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Crypto: Not your keys, not your coins - or why I'm not financially independent yet.


In 2011, I had a brilliant idea: buy some Bitcoin for 10-30 USD per coin and then sell them in staggered amounts. The first at 50 USD, the last at a megalomaniac 1,000,000 USD. Unfortunately, the plan didn't work out. However, not because I sold too early or Bitcoin did not reach the 1,000,000 USD (so far), but because I was a customer at the then largest crypto exchange Mt.Gox, stored my coins there and lost them completely due to the hack / theft in 2013.


A short time later, I got back on. This time with an exchange called btc-e. What can I say, the exchange was shut down by US authorities for money laundering (presumably related to the theft at Mt.Gox 😳). Of course, this time my coins were also at btc-e and disappeared from the network together with the website.


I had to learn very painfully that you only own your cryptos if you are in possession of your private keys and protect them from third party access. With crypto you are your own bank and accordingly you are responsible for your investments. That's why since my 'third entry' into the crypto world, my coins are stored on a hardware wallet and no longer in large quantities on crypto exchanges.


Where do you store your coins? Do you use hardware wallets, do you rely on alternatives like paper wallets, desktop wallets or mobile wallets or do you still store your cryptos in crypto exchanges 😱?


Many thanks to @DieFinanzchaotin for the inspiration for this post 🙂


#krypto
#verlust
#bitcoin
#mtgox
#esel

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Great post 😊... I actually have only a minimal amount in ETH and that actually without a key at Trade Republic 😅. Since it is only 50 euros and was a trial, but fortunately that is not so bad with me.
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@DieFinanzchaotin Small amounts I also still hold on crypto exchanges. But at the latest from a value of > 1000 euros you should definitely think about an alternative 🙂
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@DieFinanzchaotin That's how it is with me too 👍
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Thanks for your valuable experience report. So are Coinbase, Bison etc. also crypto exchanges and thus not safe like Mt.Cox etc.? The one with blockchain, hardware for mining etc. was too complicated and too hot for me to keep my hands off and instead invested in share Bitcoin Group SE on suggestion of a buddy in 2017, which I sold a few years later with 54.84% loss. The price always went only in this direction ↘️ & rarely to ⬆️ since my entry. Fortunately, the amount was less than 600. Since then, cryptocurrencies are definitely excluded with me. However, I was never convinced of the business model before entering.
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@TheDividendCollector Yes, Bison and Coinbase are also crypto exchanges but much more regulated than Mt. Gox back then or Binance today and therefore also 'safer'. I would trust these two more. Nevertheless, there is always a risk, which is why I would always recommend to pull the coins from the exchanges if they exceed a certain amount. Through my loss, I learned the meaning of 'only invest in things you understand'. At the time, I didn't understand cryptos. I saw cryptos and blockchain as an object of speculation and not as a way to decentralize central institutions such as banks, notaries or even companies and make them more efficient. Put simply, banks are to become superfluous with Bitcoin. And what do I do? I entrust my coins to a kind of bank that manages my cryptos for me 🤔😅😱. Therefore: Not your keys, not your coins 😉
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Tough lesson you paid there. Luckily there are people like you who share their story and their loss. That's why I have my cryptocurrencies on a hardware wallet (Bitbox02). Sure, you have to learn the technology a bit, but it's worth the effort.
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@FirstPancake doesn't it eat up a lot of electricity?
@TheDividendCollector I have not noticed anything
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@TheDividendCollector A hardware wallet does not consume any significant power. It is basically used to generate and store your private key in a safe place. You plug it into your laptop like a USB stick, make a few entries, send your coins and you're done. After that, you can store the wallet for years in a place of your choice without power supply.
@TheDividendCollector exactly, whether the bitbox now in the 10 min draws more current than eg the Ledger I do not know, but I personally do not care.
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Moved my cryptos to a ledger in the meantime. The horror stories like yours @DonkeyInvestor have convinced me quite quickly ;)
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@RegularJohn Ledger was also my wallet of choice. But here too, not everything went smoothly for me. One of my coins was no longer supported by Ledger (HCash). There was a transition period of a few months, but I did not notice anything. The coins were then all gone (fortunately only a few euros). Then came the leak / hack, with which all customer data of Ledger buyers ended up on the net - including address data. I have since fortunately moved, but is still very annoying. Am curious what happens in the future so with my crypto investments 😅
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@DonkeyInvestor Shouldn't you be able to recover the coin in another wallet?
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@Europoor No chance to get the private key. At least statement according to support
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@DonkeyInvestor Hm that is stupid. I would have thought that you can still extract the coin. :(
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The hardware wallet from BitBox is very empfehlen💪🏼
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Just discovered this older post of yours and I remembered that I recently read that the Mt. Gox incident has now been legally processed and concluded and that payouts to customers are being made.

Maybe you are a cash cow after all? I wish you were. <3

https://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/mt-gox-warum-opfer-der-insolventen-krypto-boerse-mit-einem-geldregen-rechnen-koennen-a-0840afa3-5c1a-4805-a227-3a01ac7632d6
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@Ash Those who opted for the Early Lump Sum package have been compensated for the most part. But not all of them. However, compensation in this case means that only a fraction of the original balance has been refunded. But better than nothing
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@leveragegrinding I've been playing with the idea of getting into Cosmos for a while now. May I ask why you chose Cosmos and not, for example, Harmony or Quant?
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@leveragegrinding Thank you. In the spirit of DYOR, I'm going to look into Cosmos a bit more 🙂 .
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@meta da gräbt er einfach alte kamellen aus 🤷‍♂️
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