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Lately I see it in one or the other place that quite sometimes comments or posts are written in a condescending tone. Is perhaps due to the current market situation, the red depots and our increasingly blunted emotions by the stock market. How does love feel again? 😐


I see here sometimes from individuals that strategies or investment decisions are absolutely put down. And don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of constructive criticism, open exchange and honesty too. You don't have to approve or understand every decision, I don't expect you to.


What I'm trying to say is that the stock market is not black and white. We are all such different people with different goals and views.


For example, 80% of my capital is in a conservative, boring All World ETF and yet I once blew some money on an Nvidia lever and maybe....maybe it won't be the last time 😶 I've been stocking my ETFs for several years and would like to hold them for many decades to come and yet I threw out one of my individual stocks at a loss (only had to sell my kidney for it to get by financially. Donor kidney reflink in my bio). I look at stocks from a fundamental point of view and still try to learn chart analysis on top (quote. @leveragegrinding : "Can you actually read numbers????"). You can't pigeonhole any of us.


Of course, the stock market is a place where most of us want to build wealth over the long term. But for me and for many of you - I think - the stock market is additionally a hobby and hobbies are supposed to be fun. That means that you can try things out, change your mind, learn a lot of new things, make a mistake or two and then have to bear the consequences. We are adults and can cope with that. Only by making your own experiences can you find what suits you personally and what makes you happy in the long term.


I think we all know what the statistics look like regarding outperformance of the market. But I would say that only a few of us will follow such a classical strategy all our lives or always act rationally. So why to plead for certain principles, if they do not correspond to the image of the normal investor anyway? Where do I get the right to judge or target a person if I know nothing about their risk tolerance, their preferences, their financial situation, their age or their thoughts? Why do I have to immediately badmouth something if it doesn't fit into my own world view?


I agree that it is important to teach certain basics, as well as do's and don'ts, especially to newcomers to the stock market. Of course, you can also raise your finger and criticize certain behaviors that are rather counterproductive on the stock market ( @TheAccountant89 you're doing a good job, I understand you completely 😉 ). Nevertheless, I sometimes wish for more tolerance here. Just because someone pursues a different strategy than you or makes a decision that you would not make so yourself, it does not mean that you have to make them directly madig, the person itself must insult or must present itself as something better. Criticism is, as I said, perfectly fine, as long as it is expressed appropriately. And even sarcasm or jibes I see there relaxed, you have to take sometimes with humor. I'm not even about the expression itself (I hold out something, do not worry 🤡) but to be more open and more relaxed with other approaches ("How you do no Buy & Hold / sell your ETF / change your mind???"👀).


We are all in the same boat after all and somehow just want to make money or make more out of it. So let's just let people do what they want with their money without getting half a collapse right away. In 30 years we will drink a mojito together on our yacht or something. I'll buy you a drink.

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Who has already bought an Nvidia lever? before someone else does and since this is now a popular sport. @ccf
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@leveragegrinding of the Doofie :D
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@leveragegrinding yes duuuu and you fucked him up :P
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@Lorena @getquin Uh ne? Nici has chosen the lever, he is to blame
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@leveragegrinding oh because of you my Nvidia short came up ? Thanks again !
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@getquin So because of you guys my nvidia stonks are down.... thanks for nothing 😭
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@getquin And once again we are in the same boat. Great 🌚
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Plead guilty and vow to do better! 🙏🏻
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@svenleowe even if the 100% Tesla Posi triggers me, you were not the reason for the post :D but I appreciate it
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@svenleowe i also apologize for my language under your post the other day🤝
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Beep beep beep we love each other (almost) all
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... and I notice again positively that you ask in many posts of newcomers who inquire here what to invest in, which brokers are recommended, etc., first about the strategy, goals, investment horizon, etc. 👍🏻 Personally, by the way, I would still wish in answering the "broker question", not to assume across the board that everyone here comes from Germany (even if it would probably be purely statistically already times more than 80%!). As an Austrian / Swiss or otherwise taxable investor, there are some other conditions that must be considered here, in addition to the pure fee and offer topic.
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@DiviFlow Suck-up
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@DiviFlow Thank you very much. Yes of course you're right, I always start from Germany :)
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@DiviFlow
But if you as a user know that most of the people here are from Germany, it would also be an advantage to provide information in advance. :) It's like in customer service or emergency calls: If you give the other person directly the information that is important and maybe some additional info, then you save yourself queries and get the desired information faster. This behavior should actually be an incentive here, because time = money. 🙃 Otherwise, you are of course right in terms of content, but I wanted to add my two cents here.
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@Staatsmann That's right, I would also like that in principle, but then presupposes with just those newcomers that they have already dealt with the whole thing a little deeper to even know or at least guess that it could probably make a difference, for example, fiscally. Even they read and see everywhere (not only on getquin) also only from the usual suspects. But maybe I'll make a separate post with tips, where you should additionally inform yourself as an Austrian investor in advance and thus hopefully contribute something more active than "only" here in a subordinate clause 🙃
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@DiviFlow Exactly... Taxes are not calculated the same in Switzerland...
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@Lorena for InvestmentMama 💖
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Cuba Libre bitte 🍹@ccf
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@TheAccountant89 I was 4 minutes faster I have to find something so that I feel good😥
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@leveragegrinding yes, first had to think 4 min what I want to drink on the yacht.
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@getquin No, actually I wanted to toast my victory with it. Shameful laughter included
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@getquin just as 🤡
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@getquin oh, and who are the people next to it? The dissmob will be full then. Then please with Cuba but without @getquin on the yacht (also because of underperformance).
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@getquin no idea! My nose is too high to care about other depots, let alone look at them. Aint got time for this. I have to go count my monies again now. It always takes so long and totally stresses me out.
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Feel pressed ❤️
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@Mariee you too :)
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In 10 years you'll find me on the dinghy of the yacht, you could let me down by pulley a few lifestyle drinks 🥴 The condescending tone I have honestly not so mitgekriegt, or I'm just too jaded. I mean in the end it's the cash that someone else puts in or sinks somewhere and you just have to justify to yourself there. Maybe some have too much conviction and then want to talk others into their investment because they have blinders on. Who knows. Just block and that's it. However nice words, but now raise your hands weekend 🌝 @ccf 🚀
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@KapriolenSonne very poetic vllt again @ccf, think that was not written yet
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@KapriolenSonne You have to be able to bear the diss against your Gaylord Depot. Otherwise there's no dinghy.
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@TheAccountant89 You're more handing out than newspaper carriers 💀
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As we had already written: Typical German halt. He does it differently than I do, so it's bad. Best ❤️
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@DiFigiANo exactly :) and now off we go, again in MSW lurken hehe
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@Lorena there the world is still normal 😂
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Nice post. Many thanks for that. Still, a lot of stupid answers. Many think they have the one true strategy and can put everything else down. Just persevere, stay true to your strategy and put down the unbelievers😂.
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In essence, I agree with you :)

But some things, such as the "merciless knocking down of portfolios or strategies", I see here (mostly) very calmly.
I'm probably used to a harsher tone due to the wall street betting on Reddit or completely jaded due to my years of working as a B2C service provider.

Apart from a few posts where old (Reddit) acquaintances have "torn each other apart", things have been pretty civilized so far. (Even when that cannabis spam guy was on here, the comments were relatively harmless).

My impression is sometimes that certain users take a harsh tone in their comments for a reason and this is the impressive learning effect.
Due to the market situation since 2020, an extremely large number of newcomers have entered the stock market who have made easy money in these times without real knowledge. This lack of knowledge is now falling on their feet.
Sometimes it is necessary to use harsh words so that the other party understands that you are not just moving numbers from A to B in Excel, but that you are using your capital and can lose it if you make mistakes.
Here, too, the market situation (in conjunction with YouTube ad millionaires) is partly to blame.

I have the impression that many newcomers are extremely gullible or even naive with their money on the stock market. (Nothing against a little gamble on the side)
I don't mean that they don't make rational and emotional decisions, because I sometimes do that too (🤷🏼‍♂️).

I'm more concerned with the fact that newcomers in particular have to learn quickly that not all hype is useful, not everyone with lots of followers gives good tips and other users, despite harsh words, only want to protect you from mistakes that these users may have already made.

And just pointing a finger in rebuke often doesn't help.

If you're from the days of tiled stoves and fireplaces, you're probably familiar with the saying "Don't touch the hot stove door!", which your grandparents used to repeat all the time.
Well, you heard it and took note of it, but you only learned it when you burned your fingers.
In the past, you might have had a blister and cried.
On the stock market, (a lot of) money is quickly gone and it doesn't just come back after a few weeks of healing...
So you shouldn't take the harsh words of some users here personally, but you should take them into account.

(If I hadn't been so damn arrogant and thought that others on the net only ever want to troll me when it comes to money, I could definitely have spared myself some rivets in my portfolio that are still lying around today and remain there as a memorial).

We all need to stick together and work together instead of against each other!
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@Staatsmann Hey, thanks for the feedback. I completely agree with you. Don't worry, I know the MSW tone of voice, which I also appreciate :D In my private life, I'm also often ironically insulting and know that it's not always to be taken seriously. It's not so much a harsh-sounding comment or similar that bothers me, but rather a certain intolerance that is displayed. If you don't do something the way you would do it yourself (and I'm not talking about gross mistakes here), I've had to read "what are you doing on the stock market" etc. a few times. As I said, it's not even about the language or the tone per se, but rather the lack of a laissez-faire attitude (wow, now I've unpacked the foreign words :D). Just a little less narrow-mindedness and more acceptance of different approaches or strategies. Of course, you can always add your two cents to save people from making a big mistake. It's also important, after all it's about money and you shouldn't dismiss it lightly. But I think we're on the same page, I fully agree with your points. Yay for each other :)
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Thank you for the clear text, I also nominated you @ccf
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Uh yes. 🙃
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tried to swipe right after reading this witty post, but with this stupid app you can't even do that 👻
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nice and important post @Lorena. may paypal now continue to sink😁 @ccf
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Love :) ❤️
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Great writing! I agree exactly!
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Very nicely written and summarized 👌
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It's nice that everyone is now so tolerant at once, but many of the people commenting here freak out when they read the words Tesla or Biontech. 🦍
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Great Lorena, I totally share your opinion, I wish you continued success with your investments. LG, Christian
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A beautifully formulated text on a very important topic. 👍🏻 You were one of the first people to help me with my first steps. I am grateful that there is an open community here and people like you 🖤
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As much as the stock market fascinates me and as many opportunities as I think it can offer, there are many much more important things. These include treating other people with respect! I think it's a real shame when I read negative comments (excluding my own politely formulated opinion and constructive criticism) and insults, it always makes me think and sad!
I think it's great that you're drawing attention to this, thank you! 🤝🥰
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I hab ganic gemakt gaanic
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I agree with these great words 😊
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Oh @Lorena You can apply what you are talking about here to all other areas of our society. Very thoughtful and lovingly written.
Would you marry me 😊😉
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👍Great contribution. Thank you!
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