1Yr·

After MSC, second purchase in NATO defense companies. The FoD ETF is not exactly a dream ETF in terms of cost and size, but it is currently the best available. Target investment 10.000 €.

19.02

HanETF Future of Defence ETF

Bought x450 at €9.442

€4,248.90

17 Comments

Smudo@Smudeo

1Yr

Is there an overview of which positions are included? @RIR119

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Ronald@AlterMann

1Yr

@Smudeo simply type in the ISIN at Finanzen.net... 😉

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Global I.@gloinvest

1Yr

@Smudeo https://www.hanetf.com/product/52/fund/future-of-defence-ucits-etf-acc

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Gerit@Gerit

1Yr

@Smudeo Can recommend Marketscreener, they are all listed there 👍

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Ronald@AlterMann

1Yr

Why didn't you pick out some individual values?

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Global I.@gloinvest

1Yr

@AlterMann I have: $RHM $RTX $HAG $RYTT34 MTU $LMTB34 - there is about 50% in the ETF that I would not buy individually. Software, cyber defense, etc.

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Ronald@AlterMann

1Yr

@RIR119 Exactly. Many ETFs also contain stocks that you don't want...

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Global I.@gloinvest

1Yr

@AlterMann is not a given for me in this case. The vola would be too high for me as an individual stock - collateral is ok for me. The real problem is that Krauss Maffei is not public.

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Raymon@BlackWolf180

1Yr

I bought one the other day :)

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Rasta@portfolio_genius_234

1Yr

I also bought this a few days ago =)
Couldn't decide between Vaneck and hanetf at first.
Then decided in favor of hanetf, because I was convinced by the European defense stocks like BAE, RHM, and Thales.
It is strange that you can find different information about the allocation on the websites. For example, Palantir is included on finanzen.net but not listed among the top holdings on onvista.
The position will be expanded in any case.

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Global I.@gloinvest

1Yr

@portfolio_genius_234 The complete list of 50 is currently available on the HanEtf website

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Kill_Baulitz@Johann_van_der_Smut

1Yr

I've been in it for a long time and in Vaneck's too

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Global I.@gloinvest

1Yr

Another consideration, however, is to take a closer look at the machine tool manufacturers that supply KMW and RHM. Here $GILV is at the forefront - but with little free float.

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Andy04@Andy04

1Yr

@RIR119 would prefer to generalize this and focus on the Hypermill CAD/CAM programming product, i.e. the share $MUM - what the respective armaments company uses for production depends on the product.

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Testo-Investor@Testo-Investor

1Yr

I am highly satisfied with vaneck. I have the semiconductor etf! Absolutely terrific

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Gerit@Gerit

1Yr

If the NATO countries add to this over the course of the year and the 13 missing countries reach 2%, there should still be something in it, I looked at a few presentations today, the order books are full to bursting...

But it's difficult to assess what would be appropriate in terms of valuation...

Everything up to 2027 should be priced in by now, right?

Are you also valuing the individual companies or the overall picture?

What's going on with something like RTX & LHM? 😅

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Global I.@gloinvest

1Yr

@Gerit My assessment is that with regard to BW, 2% GDP is sufficient at most to maintain the target size. Any form of increase in quantity and capabilities is beyond 2%. IMHO, for the BW, as the core of NATO's European armed forces, I am thinking more along the lines of 3.5% (possibly in the form of special funds under the Basic Law), i.e. 2+1.5. Nobody dares to say it yet. However, this will only take effect from 2027 - i.e. after the current special assets and the next Bundestag elections. It's difficult to understand an army from the inside if you haven't been or are not part of it. The population simply does not realize that each Puma of a PzGrenBtl is not procured once, but 4 times. 1 time operational - 3 times in spare parts. And not when needed, but in stock for the respective maintenance. IMHO, all funds saved over the last 20 years must be made up in full. Completely. Incredible, predictable cash flows.

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