeks a fancy cottage including ferry. plus gas money and food, which I would have to buy at home. the result: absolute peace and relaxation. well, it's no longer 20 degrees and tan also no longer, but it's vacation :) Sure, with family on vacation we could not go on vacation - that is indeed priceless.

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ObiObi@ObiObi

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@Artiskon I feel Denmark unfortunately not as a vacation, is actually no different than here in the countryside

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Artiskon@Artiskon

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@ObiObi We are always on the island of Læsø, there you have your peace - even in high season, simply because on the almost surrounding beach and in the nature everything runs. We also feel the Danes as much nicer and more relaxed than the Germans.

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Anilo@Anilo

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Germany has been slipping downward for years. Wake up, invest accordingly and possibly buy an apartment abroad.

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Lagunero@lagunero

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@Anilo , where?

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Felix@Investor_in_Jogginghose

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What do people also want on vacation? In our country there are social systems that need to be fed! I can only recommend everyone to try to draw citizen's money or to be dismissed and to draw alg1 for 1 year. Every 2 years of course.

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Tim S.@TimundStruppi

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@MiIliardenmehling and how do I get my 120 k annual salary with Bürgergeld or ALG1? 🤦

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j@Volka_Racho

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It's all downhill... I fear that travel will soon no longer be possible - at least as you know it. CO2 balance, CO2 taxes... where will this lead?

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Dominik-@Dominik-

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@5julian5 prices used to be much higher. Then came travel consumption with the low-cost corporations. A fair price per trip would be a start for a more sustainable world. After all, our grandchildren should still be able to visit other countries.

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Peter@Twinkypiet

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Serious question. Are you all just too stupid to book cheap vacations or do you just not want and prefer to be able to complain? And yes I can obviously do better. I fly 5 times a year on vacation and who pays more than 700 € / p.p. it has also simply not better earned. 5 stars all inclusive excluded.

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Staatsmann@Staatsmann

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@Twinkypiet You can get 4* and all inclusive for 800€, if you want.

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Maxi@mhu

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Doesn't the election program say that the CO2 tax should be returned to the citizens as a "climate dividend"? But so far we have not heard a word about it 😂.

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Thoranos@Thoranos

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@MaxiHupp Lindner has rowed back, it will not be paid out. I'm not surprised.

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Executer@Executer

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@Thoranos what, the holy FDP has lied here again? But I think the Greens are to blame for everything... 😢

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Maxi@mhu

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@Executer The Greens also had this in their election program, don't worry 😂😂

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Dominik-@Dominik-

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@MaxiHupp because the Germans (99%) would not understand the word dividend 😀

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Armin@noX

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Strictly speaking, people can not afford to travel. You can still have a vacation and relax. Travel is not a basic right and vacation is an employee right.

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MaikelKnight@MaikelKnight

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We wanted to catch up with another family a vacation that fell in 2020 because of Corona in the water. 9 days Malle in an AI hotel TUI Kids. AI is not really my cup of tea, but well, for the family you take that times. Check for 2024, 2 adults, 2 kids, flight from Zurich (we live in Leipzig) ... 6400€ Sorry, but No! Now it's a camper vacation for half and I'm happier because I had so and so no Bock on concrete bunker AI. BTW, what is really bad are the raised prices as soon as the kids have vacations. That already comes close to the hotel prices around the Olympic Stadium in Munich, when Taylor Swift gives her concert. 😂

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Felix@Investor_in_Jogginghose

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Then I would recommend you to earn more so that you get to 120k with alg1. Only then you want to get to 200k. You run in the golden hamster wheel.

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Name M.@userc818a6f2df6247c9

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Do not have children.... but have now looked at where I can fly with 3 children and wife, full board and everything transfers for 12 days. For 2300 euros, one child 6, two children over 14 years. Therefore I say times: who it goes around 2300 euro and not around 7000 euro... that are then ah nevertheless 191Euro in the month....but still ridiculous compared to me, where the tax office per month 2500 tax prepayment as single but Selbststänig debits. And that makes the tax office also, ifs times not well runs. The person at the tax office advised me once, when I did not have the 2500 tax prepayment: "nehmens halt nen Kredit auf".... urlaub kann ich halt verschieben. My monthly tax prepayment unfortunately not.

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Lukas D.@lukasdinvestiert

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what a nonsense - the 4 or 5 cents more per liter of gasoline/diesel won't make any difference. it would be smart to refund the additional revenue with a "climate bonus" like in austria. that way, most people will get off positively anyway - or to lower the income tax.

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Tom@FresherAlman

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For this I treat myself to 2 more vacations 😂

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Hildegaard@Hildegaard

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Hmm, the question is rather what standard I perceive as a vacation. 1 week Denmark in Sheltern to 5. costs were like a week at home. On the other hand, the capitalist system should already allow a standard vacation. Rather taxes up and vacation possibilities for all create...

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Wolli@Wehyernese

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It's just a really low-wage country with an extreme tax burden. That's still a good rate.

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DividendenRambo@DividendenRambo

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The Greens like it.

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Sascha1998@Sascha1998

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Good that I'm on vacation this year twice in Egypt and once in Switzerland 😄 a total of almost 4 weeks in total 🙈

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Thomas@Syralist

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Maybe employers should just pay fair salaries. 🤷‍♂️

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Dominik-@Dominik-

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We don't need tax cuts if the world is going to collapse even more. We finally need all the people who do not constantly post here against climate protection but are committed to it.

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Dominik-@Dominik-

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I find it strange that the CO2 tax is still not levied on the fuel prices. Slowly, they could now put the prices back above 2 €. The CO2 tax continues to rise anyway. So what is the state waiting for? The crash landing for the citizens only gets harder the longer you wait.

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Stephan Plewka@Brebear

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Nothing new! There is always a small part of the population that can not afford (expensive) vacation or want... there are many people who simply can not handle money....

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investing_niffler@investing_niffler

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This is much due to the government not thinking about the welfare of citizens. Of course, the handling of finances also plays a big role, which many can not.

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Cäptain Price@RicePrice

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Vll should use the people times a VPN and so times book flights 😉. Since you can save up to 500 € and use booking instead of TUI and Co 😂.

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