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The exact entry point IS IMPORTANT to buy at ATH may work in Bull times, but will otherwise blow up in your face!



Since I watch daily exactly the part of my portfolio in the landslide, where I have not yet used TA for the purchase, here is a discussion offer for anyone who supports the first thesis.



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thesis

"If you buy shares for the long term, the income does not play a role.



Basic idea : if I buy a stock at 15$ or 20$, it will be at 200$ in 20 years, the return difference is not so big.

So no matter when you buy the right stocks, the main thing is to buy them?



Counter thesis

No. An unbelievable nonsense to talk up the abandonment of timing. If I buy for the same money at 10$, I logically have 50% more shares than if I would buy at 15$.


Example:


I buy shares for 300€.

Scenario A: at 10$ (30 shares) in March 2023

Scenario B: at 15$ (20 shares) in April 2023


Assumptions:

- I have chosen exactly the right stock, it will rise to 200$ in 20 years.

- I find a good exit (because even holding for the long term means selling at some point, it would be stupid to do this at a bad time. Dividends excluded)


Result:

Scenario A: buying 30 shares results in a profit of 5700$.

Scenario B: buying 20 shares results in a profit of 3800$


Core statement

Stock picking completely without timing is inefficient and the risk is much higher than the possible reward.


  • With the right stocks it leads to extreme long term return losses
  • With the wrong stocks it leads to extreme yield losses


So: Doesn't buying stocks as a private investor who neither has insider information of a company nor wants to time the purchase make no sense at all?


& Connected to that: If so, then why do so many investors buy any individual stocks while demonizing anything that comes close to timing?




Disclaimer

I don't claim to be the timing god by now, nor that I can do it better than anyone here, nor that it's easy. Logically it is not easy, then everybody would do it.


But shouldn't interest in it be the basis for individual stock purchases?

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But: The time which you may (!) Need to find the "perfect" time to buy, works against the yield and you forget in your argument. All this is also under the condition that you also find this perfect entry! So you wait exaggeratedly said 2 years for the entry where the one who did not care was already long in, and do not participate in possible price gains / dividends.
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Well, I'm not a fan of buying shares in a company at any price just because you absolutely want to own them now and are impatient. I also don't believe in blindly sticking to your savings plan, no matter where the price is at the moment. Anyone can look at the valuation. It really doesn't have to be the perfect purchase price, but everyone should at least consider a zone in which they buy or save via a plan. Over the years, that makes an enormous difference.
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Seen with the fomobrille any price does not matter as long as it ends up in the depot 😅. I find the right time to sell much more difficult to find.
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I think for private investors a simple watchlist principle should be sufficient. I collect companies that I find super for most industries together and then wait for a crisis in the company or the industry and buy from 20-30% correction from the ATH in tranches. Or of course you do TA and buy for example according to the premium discount principle or similar techniques. But honestly if people who are neither fundamental analysis gods or TA specialists have 50+ shares in the portfolio is the positive return either luck or they fly sometime hard on the muzzle. :)
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Finally someone says it. These stupid phrases that are propagated everywhere are simply counterproductive.
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I think there are a few basics you should be able to do so you don't buy completely at the wrong time.
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I would argue that timing the market right beats time in the right market. The problem is to get the timing right in the long term. Hardly anyone can do that. Therefore, capitulation to one's own inability and saying. That's just the way it is. Be happy, because it can only work if there are enough market participants who do not believe in market timing.
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Of course it makes sense to try to catch the best market moment. But it is not possible to identify the best time, or to try it at all is connected with an additional effort that most people do not want to have (simply buy and hold). In the end you might have less return (which is not necessarily the case) but also less effort.
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By TA, do you really mean primarily chart analysis, i.e. the price trend? Or also the fundamental data? For me, those are two different things. To clarify: In the long term, I prefer to buy the stock with a small P/E ratio, etc., but whose price looks like crap right now, than the stock with a picture-book chart but a 50 P/E ratio. Hope you understand what I mean...
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That's true somewhere. For example, I wouldn't add oil shares to my portfolio at the moment. I bought oil shares back when they were disreputable in Corona times.

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