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High dividend, low Rendite🤷‍♂️


For many, the dividend is one of the main reasons why they invest in a company. To make it really worthwhile, they should have a high and preferably constant dividend yield.


In my view, the potential total return is far too rarely taken into account. There is no other explanation for the numerous investments in companies like BASF. They have always underperformed the S&P and there is no reason why this should change soll🤷‍♂️


If you want to have some additional security and diversification you choose an ETF.


Where this can lead you can see well in the picture. The global X SuperDividend has the goal to find the companies with the highest dividend yield and to invest in them.


Since 2011, unfortunately, exactly these companies have constantly underperformed the market, while the dividends have increased. After 11 years one is out with +/- 0. At the same time the MSCI World has doubled. 😅


However, the chart does not include taxes on dividends. In such a case, the return might even be negative.


what does it mean now?

Of course, you can't lump all companies together, but I maintain that most companies that have a high dividend can attribute this to share price losses. These in turn result from operational problems or poor prospects for the future.🥲



source: C.W Röhl


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Someone must have subscribed to Christian W. Röhl 👌🤭
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@tommycash sure 🤷‍♂️ haven't seen his video on this, but the graphic underlines what I've always assumed 😅
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He posted the graphic 1:1 in his IG story today, could mention his blog/channel for the sake of completeness.👍
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@tommycash don't have an Instagram, but have mentioned him
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@DollarDon All good, don't feel attacked 😁 Just think it's appropriate to mark "intellectual property", doesn't detract from the added value of your contribution 🤝
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Maybe I don't understand the chart, but I don't see any comparison to the MSCI World there. Regardless, it depends on the strategy. Few people can beat the market anyway. It sounds nice to shout that you can't beat the market with dividend stocks. But this is only half the truth. There are periods in which you can beat the market. Regardless of that: my goal is to build up a steady cash flow. Of course, I personally make sure that the value of the company at least runs sideways. Yes, you pay taxes on the dividend and yes, that reduces the return. If my growth company doesn't pay a dividend, then I save up for 30 years and then my company goes bust or makes a loss, blah, blah, blah, whatever. So my pension is "gone", no matter what happened before. I also focus on the pension. I calculate around how much money I can take out from when so I'm taken care of until 89 (hopefully I won't be 102). Or I shift into dividend stocks and just pay the tax then. And have the expense, etc. Pp. I, as an early 30 year old still go for dividends. Why do I do that? To be as flexible as possible. I can reinvest the dividends, but I can also pay myself a vacation without effectively going to my assets. I could lease a car, which is paid by dividends or or or. So I effectively already have something from it (for example my McDonalds McMenu at Christmas, sponsored at McDonalds itself). In addition, I can bequeath the thing and my heirs do not have to worry about anything, they do not even have to have the slightest idea about the stock market. Just leave it and continue to just get money all the time. They could pass that on, etc. (assuming all companies would exist forever (regardless of value)) So I don't see a zero-sum game here at all. I don't care where the company stands as long as I get my dividend. (Of course, I'm still happy to take the increase in the share price with me).
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@DividendenWaschbaer You speak from my soul
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I think BASF is a bad example,
It's just a cyclical stock, which you should know as a dividend investor.
What counts here is when you buy.

And your ETF shown is really garbage 😅
The performance of "normal" dividend ETFs is quite different.
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Very nice contribution! I keep thinking the same thing myself. In the beginning, I paid zero attention to this myself and just wanted to generate the highest possible dividends. But then at some point I had to clean up my portfolio :D
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That's why a $KO in a core satellite makes no sense at all.
I'm still learning, but that's exactly what I've seen a few times... or when making investment decisions. A CocaCola will certainly not beat the market over the next few years. If you already own a world ETF as a core, such defensive dividend stocks don't add any value. This is just a living example of your performances
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@Fabzy That depends on the size of your custody account! If you have 100k in your custody account and your ETF has fees of 0.2%, you will have a 0.2% lower return at the end of the year (there are 200 euros in costs).

A Coca Cola share has no ongoing fees. If your custody account has 500k, you are already at 1,000 euros per year, which increases over the year due to the (missing) compound interest effect.

Yes, with a small portfolio it makes no difference, the larger your portfolio gets, the more exciting (free) individual shares become
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@Fabzy Stocks like KO are defensive stocks that you buy to bring stability to your portfolio.
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@Paketknecht THANK YOU.
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@Paketknecht But if the core consisting of World ETFs takes over the task of stability in a core satellite, there is no longer any need for a single Coke share 🤷‍♂️
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@Fabzy The MSCI World is more volatile than Coca Cola, Pepsico or Colgate Palmolive, as you can easily see from the beta value. And the super dividend etf we are talking about here does not include the stocks mentioned, it is about very high dividends with dividend yields of 2 digits in some cases, the etf has a dividend yield of just under 18%.
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I basically agree with you, but if you cash out after decades, you also pay very high taxes on your capital gains, so a few distributing shares (preferably a distributing ETF, of course) also make sense in order to utilize the annual tax-free allowance so that you don't end up booking such high capital gains.
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Finally someone says it! The dividend is deducted from the share price anyway.
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I didn't say that either.
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But you forget that some investors don't care about the total return but want to live off their dividends and don't want to liquidate in the end...
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@Ayecaramba256 you would also end up paying less tax
I hold a small position in the Super X Dividend. This is a very special ETF which, according to my latest information, can no longer be bought in Germany. This special ETF has nothing to do with dividend ETFs in general...
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How many death threats did you receive after you published this post?
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@SquirtGame Unfortunately, you really have to be careful😅
@SquirtGame don't they come from Tezzler fans and growth Heinis?
If you take the crappiest ETF as a comparison...
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@Watzeklicker So you invest from year to year and not in the long term?
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@Watzeklicker none. Who cares about one year's performance?
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@Watzeklicker There are also those and those who pay attention to DIVI growth and good key figures normally perform better than, for example, Global X, which pays attention to high dividends...
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@Watzeklicker The magic word(s) here is/are: This year.
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@Watzeklicker then take out the ETFs with very high dividends that have performed better over 10 years 🙂
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