Maybe it's simply because people don't know how to handle money? 🤷🏼♂️ Moreover, vacation is not a basic right and is actually a luxury expense.
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@Staatsmann I don't want to attack you personally. It's far from my mind. But you can't be in the situation that you have 2 to 3 children and an average income. Otherwise you would not make such an unqualified statement. This is pure mockery on your part and disrespectful. Just be happy that you get enough money.
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@Staatsmann incredibly arrogant comment. Families with 2 children on vacation, you are even for Austria in a reasonable hotel Locker 5,000 euros loose, if it is enough at all. And there are very very very many people in Germany for the extremely much money is, more money than they can save in the year at all. And that's not because they can't handle money but because they don't belong to the privileged people for whom these amounts are no problem. Such comments like yours I find simply detached and out of touch with reality sorry💁
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@Staatsmann *are used to a standard of living that Germany can no longer maintain for long. Vacation on another continent/ in another country is not a basic right, general outside the hometown imo should be in it
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•@MaCF @TimundStruppi
Not arrogant or pretentious, but I see it pretty well in my environment: 2 incomes that are definitely not average, but above, but can restrain their consumption so little that no vacation is in it. 6x a month go out to eat, but can not put money aside to finance a family vacation.
They'd rather lease an oversized car every month than get a cheap used compact car. These are also the people who say they can't afford a vacation in surveys. (My income is good, but there's no talk of "rich" or "wealthy" there either. I also consider several times, whether I afford an expense or not.) But that it is because the priorities are set wrong, is not captured by such surveys. Who reads along here something knows that I always have a heart for people with low income and also grew up myself anything but with the golden spoon. There was more often the decision: pay electricity or buy food. And there you also have to ask: What counted in this survey as a vacation?
2 weeks Monaco 5 stars? The long weekend in the Harz? 10 days Turkey all Inclusive? But the contribution aimed only at the drooling people on "the evil policy" to swear. Otherwise, the survey would be directly linked. If you look at the results at the mirror, it looks anything but bleak. We are among the top 10 European countries with the lowest rate of "Can not afford a vacation." In the survey is primarily not differentiated families or singles. Only in the headline it is pointed out. The EU average is 28.5% and Germany 21.9%. So we are a whole end better than the average. The question was whether one can afford a week (7 days vacation). There were no further restrictions according to budget, destination, distance etc. So we end up exactly with what I had mentioned: absolutely thin data, since vacation ≠ vacation.
For me, 10 days on the beach in Turkey or Bulgaria in late summer for €850 all inclusive is quite enough. For others, something like that is not a vacation and they just want to go on a 7-day ski vacation, which has completely different costs. The ideas are as different as the life models. https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/urlaub-jeder-fuenfte-deutsche-kann-sich-keine-ganze-woche-leisten-a-c3f76ea2-eb26-4823-8d56-8136e8cf3259
Not arrogant or pretentious, but I see it pretty well in my environment: 2 incomes that are definitely not average, but above, but can restrain their consumption so little that no vacation is in it. 6x a month go out to eat, but can not put money aside to finance a family vacation.
They'd rather lease an oversized car every month than get a cheap used compact car. These are also the people who say they can't afford a vacation in surveys. (My income is good, but there's no talk of "rich" or "wealthy" there either. I also consider several times, whether I afford an expense or not.) But that it is because the priorities are set wrong, is not captured by such surveys. Who reads along here something knows that I always have a heart for people with low income and also grew up myself anything but with the golden spoon. There was more often the decision: pay electricity or buy food. And there you also have to ask: What counted in this survey as a vacation?
2 weeks Monaco 5 stars? The long weekend in the Harz? 10 days Turkey all Inclusive? But the contribution aimed only at the drooling people on "the evil policy" to swear. Otherwise, the survey would be directly linked. If you look at the results at the mirror, it looks anything but bleak. We are among the top 10 European countries with the lowest rate of "Can not afford a vacation." In the survey is primarily not differentiated families or singles. Only in the headline it is pointed out. The EU average is 28.5% and Germany 21.9%. So we are a whole end better than the average. The question was whether one can afford a week (7 days vacation). There were no further restrictions according to budget, destination, distance etc. So we end up exactly with what I had mentioned: absolutely thin data, since vacation ≠ vacation.
For me, 10 days on the beach in Turkey or Bulgaria in late summer for €850 all inclusive is quite enough. For others, something like that is not a vacation and they just want to go on a 7-day ski vacation, which has completely different costs. The ideas are as different as the life models. https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/urlaub-jeder-fuenfte-deutsche-kann-sich-keine-ganze-woche-leisten-a-c3f76ea2-eb26-4823-8d56-8136e8cf3259
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•@leveragegrinding But the survey didn't ask about the "where" at all. Relationship status, children and whether you can afford it. I can't read any more info from the Spiegel article.
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@Staatsmann is called with us "live above the means" but as you already say many see the expensive vacation as their right and one always wants to keep / improve his standard of living and not back off. As a child I knew just because of the financial situation no vacation at all. Of course I can understand the frustration, but the only solution in the situation is to cut back or change the life situation (job change / salary increase).
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@TimundStruppi Your comment is just as out of touch with reality. I do not know what you book for hotels. But for 5000€ I can easily make a whole month on Lake Garda vacation for four and there are the expenses for fuel, tolls and food with it.
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•@0xBerndBuffet with 2 children in the summer vacations? Since I like to take a hotel recommendation if you have one. 3 days over Whitsun in Austria in the family hotel would have cost 1,000 euros without meals 😅 Of course not booked because I belong to those they can not afford or want to
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@Staatsmann Thank you for your explanation, all points are understandable. But I wouldn't draw conclusions from my acquaintances about the rest of Germany. Just where the money is loose sitz a lot is spent senselessly. I think this survey is aimed at people who do not earn more than the average. And there I get, although only at work and in the circle of acquaintances, with the many who were always on vacation this year do not go. Because too expensive or by the other increased costs of daily life is simply no longer enough over
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@TimundStruppi If you absolutely need a family hotel. I prefer a bungalow on the campsite. It has a pool and several playgrounds for the children. With 4 weeks (also in the vacations) you are about 3k for the bungalow i.e. you would still have 2k budget. The only thing is you have to book at the beginning of the year. https://campingzoo.it/de/unterkunfte/mobilheime/alpha-haus/
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