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@Staatsmann incredibly arrogant comment. Families with 2 children on vacation, you are even for Austria in a reasonable hotel Locker 5,000 euros loose, if it is enough at all. And there are very very very many people in Germany for the extremely much money is, more money than they can save in the year at all. And that's not because they can't handle money but because they don't belong to the privileged people for whom these amounts are no problem. Such comments like yours I find simply detached and out of touch with reality sorry💁

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Moritz@leveragegrinding

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@Staatsmann *are used to a standard of living that Germany can no longer maintain for long. Vacation on another continent/ in another country is not a basic right, general outside the hometown imo should be in it

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@MaCF @TimundStruppi
Not arrogant or pretentious, but I see it pretty well in my environment: 2 incomes that are definitely not average, but above, but can restrain their consumption so little that no vacation is in it. 6x a month go out to eat, but can not put money aside to finance a family vacation.
They'd rather lease an oversized car every month than get a cheap used compact car. These are also the people who say they can't afford a vacation in surveys. (My income is good, but there's no talk of "rich" or "wealthy" there either. I also consider several times, whether I afford an expense or not.) But that it is because the priorities are set wrong, is not captured by such surveys. Who reads along here something knows that I always have a heart for people with low income and also grew up myself anything but with the golden spoon. There was more often the decision: pay electricity or buy food. And there you also have to ask: What counted in this survey as a vacation?
2 weeks Monaco 5 stars? The long weekend in the Harz? 10 days Turkey all Inclusive? But the contribution aimed only at the drooling people on "the evil policy" to swear. Otherwise, the survey would be directly linked. If you look at the results at the mirror, it looks anything but bleak. We are among the top 10 European countries with the lowest rate of "Can not afford a vacation." In the survey is primarily not differentiated families or singles. Only in the headline it is pointed out. The EU average is 28.5% and Germany 21.9%. So we are a whole end better than the average. The question was whether one can afford a week (7 days vacation). There were no further restrictions according to budget, destination, distance etc. So we end up exactly with what I had mentioned: absolutely thin data, since vacation ≠ vacation.

For me, 10 days on the beach in Turkey or Bulgaria in late summer for €850 all inclusive is quite enough. For others, something like that is not a vacation and they just want to go on a 7-day ski vacation, which has completely different costs. The ideas are as different as the life models. https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/urlaub-jeder-fuenfte-deutsche-kann-sich-keine-ganze-woche-leisten-a-c3f76ea2-eb26-4823-8d56-8136e8cf3259

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0xBerndBuffet@0xBerndBuffet

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@leveragegrinding But the survey didn't ask about the "where" at all. Relationship status, children and whether you can afford it. I can't read any more info from the Spiegel article.

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Manuel@Variett

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@Staatsmann is called with us "live above the means" but as you already say many see the expensive vacation as their right and one always wants to keep / improve his standard of living and not back off. As a child I knew just because of the financial situation no vacation at all. Of course I can understand the frustration, but the only solution in the situation is to cut back or change the life situation (job change / salary increase).

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@TimundStruppi Your comment is just as out of touch with reality. I do not know what you book for hotels. But for 5000€ I can easily make a whole month on Lake Garda vacation for four and there are the expenses for fuel, tolls and food with it.

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@0xBerndBuffet with 2 children in the summer vacations? Since I like to take a hotel recommendation if you have one. 3 days over Whitsun in Austria in the family hotel would have cost 1,000 euros without meals 😅 Of course not booked because I belong to those they can not afford or want to

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0xBerndBuffet@0xBerndBuffet

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@Staatsmann Thank you for your explanation, all points are understandable. But I wouldn't draw conclusions from my acquaintances about the rest of Germany. Just where the money is loose sitz a lot is spent senselessly. I think this survey is aimed at people who do not earn more than the average. And there I get, although only at work and in the circle of acquaintances, with the many who were always on vacation this year do not go. Because too expensive or by the other increased costs of daily life is simply no longer enough over

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@TimundStruppi If you absolutely need a family hotel. I prefer a bungalow on the campsite. It has a pool and several playgrounds for the children. With 4 weeks (also in the vacations) you are about 3k for the bungalow i.e. you would still have 2k budget. The only thing is you have to book at the beginning of the year. https://campingzoo.it/de/unterkunfte/mobilheime/alpha-haus/

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Herumarq@Herumarq

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I agree somewhat with @Staatsmann. Many really can not handle their money. Am myself a family man and earn not degree much. Nevertheless, the money is enough for everything. Although no Dubai travel for 10 000 euros but still 2-4 vacations a year are inside. Set priorities and do not cause waste. See it myself in my circle of friends. In return, they smoke a pack for 10 euros a day and finance their cars for 600 euros a month. This is just my personal opinion and everyone should live as happy as he wants to.

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devnerd_daddy@devnerd_daddy

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That is populist nonsense. We are talking about people with low incomes. Let's take a family that earns 3500€ gross together. So a call center job plus part-time something similar. They have two children and thus pay (according to the calculator) 172€ in taxes. So now tell me, how far you want to lower the tax, so that there is much more around? And then you have to look at this survey: "according to own information". Means it was not evaluated objectively, but one asked for feeling. I made a week's vacation in France a month ago, with 3 children. The cottage has cost me including cleaning, etc. just 520 €. If you now buy food yourself, then the costs are more or less like eating at home, so hardly makes a difference. My parents did not have much money during my childhood and since we have just made exactly the same vacation. There was then just no restaurant, no 1000 ice cream, etc., but we were away and it was fun. Sure, we never flew, but that was just the way it was. Today I earn a "few" Ocken more and then just goes activity until the doctor comes, but do I have to do that? I think not.

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devnerd_daddy@devnerd_daddy

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@Xantia I'm honestly totally thrilled that it's not dripping with neoliberalism here on GQ, but that so many people are responsibly caring for their future without losing sight of social aspects. That really gives me back a little faith in humanity every day. Sounds like a lot, but it's true 🥰

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Joris@Joris

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Well if I have to pay as a family of 4 (children 2 and 3 next year) for 14 days over 7,000 € for Europe it is already critical. Not the question with me whether you can afford it but whether you want to pay that. Is all inclusive, but still become expensive

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Cekay@CMustermann

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@Joris However, I strongly assume that such surveys filter by "can I afford it but just don't want it" or "I just can't afford it".

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Dennis@GordonGekko83

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@Joris this is what it looks like! At some point it's enough! With us it goes again direction individual vacation! Do not see it 7 bills for 14 days Greece and co spend.

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@CMustermann And besides, the standards for vacations are extremely different and are rarely set in such surveys. For some, 10 days on the island of Rügen can only be categorized as an "extended weekend getaway", and these people then say "Yes, I couldn't afford a vacation" and for others, 4 days in the Harz mountains count as a family vacation. Depending on their personal situation, that is.

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@Joris Where do you want to go on vacation if it's 7k€? 🙈 I would tend to guess at the price on Canary Islands.😅

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Joris@Joris

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@Staatsmann that was now Rhodes 😅 Mallorca were also partly such prices. Must also say probably have to fly in the summer vacations. Have times at the beginning of May Rhodes looked is one still at 3700€. And that for May.

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Dennis@GordonGekko83

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@Staatsmann laugh. Have probably longer not looked for vacation?! Has everything become so expensive (5Köpfe), except Turkey, but to the dictator carry me no 5 horses or were that 10?!🤔

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@GordonGekko83 But, only 1-2 weeks ago. 😅 Fortunately but outside the vacations and only for 2. The thing for 4 comes only yet 😕 Bulgaria with 4/5 star all inclusive per P. scarce 800€ incl. Kinderbespaßung. 😅 Has my cousin last booked for the family. Mid-August then.

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Pope Donkey XXI@DonkeyInvestor

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@Joris But Greece has become extremely expensive! 5 or 6 years ago I was on Crete and you paid over 1000€ for adults.

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Souli@Souli1984

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@Joris You have to compare a lot. Am now with the kids also 2 weeks on Mallorca for 4000 euros. 2 super hotels but only half pension. For best flights and lots of entertainment for the kids and what was important to me separate bedrooms.

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Diana Diana@Diana1975

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@Joris 14 days Italy with 4 people... 2000€ accommodation plus food and activities (we also have to eat at home) it will be approx. 3500€.

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Taxes down not necessarily. Taxes should rather be used more sensibly

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Mister_ultra@Mister_ultra

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@DonkeyInvestor I think it's more likely that Christmas and Easter fall on the same day in August before that happens. Classic case of moral hazard - "It's not my money that's being wasted there." I'm sure not a single politician would budget privately the way he does with "public" money. So I'd rather pay lower taxes to curb the waste.

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Artiskon@Artiskon

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Once a year we pack our car full and go out of season high in the north of Denmark and then ab auffe island. da kriegst for under 1,000€ for 2 weeks a fancy cottage including ferry. plus gas money and food, which I would have to buy at home. the result: absolute peace and relaxation. well, it's no longer 20 degrees and tan also no longer, but it's vacation :) Sure, with family on vacation we could not go on vacation - that is indeed priceless.

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ObiObi@ObiObi

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@Artiskon I feel Denmark unfortunately not as a vacation, is actually no different than here in the countryside

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Artiskon@Artiskon

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@ObiObi We are always on the island of Læsø, there you have your peace - even in high season, simply because on the almost surrounding beach and in the nature everything runs. We also feel the Danes as much nicer and more relaxed than the Germans.

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Anilo@Anilo

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Germany has been slipping downward for years. Wake up, invest accordingly and possibly buy an apartment abroad.

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Lagunero@lagunero

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@Anilo , where?

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Felix@Investor_in_Jogginghose

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What do people also want on vacation? In our country there are social systems that need to be fed! I can only recommend everyone to try to draw citizen's money or to be dismissed and to draw alg1 for 1 year. Every 2 years of course.

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@MiIliardenmehling and how do I get my 120 k annual salary with Bürgergeld or ALG1? 🤦

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j@Volka_Racho

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It's all downhill... I fear that travel will soon no longer be possible - at least as you know it. CO2 balance, CO2 taxes... where will this lead?

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@5julian5 prices used to be much higher. Then came travel consumption with the low-cost corporations. A fair price per trip would be a start for a more sustainable world. After all, our grandchildren should still be able to visit other countries.

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Peter@Twinkypiet

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Serious question. Are you all just too stupid to book cheap vacations or do you just not want and prefer to be able to complain? And yes I can obviously do better. I fly 5 times a year on vacation and who pays more than 700 € / p.p. it has also simply not better earned. 5 stars all inclusive excluded.

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@Twinkypiet You can get 4* and all inclusive for 800€, if you want.

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Maxi@mhu

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Doesn't the election program say that the CO2 tax should be returned to the citizens as a "climate dividend"? But so far we have not heard a word about it 😂.

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Thoranos@Thoranos

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@MaxiHupp Lindner has rowed back, it will not be paid out. I'm not surprised.

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Executer@Executer

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@Thoranos what, the holy FDP has lied here again? But I think the Greens are to blame for everything... 😢

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Maxi@mhu

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@Executer The Greens also had this in their election program, don't worry 😂😂

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MaikelKnight@MaikelKnight

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@MaxiHupp because the Germans (99%) would not understand the word dividend 😀

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Armin@noX

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Strictly speaking, people can not afford to travel. You can still have a vacation and relax. Travel is not a basic right and vacation is an employee right.

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We wanted to catch up with another family a vacation that fell in 2020 because of Corona in the water. 9 days Malle in an AI hotel TUI Kids. AI is not really my cup of tea, but well, for the family you take that times. Check for 2024, 2 adults, 2 kids, flight from Zurich (we live in Leipzig) ... 6400€ Sorry, but No! Now it's a camper vacation for half and I'm happier because I had so and so no Bock on concrete bunker AI. BTW, what is really bad are the raised prices as soon as the kids have vacations. That already comes close to the hotel prices around the Olympic Stadium in Munich, when Taylor Swift gives her concert. 😂

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Felix@Investor_in_Jogginghose

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Then I would recommend you to earn more so that you get to 120k with alg1. Only then you want to get to 200k. You run in the golden hamster wheel.

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Name M.@userc818a6f2df6247c9

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Do not have children.... but have now looked at where I can fly with 3 children and wife, full board and everything transfers for 12 days. For 2300 euros, one child 6, two children over 14 years. Therefore I say times: who it goes around 2300 euro and not around 7000 euro... that are then ah nevertheless 191Euro in the month....but still ridiculous compared to me, where the tax office per month 2500 tax prepayment as single but Selbststänig debits. And that makes the tax office also, ifs times not well runs. The person at the tax office advised me once, when I did not have the 2500 tax prepayment: "nehmens halt nen Kredit auf".... urlaub kann ich halt verschieben. My monthly tax prepayment unfortunately not.

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Lukas D.@lukasdinvestiert

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what a nonsense - the 4 or 5 cents more per liter of gasoline/diesel won't make any difference. it would be smart to refund the additional revenue with a "climate bonus" like in austria. that way, most people will get off positively anyway - or to lower the income tax.

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Tom@FresherAlman

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For this I treat myself to 2 more vacations 😂

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Hildegaard@Hildegaard

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Hmm, the question is rather what standard I perceive as a vacation. 1 week Denmark in Sheltern to 5. costs were like a week at home. On the other hand, the capitalist system should already allow a standard vacation. Rather taxes up and vacation possibilities for all create...

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Wolli@Wehyernese

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It's just a really low-wage country with an extreme tax burden. That's still a good rate.

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DividendenRambo@DividendenRambo

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The Greens like it.

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Sascha1998@Sascha1998

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Good that I'm on vacation this year twice in Egypt and once in Switzerland 😄 a total of almost 4 weeks in total 🙈

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Thomas@Syralist

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Maybe employers should just pay fair salaries. 🤷‍♂️

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We don't need tax cuts if the world is going to collapse even more. We finally need all the people who do not constantly post here against climate protection but are committed to it.

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